C'mon Corbin...it's time

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Re: C'mon Corbin...it's time 

Post#21 » by retiredcoach » Sat Mar 5, 2011 8:55 pm

Corbin went to see Evans' game in the D-league, that's pretty awesome IMO. Evans did pretty well. 10 pts 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, and a steal in 34 minutes.


I agree that was a first rate move on Corbin's part, but I think he's also looking for a 3rd point guard. The Jazz may be playing with only one tonight against the kings. At this point in the season a team can't afford to have only 2 pg's.

If Evans can put on 30 to 40 pounds, which is doubtful, he can be a good NBA bench guy. If he can't his minutes will be very limited if at all, and probably not with the Jazz. If only nice counted!
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Re: C'mon Corbin...it's time 

Post#22 » by carrottop12 » Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:32 pm

retiredcoach wrote:If Evans can put on 30 to 40 pounds, which is doubtful, he can be a good NBA bench guy. If he can't his minutes will be very limited if at all, and probably not with the Jazz. If only nice counted!


LOL, 30-40 lbs. Nobody adds that kind of weight, ever. He doesn't have anywhere near the body shape to add that kind of weight. He may add 20 lbs, but that would be a ton.

And I do think he has a place on the Jazz. he's got more skills than he's given credit for, and he's shown that when he gets minutes he can do things to help the team. I bet he plays a bigger role next year, if you look at the time we've given CJ to develop, why not give Evans the same treatment.
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Re: C'mon Corbin...it's time 

Post#23 » by ColdBlue » Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:35 pm

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retiredcoach wrote:If Evans can put on 30 to 40 pounds, which is doubtful, he can be a good NBA bench guy. If he can't his minutes will be very limited if at all, and probably not with the Jazz. If only nice counted!


LOL, 30-40 lbs. Nobody adds that kind of weight, ever. He doesn't have anywhere near the body shape to add that kind of weight. He may add 20 lbs, but that would be a ton.

And I do think he has a place on the Jazz. he's got more skills than he's given credit for, and he's shown that when he gets minutes he can do things to help the team. I bet he plays a bigger role next year, if you look at the time we've given CJ to develop, why not give Evans the same treatment.


Actually if somebody can gain 30 lbs in the offseason it would be someone as skinny as Evans.
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Post#24 » by retiredcoach » Sun Mar 6, 2011 12:48 am

LOL, 30-40 lbs. Nobody adds that kind of weight, ever. He doesn't have anywhere near the body shape to add that kind of weight. He may add 20 lbs, but that would be a ton.

And I do think he has a place on the Jazz. he's got more skills than he's given credit for, and he's shown that when he gets minutes he can do things to help the team. I bet he plays a bigger role next year, if you look at the time we've given CJ to develop, why not give Evans the same treatment.


Exactly my point. He can't put on that much weight. His frame is much to small and light. It's one thing to gain weight. It's another to add the muscle. I've posted about this before.

Without the weight (muscle) he's going to have a hard time sticking in the NBA. In two years, my best guess is he won't be with the Jazz any longer. His skill set isn't the issue. It's going to be his ability to execute his skill set without getting pushed all over the floor. He can contribute for a few minutes a game before the defense gets on him too hard.

Several times this year he's been taken right out of the game. I like Evans. It's unfortunate he doesn't have a body that better matches his position, his determination and his character.
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Post#25 » by Soul Patch » Sun Mar 6, 2011 4:18 am

Does anyone think he can be turned into a three? His form on his jumpshot seems good and he's quick enough to guard other threes, at least to my eyes. If he can make it as a small forward that can play PF I think he'll stay with the Jazz. If he's an undersized PF I think he's trade bait.
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Post#26 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 5:14 am

He'll have to learn to be a 3 if he wants to see the court.
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Post#27 » by The59Sound » Sun Mar 6, 2011 5:58 am

Soul Patch wrote:Does anyone think he can be turned into a three? His form on his jumpshot seems good and he's quick enough to guard other threes, at least to my eyes. If he can make it as a small forward that can play PF I think he'll stay with the Jazz. If he's an undersized PF I think he's trade bait.


