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"Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose?

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Re: "Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose? 

Post#41 » by TylerB » Mon May 2, 2011 7:28 am

Ruhiel wrote:
spot up shooters
* Kyle Korver
* Keith Bogans
* Luol Deng
spot up slashers who need to be set up
* Ronnie Brewer
* Luol Deng

Luol Deng is a smaller more athletic Turkoglu. I'd rather funnel Deng baseline to the Twin centers and stay solid and make him isolate rather than Rose.
Either way he used 17% of the teams possessions in the loss and 29% and 28.9% in the others where the Hawks played Twin Towers.
CJ Watson uses a higher number of possessions than Deng. This just yet again shows that Bulls have an extremely PG-iso-centric offense.

Either way if Smith cannot exploit/defend Deng then Williams will chase Deng off the 3 pt line and funnel him into bad shots he does not want to take.


Deng and Turkoglu are nothing alike. Deng attempts almost 6 field goals a game inside 10 feet while Turkoglu attempts less than 2. Plus Hedo in general is a garbage player who is washed up.

Watson plays very few minutes and is a chucker by nature so he likes to get his shots up quickly, thats more an indication of the Bulls personnel than the offensive system. The Bulls have very few good ball handlers. There is no shooting guard on the roster who can really initiate the offense and handle the ball. There are also no "point forward" players on the roster either.
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Re: "Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose? 

Post#42 » by Ruhiel » Mon May 2, 2011 8:24 am

TylerB wrote:
Ruhiel wrote:
spot up shooters
* Kyle Korver
* Keith Bogans
* Luol Deng
spot up slashers who need to be set up
* Ronnie Brewer
* Luol Deng

Luol Deng is a smaller more athletic Turkoglu. I'd rather funnel Deng baseline to the Twin centers and stay solid and make him isolate rather than Rose.
Either way he used 17% of the teams possessions in the loss and 29% and 28.9% in the others where the Hawks played Twin Towers.
CJ Watson uses a higher number of possessions than Deng. This just yet again shows that Bulls have an extremely PG-iso-centric offense.

Either way if Smith cannot exploit/defend Deng then Williams will chase Deng off the 3 pt line and funnel him into bad shots he does not want to take.


Deng and Turkoglu are nothing alike. Deng attempts almost 6 field goals a game inside 10 feet while Turkoglu attempts less than 2. Plus Hedo in general is a garbage player who is washed up.

Watson plays very few minutes and is a chucker by nature so he likes to get his shots up quickly, thats more an indication of the Bulls personnel than the offensive system. The Bulls have very few good ball handlers. There is no shooting guard on the roster who can really initiate the offense and handle the ball. There are also no "point forward" players on the roster either.


Deng and Turkoglu share similar TS% this year. Luol is athletic and trades 3s for pullup 2s and slashing, kind of like Rose so we funnel him to our bigs without fouling like Rose or try to make him use the majority of Rose's possessions. Combined with Rose's TS% Hawks Triple Towers lineup may hold them under 60 combined. #rebound#rebound#TripleTowers :eyebrows:
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Re: "Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose? 

Post#43 » by Cliff Levingston » Mon May 2, 2011 3:17 pm

One major reason the Bulls struggled against the Pacers much as they did was because Carlos Boozer was a total pud. For whatever reason (injuries, just sucking, who knows), he was terrible and didn't provide that reliable second option. It allowed the Pacers to double off him when needed, really blitz the Rose pick and roll and even trap him at half court to get the ball out. If Boozer is that bad again then that only helps the Hawks' ability to defend Rose.
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Post#44 » by cool007 » Mon May 2, 2011 5:21 pm

I think hawks fans act like other teams haven't tried "Jordan Rules" on Rose this year.

Just ask Jason Terry of Mavs as well. They did just that (although boozer was out). Their game plan was just that. Make it hard for Rose to score but have single coverage on him and let him beat you and shut others down - especially since No Boozer.

Guess what Rose carried the team to win anyway. There are so many teams tried that but were totally unsuccessful.

Things that might work with Dwight but won't with Rose.

Rose is a quick as hell.
Rose can pass has a PG mentality - meaning if someone tries to cheat and help out, he will find the open man.
Rose is also a top tier FT shooter - almost 90% in playoffs. You can't hack him or he will burn you at the FT line as well.
Rose is also CLUTCH and can take over in the 4th like only a few can.

Now as a team, why it would not work against Bulls:

Bulls are an ELITE team at rebounding.
Bulls are a TOP team on Defense. Meaning even if you get the stops, you will still have hard time scoring.
Bulls are DEEP and have a great depth.
Bulls also have in between games (Deng/Brewer as pretty good slashers) that Magic didn't have.

Not to mention coaching. I think Thibs is a much better coach than SVG.

None of that means that Bulls are guaranteed to win though. Hawks are a pretty good team and nobody should take them lightly. It's not easy to beat that Magic team and as an underdog, Hawks beat them fair and square.

I am sooooooooooo excited to see both teams play and see what is working and what is not working. For Bulls' sake, I hope Boozer is ready to play his normal game.
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Re: "Dwight rules" on Derrick Rose? 

Post#45 » by Cliff Levingston » Mon May 2, 2011 5:52 pm

Really Hawks fans, the "let Rose get his" idea just doesn't make sense, at all. If there's any knock on Rose, it's that he's still too much of a scorer and sometimes will miss the easy pass for an open jumper in favor of taking a tougher, lower percentage shot. The last thing you want to do is single cover him (even if you're sagging off) and make it easier for him to get a quality shot when he's such a good and creative scorer and his teammates often struggle with the ball on the perimeter.

The Bulls really don't have anyone else on the perimeter they can count on to create scoring chances. Deng, Bogans, Brewer and Korver all can't break their man down off the dribble one-on-one while Watson has some trouble there as well. Boozer is the only other one who can create some offense with Noah just a little bit if you leave him at the FT line. Logic would tell you to force the ball into their hands and make them do something they're not too good at. That's what the Pacers did and they played 4 out of 5 games really tough.
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Post#46 » by Ruhiel » Mon May 2, 2011 5:56 pm

"Jordan Rules" consists of 3 players devoted to guarding 1 player. Single coverage consists of 1 player devoted to defending 1 man.
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Post#47 » by Ruhiel » Tue May 3, 2011 3:21 am

Ruhiel wrote:"Jordan Rules" consists of 3 players devoted to guarding 1 player. Single coverage consists of 1 player devoted to defending 1 man.
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