Sarver Needs to sell to a more DEVOTED owner

Post #41 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:20 pm

TheJohnWallShow wrote:Get off your high horse already. Dont try and act like your word means more than the rest.

2006-07- 82 GP
2007-08- 79 GP
2008-09- 53 GP (eye)
2009-10- 82 GP
2010-11- 77 GP so far

therefor he has been healthy other than the time he took off to get his eye surgery, you cant convince me or anyone else with eyes differently.

Our training staff and his surgeon said he'll need microfracture again, and I trust the people with medical training instead of fans on RealGM.

Amare had a chance to come up big in the most important game of his life a year ago...instead, he grabbed 4 rebounds.

JohnVancouver · Post #42 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:22 pm

garrick wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:He's had microfracrture on both knees - his eyes don;t come into it.

What is widely regarded as the best medical and training staff in the league advised the team that, playing any kind of heavy minutes, Stat would most likely have problems serious enough that by year 4 and 5, he could very well be unable to play.

Because of his history, he cannot be insured.

The team then offered a contract based on that and he passed. No one could blame him for taking the guaranteed deal in NY, no one could blame the Suns for letting him go.
It has nothing to do with how well he's playing this year, or next year.

I hope he has a long, successful career - but the Suns just could not bet that way

He only had microfracture on one knee, the other was to remove a cyst which was caused by overcompensating for the injured knee.
I don't really think it's fair to say he's injury prone and the eye injury was a freak accident no one could have foreseen.

You're right - I should have looked it up rather than relying on memory. But the insurance angle was huge and I still think they had no choice but to let him go. As stated many times previous by many board members, we can;'t judge it for another few years. But eve if it turns out wrong, that;s the way I think they had to play it.

JohnVancouver · Post #43 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:23 pm

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Despite everything we are hearing about Sarver's Suns bleeding money and Phoenix being a small market team despite having 4.3 million in the metro area Sarver is still earning money.

Forbes list the Suns has the 11th highest valued franchise despite a 45% debt to value ratio, a drop to "only" $20 million in operating income, & a drop in attendance by 4%.

Sarver's average operating income the past five seasons only trails that of Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, & Houston.

Just to fuel the Sarver fire - "Cutting office staff by 10%, getting under the luxury tax and being on the receiving end of the collected taxes which is split amongst the teams under the tax, Gentry and Blanks are among the lowest paid coaches and G.M.s & having players like Lawal, Siler, & Dowdell who all earn under $1 million this year all keep Sarver in the black.

That is why he really wanted to make the playoffs, to add $2 million per playoff game to his revenue. Overall the Suns are still worth $7 million more than when he bought them.

Bottom line is Sarver is a business man first and he isn't "losing" money with the Suns, he just isn't making as much as he was five seasons ago."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... z1J30MSwmK

YFZblu · Post #44 » by **YFZblu** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:26 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:
garrick wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:He's had microfracrture on both knees - his eyes don;t come into it.

What is widely regarded as the best medical and training staff in the league advised the team that, playing any kind of heavy minutes, Stat would most likely have problems serious enough that by year 4 and 5, he could very well be unable to play.

Because of his history, he cannot be insured.

The team then offered a contract based on that and he passed. No one could blame him for taking the guaranteed deal in NY, no one could blame the Suns for letting him go.
It has nothing to do with how well he's playing this year, or next year.

I hope he has a long, successful career - but the Suns just could not bet that way

He only had microfracture on one knee, the other was to remove a cyst which was caused by overcompensating for the injured knee.
I don't really think it's fair to say he's injury prone and the eye injury was a freak accident no one could have foreseen.

You're right - I should have looked it up rather than relying on memory. But the insurance angle was huge and I still think they had no choice but to let him go. As stated many times previous by many board members, we can;'t judge it for another few years. But eve if it turns out wrong, that;s the way I think they had to play it.

I'm actually baffled at the number of people who think STAT had "double microfracture". I've seen it used in a RealGM Wiretap, heard it said on TNT and various times on these message boards...It's really weird actually. I'm not blaming you, I'm just seeing a random trend.

Post #45 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:22 pm

I think he gets mixed up with Kenyon Martin a lot.

Revived · Post #46 » by **Revived** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:12 am

If your gonna be a pro sports team owner, then you better devote like 90% of your time into it.

If not sell it to someone that will.

Post #47 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:00 am

sunsfan88 wrote:If your gonna be a pro sports team owner, then you better devote like 90% of your time into it.

If not sell it to someone that will.

Ideally yes, but most owners don't devote even close to that kind of time into their franchise. Even Mark Cuban doesn't devote 90% of his time to the Mavs. To pay the kind of salary the Mavs do year in and year out, Cuban has to devote his time to his other businesses.

