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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#201 » by Indeed » Fri May 6, 2011 1:50 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:Any interest in Davis Bertans with a late pick? He's an 18-year old SF prospect from Latvia. Measured out at 6'10.5" in shoes (6'9" without), 210lbs at the Hoop Summit, with a 6'10.25" wingspan and 8'10" standing reach. His 3pt shooting would definitely help us.

I'm probably being delusional, but he kind of reminds me of another lanky young SF. With a late 1st/2nd rounder, I think this kid could be a real steal.


His defense is horrible, has no clue how to react to his man (poor footwork as well).
Even he has the height advantage, I would take Kleiza over him.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#202 » by prototype » Fri May 6, 2011 5:39 am

So who do you guys think is going to win the draft lottery? I've been having a feeling that Stern might give Detroit the first pick. They had the most drama this season with players and coach rivalries. They are a huge basketball city but their future looks bleak with disgruntled aged veterans and overpaid bench players.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#203 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri May 6, 2011 6:13 am

prototype wrote:So who do you guys think is going to win the draft lottery? I've been having a feeling that Stern might give Detroit the first pick. They had the most drama this season with players and coach rivalries. They are a huge basketball city but their future looks bleak with disgruntled aged veterans and overpaid bench players.


I honestly think it's going to be either the Raps or Sacramento. I have no idea though, it's a game of chance after all.
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Post#204 » by SkywalkerAC » Fri May 6, 2011 9:19 am

D Will would be sweet because he can start at the 3 and give you one of the most athletic swing combinations in the league while drastically improving our catch and shoot ability. then he can slide to the 4 when Jimmy John comes on. suddenly you've got a 3/4 rotation that you can count on with size, skill, and athleticism. his shooting ability and versatility are going to make him an impact guy from day 1. he not quite as explosive as Josh Smith or Marion were but Williams comes into the league with a shooting ability those two were never able to develop.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#205 » by Indeed » Fri May 6, 2011 2:12 pm

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prototype wrote:So who do you guys think is going to win the draft lottery? I've been having a feeling that Stern might give Detroit the first pick. They had the most drama this season with players and coach rivalries. They are a huge basketball city but their future looks bleak with disgruntled aged veterans and overpaid bench players.


I honestly think it's going to be either the Raps or Sacramento. I have no idea though, it's a game of chance after all.


I think it will be the Cleveland, then Washington and Toronto.
I believe Minnesota will drop to 3rd or 4th.

Both Minnesota and Sacramento never showed they want to compete, never do good trades, so why waste the good picks drop into their hands?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#206 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 6, 2011 2:46 pm

Bertans is interesting. I don't know about his rebounding ability but he's a shooter who can drive better than a Kapono. He can be a Miller-lite type of guy eventually. Funny that he's very different from Vesely at similar heights and position. He's more of a Euro-league shooter and Vesely is more of a skinny Griffin in his game.

I would draft him in the second-round since we need shooting.

Here's Leonard's report btw:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... nard-3695/

I think he would fit in well with this team. But he doesn't strengthen our weakness in shooting.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#207 » by Indeed » Fri May 6, 2011 2:59 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Bertans is interesting. I don't know about his rebounding ability but he's a shooter who can drive better than a Kapono. He can be a Miller-lite type of guy eventually. Funny that he's very different from Vesely at similar heights and position. He's more of a Euro-league shooter and Vesely is more of a skinny Griffin in his game.

I would draft him in the second-round since we need shooting.

Here's Leonard's report btw:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... nard-3695/

I think he would fit in well with this team. But he doesn't strengthen our weakness in shooting.


We don't have 2nd round pick. We traded for Delfino (now Amir), which is worthy imo.
I am not high on him, I would prefer someone has quickness to come off the bench and break opponent defense.

And I don't think our shooting is that bad, but since no one can create for others, our shooting will suffer (no open looks). However, we are stacked at the PG/SG with no good passer/court vision player.
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Post#208 » by Reignman » Fri May 6, 2011 3:02 pm

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Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.


Unless Kanter has injury issue, otherwise, Kanter should be the better player.
Kanter is more rounded, he has game in different aspect, which helps your teammates a lot.
As much as Ben Wallace can do, he needs much better offense surrounding him, and not every system fits his style of play (Chicago/Cleveland). So Kanter should be the better player if he measure out with some C attributes.


Ben Wallace needed the most pedestrian cast of teammates to win a championship in NBA history.


Woah! Let's not go overboard here. Detroit may not have had a superduper star ala Kobe/Durant/LBJ but they had 5 all-stars in that starting lineup.

Detroit may not have gone the 2 superstar route but they went the 5 all-star route which is no joke.

"pedestrian cast of teammates" is far from the way those Pistons were. More like a "starting lineup full of all-stars cast of teammates".

