Dr J & Pau Gasol OR Kobe & Amare?

[Wooderson]

Kobe>Dr. J
Amare>Gasol

So I'll take the 2 guys that are better.

except Amar'e isnt > Gasol

lol yes he is

on what planet is 25 ppg on 66%!!!!! TS with 9 rpg and 2 bpg is not better than 18 on 60% and 11 rpg with 2 bpg?

on what planet does Gasol put up 42, 41, 37, 34 and 31 against prime Tim Duncan in playoffs?

on what planet does Gasol average 30, 11 with 2 bpg and 62% TS in playoffs?


yeah. amare is clearly better. Gasol is not a much better defender than prime Amare to make up for huge offensive loss.

Put Gasol with a prime Nash and his TS would go up 4-5% pretty much negating any advantage Amare has had in efficiency. Gasol's actually been the more efficient player this year.

Gasol's rebounding and defense advantage more than makes up for Amare's advantage in scoring imo. Gasol isn't an elite defender but he more than holds his own which historically you can definitely NOT say about Amare.

Given that defense and rebounding in the frontcourt are crucial to winning championships I'd go Dr. J/Gasol in this scenario.

[DR1983]

I would take Kobe and Amare because Kobe is the best player out of the 4 mentioned by a wide margin.

You must have missed the part where I said we were including ABA Dr J. So yeh, not so much.

No I didn't miss that part, Kobe in his prime would murder Dr J and its not even close.

J was bigger, stronger and considerably more athletic than Kobe. A very underrated defender in his day. Consistently delivering 2+ SPG, nearly 2 BPG while playing stifling individual defense. To say Kobe would murder him is asinine.

[Mr Burns]

Ah. So you just don't know who prime Dr J was. Ok, got you.

Here is a good place to start your research: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYA/1976.html

Ok so you make a thread asking people who they would pick but we really dont have a choice because whoever picks Kobe and Amar'e knows nothing about basketball? why would you make the thread then if only your opinion is correct? ps all you are doing is throwing statistics at me, which i really dont care about. Kobe is way better than Dr J and that's my opinion so live with it cause im not going to change it because you don't agree. K? tnx.

[ChuckTheD]

Ah. So you just don't know who prime Dr J was. Ok, got you.

Here is a good place to start your research: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYA/1976.html

You post ABA numbers and expect a point to be made? There was no defense in the ABA, it was a league of showmen. There was great talent, which is why it was taking ratings away from the NBA, but you can't seriously compare the game played in 70's ABA basketball and the game played in 2000's NBA basketball.

Dr. J was a great, great player. Very underrated due to those Finals losses (and spending the first chunk of his career in a league that wasn't televised regularly.) He was a pioneer of the above the rim game. But he wasn't the basketball player that Kobe Bryant was/is.

Kobe's got the edge in shooting (you ever seen Doc's jumpshot?), passing, defense, killer-instinct, and technical proficiency. Erving's got him in rebounding, athleticism, and showmanship. They're similar at penetration (that's being kind to Julius.)

Dr. J was more important for basketball than Kobe is, but Kobe's better at basketball than Dr. J was. I don't think it's a huge gap, but I bet it'd be pretty clear if we could watch them play.

[singlepurposeac]

Ah. So you just don't know who prime Dr J was. Ok, got you.

Here is a good place to start your research: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYA/1976.html

Ok so you make a thread asking people who they would pick but we really dont have a choice because whoever picks Kobe and Amar'e knows nothing about basketball? why would you make the thread then if only your opinion is correct? ps all you are doing is throwing statistics at me, which i really dont care about. Kobe is way better than Dr J and that's my opinion so live with it cause im not going to change it because you don't agree. K? tnx.

Some might argue about which 2 mesh together. But I hear you, you're wrong, and nothing will convince you otherwise. Kobe's AWESOME, and any stat that in any way downplays him is wrong. Got it.

[chefy]

Ah. So you just don't know who prime Dr J was. Ok, got you.

Here is a good place to start your research: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYA/1976.html

Ok so you make a thread asking people who they would pick but we really dont have a choice because whoever picks Kobe and Amar'e knows nothing about basketball? why would you make the thread then if only your opinion is correct? ps all you are doing is throwing statistics at me, which i really dont care about. Kobe is way better than Dr J and that's my opinion so live with it cause im not going to change it because you don't agree. K? tnx.

+1

if you think dr j> kobe and gasol > amare and chemistry wise goes to dr j's team as well why even start this thread? lol

[Mr Burns]

Ah. So you just don't know who prime Dr J was. Ok, got you.

Here is a good place to start your research: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYA/1976.html

Ok so you make a thread asking people who they would pick but we really dont have a choice because whoever picks Kobe and Amar'e knows nothing about basketball? why would you make the thread then if only your opinion is correct? ps all you are doing is throwing statistics at me, which i really dont care about. Kobe is way better than Dr J and that's my opinion so live with it cause im not going to change it because you don't agree. K? tnx.

