Why is Rondo so passive?

Ron Harper · Post #61 » by **Ron Harper** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:45 pm

Kilroy wrote:I thought he was just trying to use some more clock...

But when you have a wide open layup, you need to take the shot... Maybe you get fouled... Either way, that's the smart play.

They were losing...

CjayC · Post #62 » by **CjayC** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:47 pm

I wonder why he didn't just dunk it quickly. He's fast and strong as hell. If Tony Allen or someone is gonna block that shot then you just have to live with them making an incredible play.

Johnny Firpo · Post #63 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:51 pm

Because he can't freakin' shoot?

Fantaxp7 · Post #64 » by **Fantaxp7** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:54 pm

That clip is embarrassing.

KGboss · Post #65 » by **KGboss** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:00 pm

Pretty embarrassing finish by Rondo last night that's for sure. On a positive his intensity the past couple games has come back to him, now he just needs a bit of swagger around the rim when it matters to go with it.

-Illmatic- · Post #66 » by **-Illmatic-** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:00 pm

He's not even in the discussion for top 5 PG anymore.

1. Rose
2. Williams
3. Paul
4. Westbrook
5. Nash
6. Parker

Post #67 » by **infinite11285** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:04 pm

He was scared. Maybe he thought a defender would close the gap and potentially block his layup so he looked for a trailer.

Either way, he should've manned up and went for the layup.

Post #68 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:04 pm

Ron Harper wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I thought he was just trying to use some more clock...

But when you have a wide open layup, you need to take the shot... Maybe you get fouled... Either way, that's the smart play.

They were losing...

Right, by 1 point... The Celtics thrive on slowing the game down and controlling the tempo. With around 2 min left, I could see them trying to run down the clock and rely on their D to get stops.

But again, if you have a wide open lay-up, you take it and let the clock work itself out.

chubby_1_kenobi · Post #69 » by **chubby_1_kenobi** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:12 pm

Hopefully this doesn't become a trend in the NBA. I heard a few weeks ago how Mike Miller refused to hoist half court shot to maintain a good FG% (shot it after the buzzer and it went in), how Javale Mcgee got his triple double and now this @#!@#% happened to a PG of a championship contender. This is just disturbing to me. If an NBA player step in to the floor worrying what his stats are going to look like at the end of the game, I'd suggest him to go to hell for ruining the sport that I love.

Rapcity_11 · Post #70 » by **Rapcity_11** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:13 pm

Does anyone still think he's the best PG in the NBA?

Seriously though, I'll never really like Rondo as a PG until he proves that the best strategy against him isn't playing way off him and letting him miss wide open jumpers...

If he ever learns how to stick open jumpers, he's elite. Simple as that.

Ron Harper · Post #71 » by **Ron Harper** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:19 pm

Kilroy wrote:
Ron Harper wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I thought he was just trying to use some more clock...

But when you have a wide open layup, you need to take the shot... Maybe you get fouled... Either way, that's the smart play.

They were losing...

Right, by 1 point... The Celtics thrive on slowing the game down and controlling the tempo. With around 2 min left, I could see them trying to run down the clock and rely on their D to get stops.

But again, if you have a wide open lay-up, you take it and let the clock work itself out.

Nah, they wouldn't do that. Down under 2, maximize possessions. Up under 2, maximize clock. You are right, he has to take the layup there.

Ron Harper · Post #72 » by **Ron Harper** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:20 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:Does anyone still think he's the best PG in the NBA?

Seriously though, I'll never really like Rondo as a PG until he proves that the best strategy against him isn't playing way off him and letting him miss wide open jumpers...

If he ever learns how to stick open jumpers, he's elite. Simple as that.

I think come playoff time he'll return to form. He's a competitor for sure.

Rapcity_11 · Post #73 » by **Rapcity_11** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:21 pm

chubby_1_kenobi wrote:Hopefully this doesn't become a trend in the NBA. I heard a few weeks ago how Mike Miller refused to hoist half court shot to maintain a good FG% (shot it after the buzzer and it went in), how Javale Mcgee got his triple double and now this @#!@#% happened to a PG of a championship contender. This is just disturbing to me. If an NBA player step in to the floor worrying what his stats are going to look like at the end of the game, I'd suggest him to go to hell for ruining the sport that I love.

