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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

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Re: Harrison Barnes? 

Post#521 » by fredericklove » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:09 am

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Rude Boy 1 wrote:Hilarious... I just question if you guys watch the game or just focus on mixtapes.


I think we should ask you that question because you seem to have only followed Barnes in Nov and Dec.

I asked you in the other thread but I'll ask you here as well. Who do you have ahead of Barnes and why? Outside of Irving I can find major flaws in every prospect.


I LOL when I saw him writing that, where was he when all of us were UNC games play-by-play posting in this thread? It's so HILARIOUS that he sarcastically saying we're making conclusions based on MIXTAPES. Buddy, we're in the draft thread PART 3(!).......Part 1 and 2 were endless talks about barnes' performances from Nov to Dec to Jan. So don't make us laugh man.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#522 » by Rapture » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:52 am

Reignman wrote:T Jones seems like a good all-around player but his ceiling seems fairly low when compared to Barnes or P Jones.


Have you really seen T Jones play? I admit that I've only seen a couple of games from both of them but to me me T Jones has looked like a NBA player among college players. He does everything except shooting better than Barnes. And I think his athleticism is better too. He's an all-around guy with good handles and post game plus he's a great rebounder and plays defense. I really don't understand how you can say that his ceiling is low. I think that his ceiling is extremely high but whether he reaches it or not is a different question. I have no idea about T Jones' work ethic or off court personality so I'll give HB advantage there. I understand that people want long range shooting ability from our SF because DeRozan doesn't have it yet but at the moment we really need the BPA. I wouldn't take HB over T Jones from what I've seen but hopefully both play good tournaments and give us more options on draft night.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#523 » by SkywalkerAC » Fri Mar 4, 2011 2:52 pm

i agree that T-Jones seems to be a more fluid basketball athlete than Barnes, irrespective of shooting form. great frame, good bounce, good power, looks good moving with the ball.

coming out with one of these two sets us up pretty nicely at SF. granted all our wings find a 3-ball shot during the lockout.
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Re: Harrison Barnes? 

Post#524 » by Rude Boy 1 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 4:51 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Reignman wrote:
Rude Boy 1 wrote:Hilarious... I just question if you guys watch the game or just focus on mixtapes.


I think we should ask you that question because you seem to have only followed Barnes in Nov and Dec.

I asked you in the other thread but I'll ask you here as well. Who do you have ahead of Barnes and why? Outside of Irving I can find major flaws in every prospect.


I LOL when I saw him writing that, where was he when all of us were UNC games play-by-play posting in this thread? It's so HILARIOUS that he sarcastically saying we're making conclusions based on MIXTAPES. Buddy, we're in the draft thread PART 3(!).......Part 1 and 2 were endless talks about barnes' performances from Nov to Dec to Jan. So don't make us laugh man.


Man you kids are so sensitive... What makes you think that comment was geared to you? I think we've had more than a few exchanges in all the thread 1,2 and 3. I know you watch the games just question what you're seeing.

The kid looks average for 4 games and good in one and you guys are all over his nuts again. This is going to be a slow rebuild and we can't afford to be wrong about our players. Harrison Barnes minus the hype machine has looked like college basketball player no.432821. Anyone that denies that is living in a dreamworld, the Barnes fanboys keep sighting how great he's been recently and how since January he's been much better, here are his numbers from January till now. 43%FG 33%3pt 5.5rebs those numbers don't scream top 5 pick to me do they to you?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#525 » by Kaizen » Fri Mar 4, 2011 6:53 pm

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... id=6181077

The end of the college basketball regular season is upon us, and virtually all NBA scouts and executives in the league are flocking to Chapel Hill, N.C., on Saturday to watch the Duke Blue Devils take on the North Carolina Tar Heels.

Three players have drawn rave reviews from scouts: Nolan Smith, John Henson and Tyler Zeller. Smith has been mentioned as a possible player of the year candidate, Henson continues to be one of the best rebounders and shot-blockers in college basketball and Zeller has dramatically improved his stock to the point that scouts are now referring to him as a first-round lock.
Harrison Barnes

Barnes was disappointing in the first game for the Tar Heels, scoring 9 points, grabbing 6 boards and going 3-for-8 from the field. He hit his first 3-pointer of the game and made a few other terrific plays, but for much of the game he wasn't involved, and at the end, he forced up some bad shots. His defense was terrific, but he didn't really impress scouts.

Since then, Barnes has had his strong moments and not-so-strong moments. He hit the winning 3-pointer against Florida State on Wednesday night but has had some poor shooting performances against Boston College, North Carolina State and Maryland. Barnes clearly hasn't lived up to the preseason hype, but more NBA scouts and executives seem to feel that he's come around.

"When you watch him, really watch him close, I think you gain a major appreciation for his game," one veteran NBA executive said. "He hasn't wowed us the way we expected him to, but his maturity level, his skill set and his overall feel for the game are outstanding. He's better than his box score shows, and I think he's going to go much higher than most people expect him to on draft night. If he has a big game against Duke and in the [subsequent ACC and NCAA] tournaments, he could still go No. 1."
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#526 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:02 pm

UNC is a very good team eyy. That Marshall kid should be real amazing when hes ready. A lefty pg whos actually good with a BBIQ, thats live. Henson & Zeller are both good prospects too. Throw in Barnes, and thats a pretty good team.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#527 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:58 pm

Barnes has a great understanding of the game - I think if we get a guy like Messina, Barnes would shine because of his understanding of spacing, ball screens, where to go with the ball, etc. His only issue is shot selection, but that could be mitigated by Messina's micromanagement of his players.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#528 » by TheDunc » Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:01 pm

