Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011

Kanyewest · Post #961 » by **Kanyewest** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:08 pm

dfreshbfresh wrote:Do we still get the grizzlies pick if they make the playoffs for the Juan carlos Navarro trade?

No the Wizards traded that pick for Javaris Crittenton.

Kanyewest · Post #962 » by **Kanyewest** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:21 pm

BTW, how did Barnes look today against Duke. The box score indicates not so much- 15 points and only 2 rebounds.

Post #963 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Kanyewest wrote:BTW, how did Barnes look today against Duke. The box score indicates not so much- 15 points and only 2 rebounds.

I didn't see it either, but there's a Nick Young esque quality showing. He doesn't seem to have a complete game, does he? If he's shooting well - it's easy to ignore that. But when he's not, those 2 rebounds and zero assists looks unnerving. And there haven't been many trips to the foul line. Let's see what he does in the NCAA Tournament - especially focus on what he does other than shooting jumpers.

Halcyon · Post #964 » by **Halcyon** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:52 pm

We should also look at how he is defensively as well. I don't think being a playmaker is a necessity with Wall on the team. He definitely has the ability to shoot, both standing still and off the dribble. He also has the length and athletic ability to be a good defender.

pcbothwel · Post #965 » by **pcbothwel** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:47 pm

Ruz,
When I mentioned NY earlier as a comparison I didnt realize how right I was. Dont get me wrong, I still think he is an inch if not two taller, 1-2 inches longer, and 15 lbs heavier all while being 19 and still growing and filling out.
Im not concerned about his future potential as he is also much smarter and more dedicated than NY. But I am worried if we drafted him at the 3 and resigned NY at the 2, how there games would coexist. Ill tell you what though. The legnth/defense of Wall, NY, and Barnes would give team fits for years, if only we had a big man with some Brains or Balls(god forbid he'd have both)

theboomking · Post #966 » by **theboomking** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:28 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Ruz,
When I mentioned NY earlier as a comparison I didnt realize how right I was. Dont get me wrong, I still think he is an inch if not two taller, 1-2 inches longer, and 15 lbs heavier all while being 19 and still growing and filling out.
Im not concerned about his future potential as he is also much smarter and more dedicated than NY. But I am worried if we drafted him at the 3 and resigned NY at the 2, how there games would coexist. Ill tell you what though. The legnth/defense of Wall, NY, and Barnes would give team fits for years, if only we had a big man with some Brains or Balls(god forbid he'd have both)

I think you're looking at that exactly the wrong way. Both NY and Barnes can catch and shoot, defend, and stretch the court from the perimeter. While I don't know that NY has the mindset to ever really be a winner, we would be much better off with two of those types of players to spread the floor for Wall to drive, and to provide kick out opportunities. Wall would really rack up the assists if we had a SG and SF that could stretch the floor, and a physical presence in the low post that could score. Barnes at least fills out one of those positions nicely.

Diebler is still killing it. He went 3/5 from 3 today. Anybody know what the NCAA single season 3 point percentage record is? Diebler has to be close to it at .497 with 99 makes. I still think he could be a stud shooter, and an excellent role player on a good team.

tontoz · Post #967 » by **tontoz** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 pm

Kanyewest wrote:BTW, how did Barnes look today against Duke. The box score indicates not so much- 15 points and only 2 rebounds.

Duke defended him well. They didn't let him get the catch and shoot opportunities that he had last game. They forced him to try and create off the dribble and brought help quickly. He started off 1-6 but did ok after that.

My question mark with him is how good he is off the dribble. Hard to tell watching college games.

Post #968 » by **nate33** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:34 pm

#1 pick wrote:
nate33 wrote:My dream scenario would be to draft Barnes and trade Blatche + McGee for Josh Smith. (Atlanta needs a center and they need to trim payroll.) That would leave us with four legit starters with Wall, Young, Barnes and Smith. All are young and hyper-athletic. Booker would be the backup forward who could play alongside Barnes or Smith, Crawford is the backup combo guard. We'd be hurting at the center position with only Seraphin and our #20 draft pick, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Atlanta not doing that deal. McGee doesn't help Atlanta like that. Blatche is a negative move. The center Atlanta needs probably isn't available and no need trading Smith much lesser players. I like Williams or Vassely for Washington.