Yeah, I don't understand why more people aren't thinking this; I've just been assuming this would happen, and was surprised to never see Jerry or Ty explore this.
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Post#28 » by retiredcoach » Sun Mar 6, 2011 6:30 pm

I guess I'm not understanding the talk about turning Evans into an SF. He's always been an SF.

At Western Kentucky Evans weighed the same as the guards. WK didn't have any really good big men but they did have some bigs that could fill up the paint.

Even in college Evans only played about 20 minutes a game--about half.

If he adds 20 lbs, he'll be able to play SF and stay on the floor longer. It would take 40 pounds of muscle to be play the PF. I don't see that happening.

In the end, no matter how much a coach might like a player, the objective is to win and the coach will go with the players that make that happen. With the draft coming up and potentially two 1 st round lottery picks and the two first rounds picks in 12 if they aren't traded, there's going to be a lot of competition for spots on the bench.
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Post#29 » by Joel Embust » Sun Mar 6, 2011 11:46 pm

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I don't think the fans are going to have a problem with seeing Favors and Hayward get 30+ minutes a night, at least it would make for an exciting game......



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Post#30 » by The59Sound » Mon Mar 7, 2011 2:26 am

retiredcoach wrote:I guess I'm not understanding the talk about turning Evans into an SF. He's always been an SF.


I think the talk comes out of the fact that he's played PF for the Jazz, and the Jazz have identified him as being a PF.
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Post#31 » by kamazilla » Mon Mar 7, 2011 8:02 pm

Did anyone see Corbin's interview with David James last night? James asked some good questions regarding Ty's seeming reticence to give the rooks extended playing time and his philosophy about substitution patterns. He answered that he played Hayward and Favors situationally as determined by match-ups, while Bell and Elson provided a veteran presence in crunch-time situations.

Although this idea worked against Sacramento, I fail to see Bell as being a better option than Hayward in any scenario. I believe playing the rook now pays in the short term with more wins and pays future dividends with faster player development. Regarding Favors, there is no doubt he will make mistakes, but is he not now the future of the franchise? Give him the playing time to develop and grow into his future responsibility.

Corbin's comments in the interview led me to believe he too must grow into his current position, because right now he is just as rigid as Sloan was. What's more, he seems to be coaching not to lose; he is coaching scared.
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Re: C'mon Corbin...it's time 

Post#32 » by retiredcoach » Mon Mar 7, 2011 8:22 pm

Post by kamazilla on Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:02 pm
Did anyone see Corbin's interview with David James last night? James asked some good questions regarding Ty's seeming reticence to give the rooks extended playing time and his philosophy about substitution patterns. He answered that he played Hayward and Favors situationally as determined by match-ups, while Bell and Elson provided a veteran presence in crunch-time situations.


I watched it and had the same impression. I thought he gave canned responses to the rookie questions.

Basically, he needs wins and he knows he won't get criticized for playing veterans. If a rookie screws up a game, Corbin will get toasted in the media and on the net.

Coaches don't like rookie's to get too much attention. This season whenever Hayward or Evans got some good press and interviews after playing well, Sloan made sure he put them back in their place right afterwards. It looks like Corbin is doing the same thing sometimes.

When rookie's get attention, it bothers the vets--sometimes a lot. I've mentioned that Millsap is very reluctant to pass the ball to Hayward, especially when he's in scoring position. The Jazz don't have any scoring plays set up for Hayward. He has to create his own openings. That's tough to do when your teammates aren't looking for you to score.

I know Corbin wants Hayward to score more, but I'm not sure if he's talked to Hayward about that. There are a few other people that he needs to have a conversation with also, but he's too overwhelmed right now to go there. I also know the rookie ref thing bothers Corbin and he is concerned about it at the end of games.

The match-up thing was bogus, However, on this road trip, Corbin might not have a choice.
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Re: C'mon Corbin...it's time 

Post#33 » by Reckless » Tue Mar 8, 2011 1:41 am

at what point do we see the fire corbin signatures?

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