How old would MJ have to be until you could beat him?

[FANOFNBA]

I missed my chance at the pros due to injury(I know, me and a thousand others). But if we're talking a 1 on 1 situation with a 40 year old MJ, then yes, I could have beat him. I'm pretty sure a lot of people could beat him in that scenario. He was slow as hell by that point, and in 1 on 1 games, speed kills.

are you serious? your gauging his speed against some of the best athletes in the world and comparing that to your reasoning to how you can beat him.

[chefy]

yea lol

I get what you're saying 1 on 1 is different...but cmon now dude lol

I'm 100% sure if a 40 year old MJ decided to lock you up he can, the physicality along with speed in the NBA is just different.

[An Unbiased Fan]

are you serious? your gauging his speed against some of the best athletes in the world and comparing that to your reasoning to how you can beat him.

By the 98', he had clearly lost a step. By the Wiz days, he had lost 2 or 3 steps, and wasn't a World Class athelte anymore.

What MJ did have was skill. But by 40, his body just couldn't do what it used to. In a 1 on 1 situation, he would have problems.

[An Unbiased Fan]

yea lol

I get what you're saying 1 on 1 is different...but cmon now dude lol

I'm 100% sure if a 40 year old MJ decided to lock you up he can, the physicality along with speed in the NBA is just different.

It absolutely is different, but why do you assume that I hadn't played with top tier basketball players myself. It should be no surprise on a basketball forum that some of us actually played. To be clear, I wasn't some YMCA scrub, I could ball at a high level. Only 50-60 players make the NBA every year, but MANY more never make it for a myriad of reasons.

MJ may be the GOAT, but EVERYONE has there day. Just ask Willy Mays in his last days, or Ali when he didn't hang it up soon enough, or farve before he decided to comeback.

I'm just really shocked that so many here think they would have to wait till MJ was 70 to beat him. MJ would be one crossover away from lieing on the court with a broken hip yelling into his life alert bracelet.

[JoseRizal]

Even 10-20 years from now, it will be hard to beat his airness in a 1-on-1 game. Either he posts inside or kill you with his perimeter jumpers. Not to mention, his D... Unless you're a D-League level player...

[FANOFNBA]

LOL, I could have beat MJ back in his Wizard days, no doubt.

Do you guys really think you'd have to wait till he was in his 70's to beat him?

This reminds me of that episode of Pros vs Joes where the young NFl stars beat the older NBA stars in basketball. Hakeem looked like an old man and he's still in his 40's.

mj at 60 in a small gym against players not at nba or div 1 level, would almost look like he was in his prime in the nba. (in terms of domination)

Well, for clarification. I'm 6'4, was built like DWade, and my playing style was similiar to Penny Hardaway. With all due respect to MJ, I was faster than him at that point, I was 2 inches shorter, but just as stong. And frankly, MJ's handles had really gotten sloppy by his Wiz days and I don't think he could protect the ball well enough with his slower reflexes.

And NO, MJ at 60 would get schooled by anyone with decent game. Do people understand how much the body slows as they age?

dont confuse nba speed with human speed. there is no screens playing one on one. its pretty easy to stay in front of someone.

i get the feeling youve never played against an nba level player. when you do you realize how good these guys really are. and im talking about scrubs.

[chefy]

yea lol

I get what you're saying 1 on 1 is different...but cmon now dude lol

I'm 100% sure if a 40 year old MJ decided to lock you up he can, the physicality along with speed in the NBA is just different.

It absolutely is different, but why do you assume that I hadn't played with top tier basketball players myself. It should be no surprise on a basketball forum that some of us actually played. To be clear, I wasn't some YMCA scrub, I could ball at a high level. Only 50-60 players make the NBA every year, but MANY more never make it for a myriad of reasons.

MJ may be the GOAT, but EVERYONE has there day. Just ask Willy Mays in his last days, or Ali when he didn't hang it up soon enough, or farve before he decided to comeback.

I'm just really shocked that so many here think they would have to wait till MJ was 70 to beat him. MJ would be one crossover away from lieing on the court with a broken hip yelling into his life alert bracelet.

I was editing my post to ask what's the highest level of ball you ever played...you beat me to it.
Also can you state these players that you said you've played against?

I agree with Jose though, unless you're at least a D-league-lite baller I don't see how you can beat a 40 year old MJ.