I don't think it's about the time you devote to the team. It's more about how much you are devoted to winning. Giving the OK to good basketball decisions rather than always having a financial agenda behind every move, is more important imo.

impulsenine · Post #48 » by **impulsenine** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:08 pm

You don't get rich enough to own a franchise by not paying attention to getting and staying rich.

Sorry.

The best we as fans can hope is that he doesn't do anything dumb just because he is the owner.

Revived · Post #49 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:00 am

Is Al Davis interested in buying a NBA team with the NFL lockout and everything?

BurningHeart · Post #50 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:41 am

sunsfan88 wrote:Is Al Davis interested in buying a NBA team with the NFL lockout and everything?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk[/youtube]

Revived · Post #51 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:11 am

Hey at least we will have the most athletic team in the NBA if Al was our owner!!!

impulsenine · Post #52 » by **impulsenine** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:17 am

TheJohnWallShow wrote:therefor he has been healthy other than the time he took off to get his eye surgery, you cant convince me or anyone else with eyes differently.

I'm going to just leave this here

NYK lost by 3.

Post #53 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:33 am

impulsenine wrote:
TheJohnWallShow wrote:therefor he has been healthy other than the time he took off to get his eye surgery, you cant convince me or anyone else with eyes differently.

I'm going to just leave this here

NYK lost by 3.

Back spasms. Anyone can have them and has nothing to do with his knee.

thekillingtree · Post #54 » by **thekillingtree** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:23 pm

correct me if i'm wrong but didn't stoudemaire have 2 eye injuries? 1 in the preseason and then the serious one (that could've been prevented had he been wearing goggles like he was told to) that led him to miss the rest of the season? aside from that, injuries are injuries and all injuries are unpredictable. people saying the eye injury isn't on the same level as the knee injury is silly.

even further, i don't blame sarver for letting ama're walk. he has consistently proven that his desire to win fluctuates with whatever else is going on around him. i've never seen him give 100% for a full season. granted, his drive to succeed was never as bad as diaw's was, but that's a whole other story.

edit: speaking of stoudemaire, i can't tell you how tired of him i really am. i just moved out here from phx almost a year ago and i live a few blocks from MSG. let's not forget that my gf works for MSG making graphics for them with game footage and gets to tell me 'I WORKED ON PLAYER #1 TODAY'. -_-

impulsenine · Post #55 » by **impulsenine** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:21 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
impulsenine wrote:I'm going to just leave this here

Back spasms. Anyone can have them and has nothing to do with his knee.

I didn't say anything about his knee. JohnWall just seemed to be going a little overboard with his assertions about Amar'e's health, that's all.

mybloodisorange · Post #56 » by **mybloodisorange** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:02 pm

I cant blame Sarver for not offering Amare $100 with no injury clauses. The Suns medical staff is the best in the business and guess who was consulted during this process? People shouldnt judge his stay with New York on this year...i'm curious to see how years 3, 4 and 5 work out. Not to mention if Amare blows his knee out again (which is very likely) chances are he wont bounce back as fast if at all. His game is predicated on speed and explosiveness. The more injures that keep happening coupled with the fact that he is getting older (keep in mind hes been playing since he was 18 also-those tires have some wear on them) point to the fact that not only will his 100% miracle recovery be less likely this time and the he will lose another season at the minimum while on the books for 20 mil, he will be dead weight and completely untradeable.

Nobody will trade for an aging offensive star who doesnt rebound or play D with a history of major multiple injuries. Mark my words he will not age as gracefully as Hill or Nash, hes going to be another Carter.

YFZblu · Post #57 » by **YFZblu** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:55 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
impulsenine wrote:
TheJohnWallShow wrote:therefor he has been healthy other than the time he took off to get his eye surgery, you cant convince me or anyone else with eyes differently.

I'm going to just leave this here

NYK lost by 3.

Back spasms. Anyone can have them and has nothing to do with his knee.

The point is, he's often injured for one reason or another. It doesn't matter why---he's just not on the court.

Frank Lee · Post #58 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:22 pm

BurningHeart wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Is Al Davis interested in buying a NBA team with the NFL lockout and everything?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk[/youtube]

HAHAHA

I love that clip. On the long one, you can hear the crowd gasp. It was '81. He finally stopped the Borg's 5 yr Wimbledon run. Cracked up by his victory interview... " Hey New York... Party for me"... pip pip cheerio Queenie.

Just_Win · Post #59 » by **Just_Win** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:55 pm

He sucks! End of story.

nevetsov · Post #60 » by **nevetsov** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:28 am

When you're as wealthy as Sarver, you don't "need" to do anything, least of all what a bunch of people on an Internet forum say.