Put it this way, when you have Billups, Prince, Wallace and Sheed all defending it makes everyone's job that much easier. Hell, you add a defenive minded coach in Larry Brown to that and you have the makings of a very very good defense.
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Post#209 » by 5DOM » Fri May 6, 2011 3:15 pm

Saying the Pistons had the most pedestrian cast to win the Championship may be unfair, but at the same time the make-up of that team was definitely the most unusual. You might say they had 5 all stars, but they weren't exactly your typical all stars either. East was pretty weak then as well
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Post#210 » by wanker » Fri May 6, 2011 3:15 pm

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For those wondering how Valanciunas fared yesterday, here is his line:

17 min, 1 pt (0-2 fg, 1-2 ft), 2 rbs, 0 ast, 1 blk, 3 pf, 1 to

It is always a positive when the highest number of your line is in the PF column. But at least he didn't foul out, right?
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Post#211 » by Reignman » Fri May 6, 2011 3:19 pm

5DOM wrote:Saying the Pistons had the most pedestrian cast to win the Championship may be unfair, but at the same time the make-up of that team was definitely the most unusual. You might say they had 5 all stars, but they weren't exactly your typical all stars either. East was pretty weak then as well


Unusual yes, in any way shape or form weaker than others, absolutely not. Those guys had a 7 year run of ECFs and finals, that team was a beast.

It's just that a team like that is practically impossible to build and we probably won't see another one like it for a long time for those same reasons.
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Post#212 » by 5DOM » Fri May 6, 2011 3:20 pm

Actually make that 4 all stars. Forgot Prince didn't make the ASG
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Post#213 » by Reignman » Fri May 6, 2011 3:25 pm

5DOM wrote:Actually make that 4 all stars. Forgot Prince didn't make the ASG


Weird, I always thought he made an all-star game. Didn't they trot out all 5 guys in an all-star game once or am I remembering wrong? Either way, he was a borderline all-star for all intents and purposes.
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Post#214 » by 5DOM » Fri May 6, 2011 3:32 pm

I thought he did too lol. But then I've never watched the ASG carefully after VC left
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Post#215 » by gerrit4 » Fri May 6, 2011 3:36 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:D Will would be sweet because he can start at the 3 and give you one of the most athletic swing combinations in the league while drastically improving our catch and shoot ability. then he can slide to the 4 when Jimmy John comes on. suddenly you've got a 3/4 rotation that you can count on with size, skill, and athleticism. his shooting ability and versatility are going to make him an impact guy from day 1. he not quite as explosive as Josh Smith or Marion were but Williams comes into the league with a shooting ability those two were never able to develop.


I really hope that in a couple of weeks we'll be arguing Irving vs Williams for our pick.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#216 » by God Squad » Fri May 6, 2011 3:39 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
prototype wrote:So who do you guys think is going to win the draft lottery? I've been having a feeling that Stern might give Detroit the first pick. They had the most drama this season with players and coach rivalries. They are a huge basketball city but their future looks bleak with disgruntled aged veterans and overpaid bench players.


I honestly think it's going to be either the Raps or Sacramento. I have no idea though, it's a game of chance after all.

Yup I agree. Not sure why I think we could win it. But I do. I think Sac-town can win it because of the whole Anaheim thing.
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Post#217 » by Reignman » Fri May 6, 2011 3:49 pm

I jacked this article off the Bucks board mainly about Irving but one part in particular caught my attention where 2 NBA scouts said they had Kanter at #2 above D Will.

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_b095e33a-7607-11e0-be4e-001cc4c03286.html

While Irving is the preeminent player in this draft, according to those polled, the second-best player isn't as clear cut.

Forward Derrick Williams of Arizona was among three players who received second-place votes. Williams had four, second-place votes, edging center Enes Kanter of Turkey, who drew two votes. Lithuanian center Jonas Valanciunas received one vote.

Rounding out the top 10 draft prospects, according to those polled, are Connecticut point guard Kemba Walker, forward Jan Vesely of the Czech Republic, combo forward Terrence Jones of Kentucky, power forward Donatas Motiejunas of Lithuania, power forward Marcus Morris of Kansas and point guard Brandon Knight of Kentucky.

Others who received votes for being a top 10 selection were shooting guards Alec Burks of Colorado and Klay Thompson of Washington State, power forwards Tristan Thompson of Texas and Bismack Biyombo of Congo, point guard Jimmer Fredette of Brigham Young and small forward Kawhi Leonard of San Diego State.


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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#218 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Fri May 6, 2011 3:51 pm

ok then let D.Will drop to us whoever picks Kanter above D-Will thats a huge mistake IMO
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Post#219 » by Reignman » Fri May 6, 2011 3:56 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:ok then let D.Will drop to us whoever picks Kanter above D-Will thats a huge mistake IMO


These are veteran scouts talking, I wouldn't just gloss over it.

D Will might be a tweener and Kanter might just be the next Cousins. Not saying it'll happen but there must be a reason for these scouts to be that high on him.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#220 » by 5DOM » Fri May 6, 2011 3:57 pm

I hope another team does pick Kanter over Williams. That would make me so happy if we stay at 3
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