[FANOFNBA]

are you serious? your gauging his speed against some of the best athletes in the world and comparing that to your reasoning to how you can beat him.

By the 98', he had clearly lost a step. By the Wiz days, he had lost 2 or 3 steps, and wasn't a World Class athelte anymore.

What MJ did have was skill. But by 40, his body just couldn't do what it used to. In a 1 on 1 situation, he would have problems.

ok i bit. (didnt catch the sarcasm till right now) i blame the 3 pitchers of sangria i had with dinner

[GreenHat]

LOL, I could have beat MJ back in his Wizard days, no doubt.

Do you guys really think you'd have to wait till he was in his 70's to beat him?

This reminds me of that episode of Pros vs Joes where the young NFl stars beat the older NBA stars in basketball. Hakeem looked like an old man and he's still in his 40's.

At first I thought you were being sarcastic about your whole "I could beat MJ on the Wizards" shtick but then I realized from your subsequent posts that you are being serious and you're one of those "I could have made the pros BUT..." guys.

If you were only 6'4 unless you were at least a major college star, forgive me if I take your self-assessment about your pro prospects less than seriously. And since you went on to post your height and body type but didn't come out and say I am so and so, I'm guessing that you weren't a star. Did you even play D1? Or is that also a case of you "could have made it to D1 BUT..."?

I also think its crazy that some people think they would have to wait until he is 70 but some people just aren't that good at basketball. I still think your claim is more the other way than theirs though.

I very much doubt that you have the athleticism of an NFL athlete. If you are 6'4 and are as athletic as an NFL player then why aren't you in the NFL? Let me guess your current job is so much better lol. Plus those were all retired stars. Jordan was still playing at the time and was 38, 39.

I have no doubt that you could beat Jordan at an older age if you have some kind of game but no way could you beat him at 38/39 unless you are some kind of star on the down low, which from your posts seems very unlikely.

Of course you could always prove me wrong by linking us to your stats but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.

[chefy]

LOL, I could have beat MJ back in his Wizard days, no doubt.

Do you guys really think you'd have to wait till he was in his 70's to beat him?

This reminds me of that episode of Pros vs Joes where the young NFl stars beat the older NBA stars in basketball. Hakeem looked like an old man and he's still in his 40's.

At first I thought you were being sarcastic about your whole "I could beat MJ on the Wizards" shtick but then I realized from your subsequent posts that you are being serious and you're one of those "I could have made the pros BUT..." guys.

If you were only 6'4 unless you were at least a major college star, forgive me if I take your self-assessment about your pro prospects less than seriously. And since you went on to post your height and body type but didn't come out and say I am so and so, I'm guessing that you weren't a star. Did you even play D1? Or is that also a case of you "could have made it to D1 BUT..."?

I also think its crazy that some people think they would have to wait until he is 70 but some people just aren't that good at basketball. I still think your claim is more the other way than theirs though.

I very much doubt that you have the athleticism of an NFL athlete. If you are 6'4 and are as athletic as an NFL player then why aren't you in the NFL? Let me guess your current job is so much better lol. Plus those were all retired stars. Jordan was still playing at the time and was 38, 39.

I have no doubt that you could beat Jordan at an older age if you have some kind of game but no way could you beat him at 38/39 unless you are some kind of star on the down low, which from your posts seems very unlikely.

Of course you could always prove me wrong by linking us to your stats but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.

yea doesn't make sense

6'4 guy built like Dwayne Wade that has the skills of beating an 20,5,5 NBA player...and you're not in the NBA or at least in the Dleague or playing overseas?

It's either your BBall IQ is so low that you can't translate your great skills in playing 5 on 5 basketball, or you have found a much better job rather than being an professional athlete.

[wallflower]

Maybe at two-weeks old? I might be able to stop him, but his defense would probably still be intimidating.

[mysticbb]

Well, for clarification. I'm 6'4, was built like DWade, and my playing style was similiar to Penny Hardaway. With all due respect to MJ, I was faster than him at that point, I was 2 inches shorter, but just as stong. And frankly, MJ's handles had really gotten sloppy by his Wiz days and I don't think he could protect the ball well enough with his slower reflexes.

So, your senior year in highschool was? I really would like to know to which highschool star we are speaking here.


Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TkvX356cpQ

Jordan at the age of 40 against the best defense of the 2002/03 season. Yeah, for sure you would have beaten him 1on1 that season in a serious competition. :lol:

[GreenHat]

At first I thought you were being sarcastic about your whole "I could beat MJ on the Wizards" shtick but then I realized from your subsequent posts that you are being serious and you're one of those "I could have made the pros BUT..." guys.

If you were only 6'4 unless you were at least a major college star, forgive me if I take your self-assessment about your pro prospects less than seriously. And since you went on to post your height and body type but didn't come out and say I am so and so, I'm guessing that you weren't a star. Did you even play D1? Or is that also a case of you "could have made it to D1 BUT..."?

I also think its crazy that some people think they would have to wait until he is 70 but some people just aren't that good at basketball. I still think your claim is more the other way than theirs though.

I very much doubt that you have the athleticism of an NFL athlete. If you are 6'4 and are as athletic as an NFL player then why aren't you in the NFL? Let me guess your current job is so much better lol. Plus those were all retired stars. Jordan was still playing at the time and was 38, 39.

I have no doubt that you could beat Jordan at an older age if you have some kind of game but no way could you beat him at 38/39 unless you are some kind of star on the down low, which from your posts seems very unlikely.

Of course you could always prove me wrong by linking us to your stats but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.

yea doesn't make sense

6'4 guy built like Dwayne Wade that has the skills of beating an 20,5,5 NBA player...and you're not in the NBA or at least in the Dleague or playing overseas?

It's either your BBall IQ is so low that you can't translate your great skills in playing 5 on 5 basketball, or you have found a much better job rather than being an professional athlete.

Or it could be that someone is exaggerating and overrating their own abilities on the internet. But that NEVER happens so it can't be that lol.

I join mysticbb in wanting to know which former star we have the pleasure of conversing with. But I would rather hear about his college career than his high school career.

A bigger Dwade, who is athletic as an NFL player and could beat MJ one on one (in his late 30s) surely would have made it to some college. I mean someone would take a shot on him regardless of what kept him out of the NBA.

[ronnymac2]

27.

Only when he's in his prime is he even worthy of facing me.......

[penbeast0]

I'm older than he is, it isn't going to get any better . . . can we take it the other way to when I was 17 and he was 13?

And put money on it?

[Guy986]

LOL, I could have beat MJ back in his Wizard days, no doubt.

Do you guys really think you'd have to wait till he was in his 70's to beat him?

This reminds me of that episode of Pros vs Joes where the young NFl stars beat the older NBA stars in basketball. Hakeem looked like an old man and he's still in his 40's.

mj at 60 in a small gym against players not at nba or div 1 level, would almost look like he was in his prime in the nba. (in terms of domination)

Well, for clarification. I'm 6'4, was built like DWade, and my playing style was similiar to Penny Hardaway. With all due respect to MJ, I was faster than him at that point, I was 2 inches shorter, but just as stong. And frankly, MJ's handles had really gotten sloppy by his Wiz days and I don't think he could protect the ball well enough with his slower reflexes.

And NO, MJ at 60 would get schooled by anyone with decent game. Do people understand how much the body slows as they age?

6'4, body built like Dwade. Playing style similar to Penny. Just as strong as wizard version of MJ. Sounds like a top 5 pick to me. When are you declaring for the draft?

[bastillon]

LOL at this idiot

[Kayjay]

(he's jrue holiday)

[An Unbiased Fan]

LOL, It wasn't my intention to turn this into a "Prime An Unbiased Fan" vs "40 year old MJ" thread.

A few points.

-I said i was built like DWade, NOT that I had his explosiveness(though I was decent in that area)
-I said my playing style was similiar to Penny's, NOT that I was as skilled.
-I won't reveal any personal info on myself, you just have to take my word for it. I know I know, I'm just some internet poster, but it is what it is.

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Geesh, I don't know why I even answered this topic, I should have known how this would end.

[mysticbb]

Nah, Holiday is too weak. The guy said he was strong as Jordan in 2003. And going by his description he was a better prospect than Rose was, similar to John Wall maybe even better, that's more like a #1 pick than just a Top5. Just imagine Dwyane Wade would have been described as someone with a Penny Hardaway skillset, that would have pushed him to the #2 overall in 2003.