Agreed. That's why it's a dream scenario and not a real likely scenario.

The only likely scenario that could conceivably pay off is for Lewis and Blatche to both have a very good offseason where they get healthy and stronger, while Booker develops a jumper. Next year, we start Blatche at center and platoon Lewis and Booker at PF. (Also, we trade McGee this summer for a 2012 lotto pick.)

mhd · Post #969 » by **mhd** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:02 am

I think Blatche is much better suited as the center going forward. Without Blatche, we have exactly 2 nba caliber scorers in N1 and Wall. Trade McGee for whatever you can. I'd do a Batum deal, but if we draft Barnes, then it would be moot. I'll poke around the TC to come up with something.

Post #970 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:40 am

mhd wrote:I think Blatche is much better suited as the center going forward. Without Blatche, we have exactly 2 nba caliber scorers in N1 and Wall. Trade McGee for whatever you can. I'd do a Batum deal, but if we draft Barnes, then it would be moot. I'll poke around the TC to come up with something.

mhd, I'd rather trade McGee for a 2012 lotto pick. My thinking is that it would be more useful in a trade scenario when we try to acquire Howard or negotiate a sign-and-trade for some other star player. We would be sitting pretty in Summer 2012 with two lotto picks plus $18M or so in cap room.

WizarDynasty · Post #971 » by **WizarDynasty** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:44 am

interesting analysis

Post #972 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:48 am

I think the Wiz have to put out a legitimate NBA team out there next season - or they lose whatever remaining fan base they have. Some of the suggestions here - include plans for a less than legitimate NBA team, imo.

mhd · Post #973 » by **mhd** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:48 am

nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:I think Blatche is much better suited as the center going forward. Without Blatche, we have exactly 2 nba caliber scorers in N1 and Wall. Trade McGee for whatever you can. I'd do a Batum deal, but if we draft Barnes, then it would be moot. I'll poke around the TC to come up with something.

mhd, I'd rather trade McGee for a 2012 lotto pick. My thinking is that it would be more useful in a trade scenario when we try to acquire Howard or negotiate a sign-and-trade for some other star player. We would be sitting pretty in Summer 2012 with two lotto picks plus $18M or so in cap room.

Nate, I don't see any team trading a future lotto pick for McGee when he's close to FA and he's got zero basketball IQ. If he's traded, it is for a late lotto pick this year. Example being GSW's pick.

Kanyewest · Post #974 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:51 am

nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:I think Blatche is much better suited as the center going forward. Without Blatche, we have exactly 2 nba caliber scorers in N1 and Wall. Trade McGee for whatever you can. I'd do a Batum deal, but if we draft Barnes, then it would be moot. I'll poke around the TC to come up with something.

mhd, I'd rather trade McGee for a 2012 lotto pick. My thinking is that it would be more useful in a trade scenario when we try to acquire Howard or negotiate a sign-and-trade for some other star player. We would be sitting pretty in Summer 2012 with two lotto picks plus $18M or so in cap room.

I can't think of a team that would trade a lottery pick in 2012 willingly. A team that trades for McGee or mortgages their future should probably think they are a playoff caliber team and maybe even deeper.

Post #975 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:06 am

Kanyewest wrote:
nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:I think Blatche is much better suited as the center going forward. Without Blatche, we have exactly 2 nba caliber scorers in N1 and Wall. Trade McGee for whatever you can. I'd do a Batum deal, but if we draft Barnes, then it would be moot. I'll poke around the TC to come up with something.

mhd, I'd rather trade McGee for a 2012 lotto pick. My thinking is that it would be more useful in a trade scenario when we try to acquire Howard or negotiate a sign-and-trade for some other star player. We would be sitting pretty in Summer 2012 with two lotto picks plus $18M or so in cap room.

