Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

CunningLinguist · Post #281 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:12 am

wanker wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:[
Although I didn't see this particular game, I was impressed with Vucevic when I saw him earlier in the season and I'm surprised he hasn't generated more buzz. I think he has the size to play centre, too.

Yeah, just like Andrea Bargnani.

Have you actually seen him play or are you, as I suspect, just making an assinine comment based on his European name? He's a very good rebounder with good post defence.

CunningLinguist · Post #282 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:14 am

Youngblood wrote:
rise of raptors wrote:I think the workouts would reveal a lot about Kanter's mobility. He's definitely someone to consider with our pick.

If he's willing to play Centre I'd be all for it. A lot of people have the misconception that Raptor fans are completely turned off from international talent because of Colangelo's fetish with them. Well, the fact is, if they were hard nosed talented Euro players like Garbo, or Scola or Divac we'd be on board. I'd have an entire team full of them if we could win that way. But when you draft guys like Bargnani or pick up free agents like Turkoglu, and trade for the Belinelli's of the world it skews our fans view of international talent.

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.

Silk Wilkes · Post #283 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:26 am

CunningLinguist wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
rise of raptors wrote:I think the workouts would reveal a lot about Kanter's mobility. He's definitely someone to consider with our pick.

If he's willing to play Centre I'd be all for it. A lot of people have the misconception that Raptor fans are completely turned off from international talent because of Colangelo's fetish with them. Well, the fact is, if they were hard nosed talented Euro players like Garbo, or Scola or Divac we'd be on board. I'd have an entire team full of them if we could win that way. But when you draft guys like Bargnani or pick up free agents like Turkoglu, and trade for the Belinelli's of the world it skews our fans view of international talent.

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.

You just keep putting your foot in your mouth. Watch him play first, then watch an NBA game. Have you ever seen Perkins play? He doesn't play above the rim. Now, am I comparing him to Perkins overall? Only in the fact that neither of them play above the rim.

WhatsaTDot · Post #284 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:36 am

You have the most bizarre way of constructing an argument.

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fredericklove · Post #285 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:04 am

HB is killing it!! 19 points already!!!!!!

DreamTeam09 · Post #286 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:43 am

fredericklove wrote:HB is killing it!! 19 points already!!!!!!

Howcome I don't see it on atdhe??

rise of raptors · Post #287 » by **rise of raptors** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:44 am

CunningLinguist wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
rise of raptors wrote:I think the workouts would reveal a lot about Kanter's mobility. He's definitely someone to consider with our pick.

If he's willing to play Centre I'd be all for it. A lot of people have the misconception that Raptor fans are completely turned off from international talent because of Colangelo's fetish with them. Well, the fact is, if they were hard nosed talented Euro players like Garbo, or Scola or Divac we'd be on board. I'd have an entire team full of them if we could win that way. But when you draft guys like Bargnani or pick up free agents like Turkoglu, and trade for the Belinelli's of the world it skews our fans view of international talent.

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.

You don't need to be a shotblocking force in order to be considered a good defensive player. Kanter seems like a prospect that could grow into a legit low post threat, and that's something this team could use.

Youngblood - No doubt many Raps fans do not have an international bias. I would love to see a Kanter/Ed (or Amir) front-line and have Bargs traded. That would give a big boost to our defensive woes.

fredericklove · Post #288 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:59 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:HB is killing it!! 19 points already!!!!!!

Howcome I don't see it on atdhe??

It wasn't there but it showed on JustinTV.

JamesNaismith · Post #289 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:24 am

I can't wait for Barnes to be a Raptor!

So many people are going to be eating crow.

Gold Dragon · Post #290 » by **Gold Dragon** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:05 am

I'm optimistic about HB long term and have him behind KI and TJ on my draft board for the Raptors.

But today's line of 21 pts on 9-23 shooting 3-10 from three-pt land and 0 FT attempts is not encouraging. I want to see him finish strong so that he will actually declare this year but this is not a good day for him.

CunningLinguist · Post #291 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:43 pm

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.[/quote]

You just keep putting your foot in your mouth. Watch him play first, then watch an NBA game. Have you ever seen Perkins play? He doesn't play above the rim. Now, am I comparing him to Perkins overall? Only in the fact that neither of them play above the rim.[/quote]

I have seen Kanter play in the Nike Hoops Summit, and yourself? He's a very good low post scorer, but he's not a shotblocker. I would compare his game to Al Jefferson. Do you want Al Jefferson to be the centre on this team?

CunningLinguist · Post #292 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:49 pm

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.[/quote]

You don't need to be a shotblocking force in order to be considered a good defensive player. Kanter seems like a prospect that could grow into a legit low post threat, and that's something this team could use.

