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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1021 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:02 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I want to like Perry Jones, but for him to reach his potential, he's going to have to be in the perfect environment conducive to his comfort-level.

I think John Wall could get him to play up to that potential. But, WAS may also like Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, so I don't know.

I actually think our team would be a good situation for Perry to thrive in. I think if he goes to a team like Washington/Cleveland, where they might want him to be a go-to scorer from the start, I feel like he'll struggle. I also think that teams have to commit to playing him at the 3 (where he wants to play) instead of the 4. Over here we have two decent scoring options in DeMar/Bargs, and look pretty solid at PF, so we can afford to bring him along slowly at the 3, emphasizing his ability to set up teammates/defend/rebound/make open jumpers/cut to the basket at first, and slowly getting him to take on a bigger role handling the ball and creating off the dribble. He's an unselfish player, so I think that would benefit him more than just letting him put up a lot of shots. It also helps us maximize his versatility as a player.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1022 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:08 pm

Jones III could also use a player's coach and that's Triano. I think the worst thing for Jones would be a coach who doesn't let him on the floor and burns him for all his mistakes. I'm thinking back to Bargnani year 2 when his confidence was rock bottom and he looked like a deer in headlights. Or Kwame and Darko. That could be Jones.

But I can't help but feel David Kahn takes him at #2-#5 if he's on the board.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1023 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:10 pm

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Mr. Perfect wrote:
You know, people keep saying Knight has elite athleticism but I don't really see it in the games? I dont even see him drawing much separation from college defenders, don't see the quick first step or elite speed. What I do see is size and a jump shot, with good poise and Bball IQ. I think the best comparison for him at the next level could be a Chauncey Billups type player, which is fine by me.


I see you perspective seeing him as the intellectual point guard as opposed to the athletic freak. But I think their games are different. Chauncey uses his mass to his advantage as opposed to Knight who would use his height. I think the best NBA comparison for Brandon Knight is George Hill.


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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1024 » by Silk Wilkes » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:13 pm

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Youngblood wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:
You know, people keep saying Knight has elite athleticism but I don't really see it in the games? I dont even see him drawing much separation from college defenders, don't see the quick first step or elite speed. What I do see is size and a jump shot, with good poise and Bball IQ. I think the best comparison for him at the next level could be a Chauncey Billups type player, which is fine by me.


I see you perspective seeing him as the intellectual point guard as opposed to the athletic freak. But I think their games are different. Chauncey uses his mass to his advantage as opposed to Knight who would use his height. I think the best NBA comparison for Brandon Knight is George Hill.


I see Jrue Holliday


I was thinking Jrue but he was an amazing defender in college. To me Brandon seems like he's gonna be one of those guys who was hyped coming into the league and turned into a jump shooter like Dorell Wright, maybe a bit more dynamic because he's a combo guard. That's why I say George Hill.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1025 » by TheRealDeal » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:16 pm

I never do this because I don't think it serves a purpose, but this is my current top 10 for the Raptors based on talent/need and who I'd want to draft..for what we know up to this point. Definitely subject to change. I don't have time to give a detailed analysis at the moment but here's my board:

1. Irving (clear #1)

2. Barnes (fills need, complements DD well)

3. Johnny Valentine (fills need, love his upside)

4. Enes Kanter (w/ impressive workouts)

5. Perry Jones III (a bit low bc of character worries, more athletic specimen than great bball player but huge upside if he can put it together)

6. Jared Sullinger (not a need, but too good to pass up at 6)

7. Derrick Williams (never sold on tweeners, doesn't improve our D but loads of talent)

8. Terrence Jones (will surprise people imo, all the tools to play SF, minus a great J)

9. Kemba Walker (concerned about size, character, wouldn't want him as my PG)

10. Brandon Knight (talented PG's with size can be hard to find)
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1026 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:31 pm

Johnny Valentine sounds like an X-rated movie character. Which may explain why he fills a need and people love his upside.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1027 » by fredericklove » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:33 pm

spade57 wrote:Dose anyone else think Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert and GM Chris Grant are going a good job? I really like how they we're able to get the clippers pick although the had to take on Barons contract. Also I read on wiretap that there willing to take on Rip's contract in order to grab Detroit's pick.

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wow if they are able to do that with pistons I would give a huge thumbs up to Gilbert! 3 draft picks within the lottery, no GMs have ever been able to pull something like this. If they get lucky they're able to get a Irving/Barnes, Sully and Kanter :o
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1028 » by TheRealDeal » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:36 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Johnny Valentine sounds like an X-rated movie character. Which may explain why he fills a need and people love his upside.


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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1029 » by CunningLinguist » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:42 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Mr. Perfect wrote:
You know, people keep saying Knight has elite athleticism but I don't really see it in the games? I dont even see him drawing much separation from college defenders, don't see the quick first step or elite speed. What I do see is size and a jump shot, with good poise and Bball IQ. I think the best comparison for him at the next level could be a Chauncey Billups type player, which is fine by me.


I see you perspective seeing him as the intellectual point guard as opposed to the athletic freak. But I think their games are different. Chauncey uses his mass to his advantage as opposed to Knight who would use his height. I think the best NBA comparison for Brandon Knight is George Hill.