This has been happenning for years now. Ricky Davis and Andray Blatche come to mind for triple double embarrassments.

As far as half-court shots...what Miller did is normal. Guys that will actually shoot them are becoming an exception to the rule. It's ridiculous.

Don't think Rondo was stat padding though. Just scared.

Big Shamrock · Post #74 » by **Big Shamrock** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:33 pm

Rondo wasn't scared. I catch the majority of Celtics games and I've seen this happen countless times. However, its usually not a big deal like this time because he usually holds up and dishes to Ray to get the easy assist. In this situation it came back to bite him.

Rondo wasn't scared. After seeing what he does in the playoffs and moments like earlier in the year where he crammed on Bosh, its obvious he'd rather stack assists during the regular season.

It sucks, but hey - if he shows up in the playoffs and averages a triple-double or something again it won't matter. Celtics fans are just hoping that'll actually happen and that it's just "regular-season-Rondo".

Pablo Escobar · Post #75 » by **Pablo Escobar** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:42 pm

KingoftheCastle wrote:
Big Shamrock wrote:Rondo's terrible, the only reason he does so well is because he's surrounded by a dozen hall of famers who are still playing at an MVP level. If he was on the Pistons he'd average 6 points and 4 assists. Time to trade him for Chris Duhon.

Really no need for green font there.

true

beantownski · Post #76 » by **beantownski** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:20 pm

is rondo passive sometimes?....yes.

does he pass up layups for assists?.... yes

but in this video clip i think he just had a bad first dribble and never had good control of the ball to take it in for a layup attempt. would he have gotten control if he was determined to take it in for a score the whole time?...maybe.

all that being said. it's easy to take apart a player when they're slumping. rondo is still a top 5-7 pg in the league, and is an all star for a reason.

beantownski · Post #77 » by **beantownski** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:24 pm

bigpimpatl wrote:I'm not one to blame a single player or play for a loss, but with 2 minutes to go and the final score being 90-87, you can't help but wonder what the f*** Rondo was thinking. YES, Tony Allen is behind you, YES you are a poor free throw shooter, YES you are not a strong finisher. But not going for the layup allowed the grizzlies to get back on defense and completely halt any fast break opportunity you had.

rondo has one of the better fininshing rates of any player in the league (you're incorrect there).

i bet the two points that rondo got goaltended by tony allen (that wasn't called despite how obvious of a goaltend it was) would have had a factor in the outcome of that game too. you can't pin things on one play like that. it doesn't work that way.

Midway Bully · Post #78 » by **Midway Bully** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:29 pm

beantownski wrote:is rondo passive sometimes?....yes.

does he pass up layups for assists?.... yes

but in this video clip i think he just had a bad first dribble and never had good control of the ball to take it in for a layup attempt. would he have gotten control if he was determined to take it in for a score the whole time?...maybe.

all that being said. it's easy to take apart a player when they're slumping. rondo is still a top 5-7 pg in the league, and is an all star for a reason.

That's the problem, you do not give a player a pass for doing something like that. Scoring should've been Rondo's first thought, and he should've been determined the whole way. To say that he wasn't determined speaks volumes about where a player's priorities lie. He slowed down towards the end, when he had a step or 2 on both Memphis players. Hell, he didn't even need to use the glass if he was getting worried about getting blocked.

That being said, from what I've heard, he's been playing with some injuries, so you can't really beat him up for slumping. I'm sure he'll be in form come playoff time.

joelafan · Post #79 » by **joelafan** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:29 pm

Hes pg and his job is to disprute the ball to the 3 hofs on his team and his jumpshot is horrible.

DrewBynum77 · Post #80 » by **DrewBynum77** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:41 pm

Steve nash just passed him on the Assist per game list...

clear stat padding.

Early in the game he had an lay up under the basket and passed to big baby that was being followed by a Memphis player. So Rondo had to protect BBD and ran at the memphis player to block his path.

Somehow the refs called the foul on the memphis player. and Rondo got and1.