I can't think of a team that would trade a lottery pick in 2012 willingly. A team that trades for McGee or mortgages their future should probably think they are a playoff caliber team and maybe even deeper.

Yes, but that's only because they're unaware of how badly McGee will destroy their record.

Seriously, in this weak draft with no strong center prospects, I think a young team in need of a center might sacrifice a late lotto pick to try and develop McGee. Maybe we allow them top 7 protection on the pick or something. Open-court run-and-gun teams like Phoenix and Golden State might think about it.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #976 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:21 am

dobrojim wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
nate33 wrote:I must admit, Barnes just moved up my draft board as well. The kid looks like a can't miss pro prospect. I don't know if he'll pan out to be a primary option star like Paul Pierce, or more of a role-player third option like Deng, but either way, I'm sure he'll be a quality starting-caliber SF in this league.

We need a long term option at the 3, and Barnes fits the bill. We also need an outsider shooter because outside of Young and Lewis, our options are limited, so he'll fit in there as well. All we need is to add a banger with the other two picks, a rebounder, tough guy inside. A guy like Faried would fit the bill.

I mean, 40 pts, 8 boards, on 17 shots is nothing to sneeze at. He's looking more and more like the top pick he was projected to be before the season started.

I was thinking the exact same thing - I know it was just one great game but dang
he looked good. Take Faried (or Singleton) with the lower pick and smile.

jim, I feel the same way now about Barnes. I have been thinking low post threats Sullinger, Derrick Williams, Kanter, or Valenciunas need to be the Wizards top pick.

What I will do between when March Madness is over and the NBA draft is objectively go by the numbers, and then weigh intangibles in my final assessment.

One thing is for sure, and that is there are no clear cut top 5 IMO.

dobrojim · Post #977 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:32 am

we should probably wait for the full tourney to play out before
our final ratings - 2 guys - Sully and Barnes have a nice opportunity
to grow their stock.

Nolan Smith and Singler (high IQ winner who make winning plays)
both looked good and I liked what I saw from Hansen as well.
Of course none of those guys are likely to deserve our first pick
which looks almost certain to be top 5.

Even though Barnes had an off game, it wasn't the kind of game
that made me think he wouldn't be a solid choice.

So CCj, I wasn't clear what you meant - you WOULD take Barnes
now?

For me having only heard about Kanter, he's the only other
choice I see that I get excited about. I'm from Missouri on
the other top guys at the moment.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #978 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:21 am

I still like Williams. I need to see Val and Kanter's physical status.

My position is if Barnes is who the Wizards pick, I am on board with him now. I was dead against him and Perry Jones earlier when their teams both struggled and both frosh players were not putting up efficient stats.

jim, Barnes looks like a stud player. I HATE to go by my eyes, but he looks like a future star. Makes me think back to MJs college years and Paul Pierce's. Who knew one might be the greatest player ever, and the other an absolute stud player and future first-ballot HOF player?

Barnes is good and even though I dont want to put him at the top of my list, there's future goodness to greatness in him for sure IMO. The Wizards could start him at SF and improve.

Post #979 » by **miller31time** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:33 am

I could just see Barnes being a great running-mate for a Wall-led Wizards squad. If he's as good as advertised, and the Wizards use their cap-space wisely, this rebuild could be a lot faster than any of us expected.

Post #980 » by **miller31time** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:36 am

Also, it's going to be pretty hard to be completely disappointed on draft day. The Wizards will very likely get a top 5 pick and in that space, we're going to have a lot of players who fit nicely with this squad.

Sullinger
Barnes
Jones
Williams

I'd be good with any of them, and it's almost cemented that Kyrie Irving will be a top-5 pick so one of our competitors will undoubtedly use their pick on him, securing us one of the above players if we so choose.