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Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers

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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#261 » by dyukcs » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:15 am

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dyukcs wrote:The hardest part about this game was trying to watch a line-up with Barea and Cardinal but no Marion try to make a comback, then a line-up with Cardinal and no Dirk trying to make a comeback. Until we finally have Marion-Dirk and and we make the comeback.

Carlisle really needs to tweak this rotation. It's hurt us in all of the last 5 games, we can pull it off against the Timberwolves but not the Lakers.


Rick should have played Mahinmi instead of Cardinal for his inside game. But he likes Cardinal because he does things like foul players really hard like Matt Barnes. Did you see Cardinal's line?

3 points, 0 rebounds, 1 block, and 3 fouls in 16 minutes.


Mahimni's been garbage lately, or pretty much every time he's played against a decent center. I wanted to give him a shot at PF early in the season, but it would've had to have happened a long time ago. I'd rather play Peja at PF at this point.

I thought Brewer played pretty well, he wasn't locking down on defense or anything, but he was definitely making good things happen. And going 1/2 on 3s was fine. It's frustrating that Carlisle went with the guy who wouldn't f*ck up, but he f*cked up anyway, and stayed in the game. But Cardinal isn't what lost us the game.

If Barea and Roddy didn't go out there and take dumps on the court, we'd have done much better.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#262 » by Mavs2theFinals » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:15 am

I'm still surprised that as bad as we played we had a shot to win it at the end somehow
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#263 » by dyukcs » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:18 am

Mavs2theFinals wrote:I'm still surprised that as bad as we played we had a shot to win it at the end somehow


The defense was really good except for on Bynum, if we played Haywood 10 more minutes it could've been huge. Chandler defense on Gasol was excellent though.

You impose your will on offense, but if you can't do that you try to match-up on defense. Since neither of our centers can really score, the center rotation should be tailored for whatever the opponent puts on the floor. I THINK that'll happen in the play offs, but you never know with Carlisle.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#264 » by Teffer10 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:32 am

sweet daddy wrote:This team is just so ... beatable.

In 30 years I've never seen a Mavericks team that I really believed was capable of winning a championship, and I don't think this one can, either. Whatever it is that makes a team a champion, this one doesn't have it. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do. :roll:

I've got the same feeling...the Lakers just look far superior to me.
Marion is terrific but he can't make up for both Terry's and Dirk's deficiencies on defense.
I'd say Butler would make a difference but Carlisle would never play Marion and Butler together as long as Terry and Kidd are on the team.
Although it's possible to get past the Lakers, it isn't probable imo.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#265 » by ahonui06 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:55 am

Teffer10 wrote:
sweet daddy wrote:This team is just so ... beatable.

In 30 years I've never seen a Mavericks team that I really believed was capable of winning a championship, and I don't think this one can, either. Whatever it is that makes a team a champion, this one doesn't have it. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do. :roll:

I've got the same feeling...the Lakers just look far superior to me.
Marion is terrific but he can't make up for both Terry's and Dirk's deficiencies on defense.
I'd say Butler would make a difference but Carlisle would never play Marion and Butler together as long as Terry and Kidd are on the team.
Although it's possible to get past the Lakers, it isn't probable imo.


DIRK's defense wasn't an issue tonight.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#266 » by ahonui06 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:59 am

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4675315/jet-couldnt-believe-that-one-rolled-out

Jet breaks my balls.

RC should always run the DIRK FT line - high post iso at the end of games. Not back screens for Jet to shoot a floater over giants.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#267 » by JES12 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:17 am

One thing to concider for those saying "as bad as we played...we still had a chance to win"....

We held Kobe to 6/20 shooting. That is 30%. I know Marion plays great D on Kobe; just about as well as anyone in this league could, but let's not fool ourselves and assume Kobe is going to shoot 30%, 2 turnovers and a -2 on the +/- every time we play when evaluating our own guys playing horrible.

One thing I definately learned tonight...between Marion and Brewer, there really is no room for Stevenson on this roster unless someone gets injured.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#268 » by Mavs2theFinals » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:27 am

JES12 wrote:One thing to concider for those saying "as bad as we played...we still had a chance to win"....

We held Kobe to 6/20 shooting. That is 30%. I know Marion plays great D on Kobe; just about as well as anyone in this league could, but let's not fool ourselves and assume Kobe is going to shoot 30%, 2 turnovers and a -2 on the +/- every time we play when evaluating our own guys playing horrible.

One thing I definately learned tonight...between Marion and Brewer, there really is no room for Stevenson on this roster unless someone gets injured.


I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#269 » by dyukcs » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:04 am

Yeah, Kobe averaged 40% against Boston and OKC in the playoffs. He disappears against good defenses, they key to beating them is containing their bigs, and killing their perimeter defenders. I mean we failed at it tonight, but I'm not really scared of them at all.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#270 » by PurpleGold » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:17 am

Mavs2theFinals wrote:
I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..


lol.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#271 » by ASIMO » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:17 am

Mavs great Center duo got only 7 defensive rebounds last night. :giveup:
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#272 » by Maverick86 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:36 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
sweet daddy wrote:This team is just so ... beatable.