Some might argue about which 2 mesh together. But I hear you, you're wrong, and nothing will convince you otherwise. Kobe's AWESOME, and any stat that in any way downplays him is wrong. Got it.

I'm not wrong, how can you say someones opinion is wrong? are you going to get Kobe and Dr J to play against each other? your thread is hypothetical so how can you tell me I'm wrong? Maybe its past your bed time, you need some sleep young one. But before you run along and let mommy tuck you in, make sure you get Dr js shaft out you rear end.

Peace.

[singlepurposeac]

LOL, at the Kobe fan telling me to get off someone's jock! You claimed Kobe was miles ahead of DrJ, that's laughing stock material right there.

There was no defense in the ABA, it was a league of showmen

I admit, you follow this up with some sensible remarks, but this was such a laughable thing to say I almost stopped reading. Would you like to pace adjust Kobe/DrJ's numbers for us or something? Carrying that 1976 Nets team to the title is considered one of the most incredible efforts by a single player ever. It's more than Kobe has ever done at his peak. To hear you dismiss it like that is more than a little silly.

[rrravenred]

Interesting question, could Prime Kobe have carried the Nets to the 'ship?

I'd say no, personally. Dr J was an absolute swiss-army knife of a player at prime, wheras (for mine) Kobe's peaks in specific areas of the game have come at different times (a bit like Vlade Divac in that regard, though obviously at a much higher level).

[shawngoat23]

ABA Erving > prime Kobe > NBA Erving

Gasol >> Amare because I care about defense and I don't think Kobe can outscore the other team by himself when his team is playing defense 4-on-5

Going with Erving and Gasol comfortably if we're talking ABA Erving; going with Kobe and Amare by a squeaker otherwise.

[LakerLegend]

The gap between Kobe and Dr J is MUCH bigger than any gap between Amare and Gasol either way. So Kobe and Amare.

Yes, Kobe is MUCH better than the Dr. ever was. There's literally nothing any version of Doc does as good as Kobe, let alone better save maybe rebounding and even then thats more a product of the positions they play. The difference in skill is as wide as the grand canyon, and I'm someone who thinks the Dr. is underrated these days.

[singlepurposeac]

The gap between Kobe and Dr J is MUCH bigger than any gap between Amare and Gasol either way. So Kobe and Amare.

Yes, Kobe is MUCH better than the Dr. ever was. There's literally nothing any version of Doc does as good as Kobe, let alone better save maybe rebounding and even then thats more a product of the positions they play. The difference in skill is as wide as the grand canyon, and I'm someone who thinks the Dr. is underrated these days.

[DR1983]

The gap between Kobe and Dr J is MUCH bigger than any gap between Amare and Gasol either way. So Kobe and Amare.

Yes, Kobe is MUCH better than the Dr. ever was. There's literally nothing any version of Doc does as good as Kobe, let alone better save maybe rebounding and even then thats more a product of the positions they play. The difference in skill is as wide as the grand canyon, and I'm someone who thinks the Dr. is underrated these days.

Kobe's a better shooter and a slightly better playmaker. Otherwise J has him beat pretty much across the board.

[LakerLegend]

Kobe's a better offensive player by ANY measure He's a MUCH better shooter, a MUCH better dribbler, a MUCH better passer. He's guarded and done well against speedy guys like Iverson and Stoudamire in the playoffs, Doc Rivers said Kobe was the best help defender since Pippen during the 08 Finals. Much more versatile. Can play 1-3 on offense or defense.

Doc couldn't shoot, wasn't much of a dribbler. Was a solid defender, good rebounder. It's really not close at all.

[Jordan23Forever]

The gap between Kobe and Dr J is MUCH bigger than any gap between Amare and Gasol either way. So Kobe and Amare.

Yes, Kobe is MUCH better than the Dr. ever was. There's literally nothing any version of Doc does as good as Kobe, let alone better save maybe rebounding and even then thats more a product of the positions they play. The difference in skill is as wide as the grand canyon, and I'm someone who thinks the Dr. is underrated these days.

Rebound? Block shots and steal the ball? Slash? Finish? Saying that Kobe is MUCH (in caps and bolded) better than Dr. J ever was is a joke. Kobe might be better, but if so it's not by a lot when we're discussing actual on court impact and level of play.

[DR1983]

Stoudamire?

[LakerLegend]

Stoudamire was an all-star caliber player in his prime and one of the quickest guards EVER, and in any event you wouldn't even dream of putting Dr. on a guy like that...

and no, Dr J isnt even close to Kobe as a slasher due to his subpar dribbling abilities. Did any of you guys even watch him play? If not, dont comment. There is NO argument for Doc approaching Kobe as a player.

[magic1fan]

kobe and amare. i love gasol to death,but it just seems like whenever we played the suns amare gave gasol the business.

[singlepurposeac]

Stoudamire was an all-star caliber player in his prime and one of the quickest guards EVER

:lol ah man.

[singlepurposeac]

Stoudamire was an all-star caliber player in his prime and one of the quickest guards EVER

:lol ah man.