I see Jrue Holliday


I see a lot of Devin Harris in him (when he was at Wisconsin), though I think Knight has better distribution skills.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1030 » by CapeCrusader » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:53 pm

With the Raps tank nation in tacked and with March Madness happening, I really can't wait till we find out where we draft.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1031 » by Silk Wilkes » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:53 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:
Youngblood wrote:I see you perspective seeing him as the intellectual point guard as opposed to the athletic freak. But I think their games are different. Chauncey uses his mass to his advantage as opposed to Knight who would use his height. I think the best NBA comparison for Brandon Knight is George Hill.


I see Jrue Holliday


I see a lot of Devin Harris in him (when he was at Wisconsin), though I think Knight has better distribution skills.


I thought about Harris as well :lol: but I think Harris has a much better advantage because of his quickness. I think this all tells us something though. Would you take Knight if his comparisons are Holiday, Harris and Hill? I mean, they're good players but they don't put you over the top by any means, although the jury is still out on Jrue.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1032 » by CunningLinguist » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:04 pm

I see a lot of Devin Harris in him (when he was at Wisconsin), though I think Knight has better distribution skills.[/quote]

I thought about Harris as well :lol: but I think Harris has a much better advantage because of his quickness. I think this all tells us something though. Would you take Knight if his comparisons are Holiday, Harris and Hill? I mean, they're good players but they don't put you over the top by any means, although the jury is still out on Jrue.[/quote]

Ulimately I think he ends up better than probably all of those guys. He has better court vision than Harris, and he has an athleticism/quickness and shooting advantage over Holiday.

Another guy you can compare him to from his play in college is Rondo. Similar size/athleticism and penetration ability with a developing floor game. Of course, Knight is a much better shooter than Rondo was in college.

Who would have thought Rondo would develop into a double digit assist man in the NBA based on his play at Kentucky? In fact, Tubby Smith, in his infinite wisdom, moved him off the point to shooting guard midway through his sophomore year because he grew tired over his tendency to turn the ball over (moving a penetrating PG with no shooting ability to SG was such a brilliant move)
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Irving Undecided About Draft Status 

Post#1033 » by bajanbarnes » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:35 pm

If this is the case and Irving doesn't declare for the draft, and Harrison Barnes have stated he is returning to college, Who would you pick if the Raps end up with #1 overall?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1034 » by wanker » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:36 pm

I'm not sure if these have been posted, but I was just looking at Kanter and Val's U-18 numbers from 2008-2010.

Kanter:
2008 - 19.1 ppg, 14.6 rpg, 0.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 1 blk (33.5 mpg)
2009 - 18.6 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 1.3 apg, .8 spg, 1.8 blk (28.4 mpg)

Valanciunas:
2009 - 19.3 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 0.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 2.6 blk (27.6 mpg)
2010 - 19.4 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 0.9 apg, 0.6 spg, 2.7 blk (30.2 mpg)

These numbers aside, I would without question take Kanter over Valanciunas. Valanciunas will get absolutely dominated in the NBA and will likely average double-digit fouls/48. Kanter, on the other hand, already has the size (at 18) to legitimately play the 5 in the NBA. While I would be interested to see the two players together in a draft workout, I am more than confident that Valanciunas is going to be a disaster in the NBA. Even if Valanciunas were to eventually pan-out (which would be, best-case, an average starter at the 5), I don't see him even being playable in his first 2-3 years. In any case, as I have stated before, I don't think there is any chance the Raptors draft Valanciunas.
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Re: Irving Undecided About Draft Status 

Post#1035 » by mirrornick » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:41 pm

I know Irving is going to declare. He knows this year he is the #1 pick no matter what.
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Re: Irving Undecided About Draft Status 

Post#1036 » by C_Money » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:41 pm

Ya thats what they all say. I don't believe it.
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Re: Irving Undecided About Draft Status 

Post#1037 » by Kabookalu » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:42 pm

Trade the pick to Minnesota for Rubio.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1038 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:52 pm

Here's an interesting comparison for Knight--Russell Westbrook. They both measure out around the same size (Russell was 6'2.25", 192lbs with a 6'7.75" wingspan at the combine).

Here's Russell's sophomore numbers compared to Knight's freshman year:

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Player    Mins PER  Pts  FG%  FGA  3P%  3PA FT%  FTA Rebs Asts Stls Blk TOs PFs
Westbrook 33.8 19.4 15.1 46.5 10.0 33.8 2.3 71.3 3.8 3.9  4.3  1.6  0.2 2.5 2.4
Knight    35.7 19.6 17.4 43.5 13.2 38.4 5.8 79.6 4.6 3.9  4.2  0.5  0.2 3.1 2.3


Russell was better at getting steals, and didn't turn over the ball as much (although that's something that Knight has improved on during the season), but Knight is the better shooter/scorer and gets to the line a bit better.

He definitely has the tools to succeed at the next level, and he's a smart kid. If he's willing to put in the work to improve his game (and it appears that he is), he could have a very bright future.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1039 » by Comeatme_Bro » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:53 pm

The more I read about Knight, the more I'm warming up to him. Would anyone consider taking him with a top 5 pick as it seems most project him to go late lottery?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#1040 » by CunningLinguist » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:56 pm

Comeatme_Bro wrote:The more I read about Knight, the more I'm warming up to him. Would anyone consider taking him with a top 5 pick as it seems most project him to go late lottery?


I would have no problem with it.

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