Youngblood - No doubt many Raps fans do not have an international bias. I would love to see a Kanter/Ed (or Amir) front-line and have Bargs traded. That would give a big boost to our defensive woes.[/quote]

I couldn't care less if Kanter came from Mars. That has no bearing on my opinion. I'm not one of those anti-Euro whackjobs. I'm basing it on actually watching him play in the Nike Hoops Summit. He is a very good low post scorer, but he is not a shotblocker. I'd' compare him to Al Jefferson. Do you want Al Jefferson playing centre for the Raps? Would that improve our defense?

May I ask what you're basing your opinion of Kanter on?

Indeed · Post #293 » by **Indeed** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:12 pm

rise of raptors wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
If he's willing to play Centre I'd be all for it. A lot of people have the misconception that Raptor fans are completely turned off from international talent because of Colangelo's fetish with them. Well, the fact is, if they were hard nosed talented Euro players like Garbo, or Scola or Divac we'd be on board. I'd have an entire team full of them if we could win that way. But when you draft guys like Bargnani or pick up free agents like Turkoglu, and trade for the Belinelli's of the world it skews our fans view of international talent.

Even if he's willing to play centre, that doesn't automatically turn him into a shotblocking defensive force. He's a below-the-rim type of player.

You don't need to be a shotblocking force in order to be considered a good defensive player. Kanter seems like a prospect that could grow into a legit low post threat, and that's something this team could use.

Youngblood - No doubt many Raps fans do not have an international bias. I would love to see a Kanter/Ed (or Amir) front-line and have Bargs traded. That would give a big boost to our defensive woes.

The problem with us is, we can't contain perimeter players, so a shot-blocker is needed to cover Jose or DeRozan when they got blow by. Bargnani doesn't need another good defensive player to play beside him, but a good help defender to hide his weak help defense.

I like Kanter, but he couldn't be a great help for this team.

rise of raptors · Post #294 » by **rise of raptors** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:17 pm

Indeed wrote:The problem with us is, we can't contain perimeter players, so a shot-blocker is needed to cover Jose or DeRozan when they got blow by. Bargnani doesn't need another good defensive player to play beside him, but a good help defender to hide his weak help defense.

I like Kanter, but he couldn't be a great help for this team.

That is why I wrote before that my hope is to have a Kanter/Ed Davis or Kanter/Amir front-court. Also, I never said that Kanter would be the answer to all our defensive problems, we would certainly need defense on the perimeter as well.

rise of raptors · Post #295 » by **rise of raptors** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:24 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:I couldn't care less if Kanter came from Mars. That has no bearing on my opinion. I'm not one of those anti-Euro whackjobs. I'm basing it on actually watching him play in the Nike Hoops Summit. He is a very good low post scorer, but he is not a shotblocker. I'd' compare him to Al Jefferson. Do you want Al Jefferson playing centre for the Raps? Would that improve our defense?

May I ask what you're basing your opinion of Kanter on?

I watched the same game you did. Kanter may not be a shotblocker, but he's a big that can be a physical presence and have the ability to alter shots as well as contest for boards. Combine him with a good help defender in Ed Davis, then we may have a very solid front-court that provides offense and defense in the future.

McFurious1 · Post #296 » by **McFurious1** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:29 pm

fredericklove wrote:HB is killing it!! 19 points already!!!!!!

This is coming from a Bargs hater "who can only score". :lol:

McFurious1 · Post #297 » by **McFurious1** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:32 pm

Indeed wrote:
The problem with us is, we can't contain perimeter players, so a shot-blocker is needed to cover Jose or DeRozan when they got blow by. Bargnani doesn't need another good defensive player to play beside him, but a good help defender to hide his weak help defense.

I like Kanter, but he couldn't be a great help for this team.

I think I rather take a flyer on Jonas Valanciunas you get the size, shot blocking, scoring and FT shooting.

Reignman · Post #298 » by **Reignman** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:23 pm

McFurious1 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:HB is killing it!! 19 points already!!!!!!

This is coming from a Bargs hater "who can only score".

Why make comments when you don't know what you're talking about?

Barnes is a good defender and excellent rebounder, he's much more than just a scorer. If anything, he needs to find more consistency in his scoring.

McFurious1 · Post #299 » by **McFurious1** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:15 pm

Reignman wrote:Barnes is a good defender and excellent rebounder, he's much more than just a scorer. If anything, he needs to find more consistency in his scoring.

The comment is directed towards the post learn how to read.

Kevin Willis · Post #300 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:26 pm

Kanter is the best option for a big body center who can rebound at our draft position. If someone can find me someone else I would like to know. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PF. And we're good at SG. And Irving is the only worthy PG where we pick but will be gone. Kanter or good SFs.