I wouldnt mind barnes being our pick but i really doubt he declares this year so it doesnt really matter.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#529 » by TheRealDeal » Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:21 pm

Klay Thompson arrested for suspicion of marijuana possession.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/pac-10-leading-scorer-klay-thompson-suspended-after-marijuana-arrest.html

if he declares and falls because of this it'd be smart to buy a pick and steal him late in the draft.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#530 » by Wo1verine » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:17 pm

^He's not a BC type player.. He only likes Angels
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#531 » by sunny » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:44 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Klay Thompson arrested for suspicion of marijuana possession.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/pac-10-leading-scorer-klay-thompson-suspended-after-marijuana-arrest.html

if he declares and falls because of this it'd be smart to buy a pick and steal him late in the draft.


please dont be suspended for tomorrow. I want you to beat UCLA!
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#532 » by sunny » Fri Mar 4, 2011 10:45 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:UNC is a very good team eyy. That Marshall kid should be real amazing when hes ready. A lefty pg whos actually good with a BBIQ, thats live. Henson & Zeller are both good prospects too. Throw in Barnes, and thats a pretty good team.


I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone say that UNC is good.

They have one of the most talented teams in ncaab (like they did last year), but simply cant produce like they should - or get it together.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#533 » by JN » Sat Mar 5, 2011 12:26 am

UNC is a good team. The ACC is way, way down, but you still have to be a legit top 25 team to go 13-3 in that conference. And if they beat Duke they are 14-2, and probably looking at a 3 seed.

Their KenPom ranking is 11 which is very good.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#534 » by baulderdash77 » Sat Mar 5, 2011 1:19 pm

I love watching UNC play this year because of all the talent but they leave you wanting somtimes.

However there are times when Barnes, Henson and now Marshall are such a dominant 3 headed monster.

Seriously if Henson was 20 pounds heavier I would be all over him because of the way that he's everwhere. A frontcourt of Henson/Amir/Davis with Johnson as the SF would just give teams fits all the time.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#535 » by CunningLinguist » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:32 pm

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Reignman wrote:T Jones seems like a good all-around player but his ceiling seems fairly low when compared to Barnes or P Jones.


Have you really seen T Jones play? I admit that I've only seen a couple of games from both of them but to me me T Jones has looked like a NBA player among college players. He does everything except shooting better than Barnes. And I think his athleticism is better too. He's an all-around guy with good handles and post game plus he's a great rebounder and plays defense. I really don't understand how you can say that his ceiling is low. I think that his ceiling is extremely high but whether he reaches it or not is a different question. I have no idea about T Jones' work ethic or off court personality so I'll give HB advantage there. I understand that people want long range shooting ability from our SF because DeRozan doesn't have it yet but at the moment we really need the BPA. I wouldn't take HB over T Jones from what I've seen but hopefully both play good tournaments and give us more options on draft night.


I fully agree with this. TJones has great shotblocking skills too. He's really improved going to his right hand over the course of the season as well. It's not that I don't see Barnes' potential. It's just that I want to see him take guys off the dribble and take it all the way to the rim. Most of his scoring comes from step back moves or stand still jumpshots. I think TJones can positively impact a game without scoring a point, but I don't think Barnes has quite the same ability.

To summarize:

- better ballhandler
- better passer
- better shotblocker
- better rebounder
- more explosive athletically
- more aggressive
- appears to have better size/length

I give Barnes the edge in regard to form on his jumpshot and perhaps lateral quicks on defense.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#536 » by 5DOM » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:34 pm

Honestly think Zeller stands out more often than Barnes.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#537 » by CunningLinguist » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:37 pm

sunny wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:UNC is a very good team eyy. That Marshall kid should be real amazing when hes ready. A lefty pg whos actually good with a BBIQ, thats live. Henson & Zeller are both good prospects too. Throw in Barnes, and thats a pretty good team.


I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone say that UNC is good.

They have one of the most talented teams in ncaab (like they did last year), but simply cant produce like they should - or get it together.


They've improved a lot over the course of the season due to improved guard play. They were horrid in the early going.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#538 » by sunny » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:55 pm

I view them as a top 20-25 team (their additional ranking is IMO largely due to the fact that they play on the east coast - are unc - and beat kentucky at home as there only good win).

It's just they have the talent (and had last year) to be truly elite.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#539 » by CunningLinguist » Sat Mar 5, 2011 4:13 pm

sunny wrote:I view them as a top 20-25 team (their additional ranking is IMO largely due to the fact that they play on the east coast - are unc - and beat kentucky at home as there only good win).

It's just they have the talent (and had last year) to be truly elite.


I agree. On the subject of really good teams, I am the only person that's not all that impressed with Ohio State's strength of schedule. The only good teams they've really beaten are Florida and Purdue. The game against Florida was early in the year before the Gators got their game together and Purdue split games with Ohio State. Their record would be much different in the Big East.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#540 » by Kaizen » Sat Mar 5, 2011 4:29 pm

It is completely false to say they are only ranked high because of who they are. Quit crying so much about East Coast bias. I can not take you seriously when you are a perfect example of a West Coast bias.

Teams on the West coast only had 2 teams in the Sweet 16 the last two years and all 4 lost there. The reason why nobody respects the West Coast teams is because they do not deserve respect. UCLA was the last team from the West coast to even make the Elite 8 though they did make the final 4 in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_ ... Tournament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NCAA_ ... Tournament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_ ... Tournament

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