In 30 years I've never seen a Mavericks team that I really believed was capable of winning a championship, and I don't think this one can, either. Whatever it is that makes a team a champion, this one doesn't have it. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do. :roll:

I've got the same feeling...the Lakers just look far superior to me.
Marion is terrific but he can't make up for both Terry's and Dirk's deficiencies on defense.
I'd say Butler would make a difference but Carlisle would never play Marion and Butler together as long as Terry and Kidd are on the team.
Although it's possible to get past the Lakers, it isn't probable imo.


RC did that last season and look how far it got the Mavs...
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#273 » by Darren » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:39 pm

dyukcs wrote:The hardest part about this game was trying to watch a line-up with Barea and Cardinal but no Marion try to make a comback, then a line-up with Cardinal and no Dirk trying to make a comeback. Until we finally have Marion-Dirk and and we make the comeback.

Carlisle really needs to tweak this rotation. It's hurt us in all of the last 5 games, we can pull it off against the Timberwolves but not the Lakers.


Barea, in particular, lose the game for us with key turnovers. The refs' calls against Tyson Chandler are another one. Rick's substitution is another one. I wonder why we see Barea and Jet until the final 3 minutes. Playing them together is proven ineffective long ago.

We need X-factors to win against Lakers. Jet's not the guy we can count on big time. He's putting on Finley's shoes right now. He's overexposed over the past few years. Conversely, Roddy's quick enough to make a difference. We do need somebody to draw fouls on their big badly. I hope Roddy'd deliver soon. By the way, I don't see why Cardinal play at all. He's nothing more than 14th man. Rick's on a hot seat right now if Sloan comes to Dallas.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#274 » by Soupman » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:11 pm

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dyukcs wrote:The hardest part about this game was trying to watch a line-up with Barea and Cardinal but no Marion try to make a comback, then a line-up with Cardinal and no Dirk trying to make a comeback. Until we finally have Marion-Dirk and and we make the comeback.

Carlisle really needs to tweak this rotation. It's hurt us in all of the last 5 games, we can pull it off against the Timberwolves but not the Lakers.


Barea, in particular, lose the game for us with key turnovers. The refs' calls against Tyson Chandler are another one. Rick's substitution is another one. I wonder why we see Barea and Jet until the final 3 minutes. Playing them together is proven ineffective long ago.

We need X-factors to win against Lakers. Jet's not the guy we can count on big time. He's putting on Finley's shoes right now. He's overexposed over the past few years. Conversely, Roddy's quick enough to make a difference. We do need somebody to draw fouls on their big badly. I hope Roddy'd deliver soon. By the way, I don't see why Cardinal play at all. He's nothing more than 14th man. Rick's on a hot seat right now if Sloan comes to Dallas.



So Barea and Terry lost us another important game. I am not surprised.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#275 » by KB24TBOTB » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:56 pm

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Mavs2theFinals wrote:
I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..


lol.

Not here to troll, but Mavs2theFinals are u serious?
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#276 » by CDansby » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:09 pm

Just a thought after watching last night. Haywood is our best option against Bynum and Chandler is our best option against Pau...is there a chance you start to think of playing those two together if we see each other in the playoffs? It would probably be ugly on the offensive end but it would help us get stops and rebounds on the other end, which was a problem last night. It's a better option than playing Cardinal in my opinion.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#277 » by dyukcs » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:13 pm

I sort of agree. But Cardinal should not have gotten a single minute at SF, that should've been all Brewer. That leaves about 12 minutes behind Dirk, but in the play-offs that's more like 7 minutes. And Peja will be healthy then. I can live with 7 minutes split between Peja and Cardinal.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#278 » by ahonui06 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:36 pm

KB24TBOTB wrote:
PurpleGold wrote:
Mavs2theFinals wrote:
I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..


lol.

Not here to troll, but Mavs2theFinals are u serious?


Mavs fan are delusional sometimes. Some of them think DIRK isn't their best player and that he should be traded.
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#279 » by Mavs2theFinals » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:40 pm

KB24TBOTB wrote:
PurpleGold wrote:
Mavs2theFinals wrote:
I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..


lol.

Not here to troll, but Mavs2theFinals are u serious?


Haha my bad forgot the green font, of course he's not gonna be shooting 30%, i mean yeah he could, hes not having as great shooting games as he is accustomed to but I really dont think we can keep holding him to 30-40%. Gonna have to find an answer for Bynum
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Re: Game 66 March 12, 2011: Mavs Vs Lakers 

Post#280 » by Mavs2theFinals » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:43 pm

ahonui06 wrote:
PurpleGold wrote:
Mavs2theFinals wrote:
I dont expect Kobe to go off or anything anymore, so 6/20 shooting is around what he will probably be doing..


lol.

Not here to troll, but Mavs2theFinals are u serious?


Mavs fan are delusional sometimes. Some of them think DIRK isn't their best player and that he should be traded.[/quote]

What? Are you really saying mavs fans are delusional? Says the one whos on "DIRK's" co*k

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