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[Game #66] Phoenix Suns (33-32) at NO Hornets (39-30)

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Re: [Game #66] Phoenix Suns (33-32) at NO Hornets (39-30) 

Post#141 » by BurningHeart » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:26 pm

b-ball forever wrote:Well Dragic was a nice bench player last year, but don't forget that he was also Tragic during his rookie year and he regressed a lot in his 3rd year, not to mention he's still been mediocre overall with the Rockets now playing behing a low caliber PG like Lowry. He's been bad more often then good so far in his career and is replacable.

Will that pick we gave turn into a nice player? Maybe, but the draft class is pretty weak this year so I don't think so.

Either way, the cap flexibilty we'll have thanks to the midseason deals will be especially interesting moving forward with the new CBA and all. Having toxic contracts like Hedo's (on top of being a toxic basketball player) around in a reduced salary cap woulda been a disaster.


I just feel like Dragic was dynamic enough not to give up on him. Especially because Brooks is an RFA. If we re-sign him, it might be to a bad offer, and Nash will probably be gone. I don't want Brooks as the starting PG of this team. If we don't match, then that means we gave up Dragic and the pick for nothing. It was only gonna be good in the short-term to help us with offensive punch for the playoffs. As that fades, any positives of the deal fade away.
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Re: [Game #66] Phoenix Suns (33-32) at NO Hornets (39-30) 

Post#142 » by visions » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:51 am

I agree that not re-signing Amare was a huge mistake. If I was the owner I defenitely would have taken a gamble on him. Plus I would have kept Lou. Why break up a team that was so close to the finals??? Artest doesn't get that putback in game 5 who knows what could have happened.

Anyway another massive mistake by the FO was not replacing Amare with not just a real PF but one who could finish. I've been saying it all season - one of our biggest problems has been the number of easy baskets we miss...especially at crucial points of games. IT IS INFURIATING!!!!!!!!!!

Take this game - clawed our way back to only 5pts down with 2mins to go...Nash sets up Gortat perfectly for a layup........and he blows it.
There is no way Amare would have blown that layup...in fact he probably would have dunked it anyway. Now I'm not knocking Gortat in particular - I think he is one of the best things to happen to the Suns this season - but it just shows he much we lack a big who can consistently finish inside.

This team could be so much better if we had one!!!
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Re: [Game #66] Phoenix Suns (33-32) at NO Hornets (39-30) 

Post#143 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:22 am

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BurningHeart wrote:Even if its uninsurable......you still do it. You just DONT get rid of someone like Amare. Bottom line.

And it's not just losing him. It's losing him. And Lou. And Leandro. And Dragic. And Jason. And this, and that, and whoever, and everything in the past, and just.....**** EVERYTHING.

Absolute ruination.


Sorry, they didn't need him at that price. The Suns were just as good offensively without him. And they were the year he was injured as well. They just needed to understand who they were, would they had always been under Nash and stick to that model.


Anyone with half a brain could look and see this team was nowhere near as good. You can do all the "analysis" you want.


Depends how you look at it.

Would we have won 54 games with Gortat and VC being with us for training camp and having resigned Lou? I think it's likely. But would we have a consistent go-to scorer down the stretch when we need it most? Nope. I personally think a consistent go-to option who can put up high % buckets and get to the line is the most important factor, in playoff games especially. Amare gave us an option offensively we can go to again and again and almost always left us with either 2 points or a trip to the line. Being good in the regular season doesn't always mean we'll be good in the playoffs and I don't think this team, even with Lou (who'll be playing 10-15mpg only anyway) is anywhere as good as a team with Amare in the playoffs.

I think it's a mistake to let Amare go when we could've had him for cheaper if we didn't blow off his more reasonable offer from last Feb. I do understand letting him walk if he was uninsurable but it should've never gotten to the point where we we were given an ultimatum.
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Post#144 » by BurningHeart » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:17 am

Agreed.
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Post#145 » by DRK » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:32 am

I dont understand the direction of thsi team. Firstly, the reason why we traded Barbosa was because he was a score-first guard, who played little defence and was hindering Dragic's development. 6 months later, we trade Dragic away for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks. What is the FO trying to achieve here? If there is any goals, or a "guidelione" they are sticking to, I just dont see it.

Dragi was supposed to be the future of our franchise. We traded Barbosa so Dragic could expand his game so he could be ready to take the reins from Nash. Now, we traded the "future" of our franchise for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks.

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Post#146 » by BurningHeart » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:36 am

DRK wrote:I dont understand the direction of thsi team. Firstly, the reason why we traded Barbosa was because he was a score-first guard, who played little defence and was hindering Dragic's development. 6 months later, we trade Dragic away for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks. What is the FO trying to achieve here? If there is any goals, or a "guidelione" they are sticking to, I just dont see it.

Dragi was supposed to be the future of our franchise. We traded Barbosa so Dragic could expand his game so he could be ready to take the reins from Nash. Now, we traded the "future" of our franchise for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks.

:confused:


We have no direction, and as I posted a while ago....we have no identity.
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Post#147 » by DRK » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:47 pm

It seems like the Brooks move was made without much thought into it. The Suns just wanted to seem "active" at the deadline, so they made the move. I would do anything to reverse the move to be honest....
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Post#148 » by JohnVancouver » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:14 pm

BurningHeart wrote:Even if its uninsurable......you still do it. You just DONT get rid of someone like Amare. Bottom line.

And it's not just losing him. It's losing him. And Lou. And Leandro. And Dragic. And Jason. And this, and that, and whoever, and everything in the past, and just.....**** EVERYTHING.

Absolute ruination.



I disagree with the first par of your post, re Amar'e, and agree competely with the second.

Except, who's this "Jason" ...?

and Leandro wanted out,but Lou and Gogi? Yes - stupid
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Post#149 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:43 pm

DRK wrote:I dont understand the direction of thsi team. Firstly, the reason why we traded Barbosa was because he was a score-first guard, who played little defence and was hindering Dragic's development. 6 months later, we trade Dragic away for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks. What is the FO trying to achieve here? If there is any goals, or a "guidelione" they are sticking to, I just dont see it.

Dragi was supposed to be the future of our franchise. We traded Barbosa so Dragic could expand his game so he could be ready to take the reins from Nash. Now, we traded the "future" of our franchise for a clone of Barbosa in Aaron Brooks.

:confused:


Yup. I didn't like that we moved LB for Dragic's development and now we turned Dragic back into a shorter and less efficient LB.

I had faith in our current FO after the Gortat trade, but it was a little shaken after we gave up a 1st and Dragic for Brooks.
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Post#150 » by BurningHeart » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:54 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:Even if its uninsurable......you still do it. You just DONT get rid of someone like Amare. Bottom line.

And it's not just losing him. It's losing him. And Lou. And Leandro. And Dragic. And Jason. And this, and that, and whoever, and everything in the past, and just.....**** EVERYTHING.

Absolute ruination.



I disagree with the first par of your post, re Amar'e, and agree competely with the second.

Except, who's this "Jason" ...?

and Leandro wanted out,but Lou and Gogi? Yes - stupid


Richardson, lol. I know Leandro wanted out, but still. We ended up getting him right back in Brooks (albeit a better version).
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Post#151 » by JohnVancouver » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:05 pm

Right - JRich is Jason.

all I could think of was Kidd, and I couldn't figure why you'd be bringing that up ....
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Post#152 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:05 am

BurningHeart wrote:Richardson, lol. I know Leandro wanted out, but still. We ended up getting him right back in Brooks (albeit a better version).


At the cost of Dragic and a 1st.

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