Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

Silk Wilkes · Post #961 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:07 pm

5DOM wrote:Taj Gibson best case scenario? Are you kidding?

Read what I said, not for Biyombo, but you clearly don't know how good Taj Gibson is.

Truthrising · Post #962 » by **Truthrising** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:07 pm

5DOM wrote:Taj Gibson best case scenario? Are you kidding?

I think your overrating this draft, this possibly could be the worst draft in NBA history, even worse than the Bargnani draft, I dont see any all-stars with this class.

Kevin Willis · Post #963 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:07 pm

Not sure about Leonard and Marion. He's not as quick off his feet and he didn't play for a fast break team so we don't know if that's his game. Both weren't greatest shooters. Mbah a Moute I can see.

He should stop doing the color thing.

Kanter - Hoford / Bass
Val - Noah / Poor man's TT
Vesely - Taller Prince / Al Thorton
Donut - Bargs / Bargs

bboyskinnylegs · Post #964 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:10 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Zarko wrote:Kemba and Knight don't do anything Bayless can't. All 3 have poor court vision, are good at creating their own shot but don't have explosiveness to really put teams in trouble.

Unless were getting a sure fire dynamic point guard, we shouldn't burn a pick on one. That leaves Biyombo, Kanter, Jonas, Vesely. Jonas looks like he needs 3-5 years to develop and Kanter has a bunch of ? marks. Don't know much about Vesely or Biyombo so this draft is a mystery to me.

Kemba was a pass-first point guard coming into his 1st two year but 3rd year all veterans were gone leaving him to take the whole offensive load in the team comprised of all new freshmens. He was pretty much known for having a good court vision throughout his high school and 1st two years at college and Kemba's quickness and speed makes him quite explosive. So go read draftexpress or go watch his games live before making accusation on Kemba.

Looking at the numbers, Kemba's assist rate in his first year (29.6%), 2nd year (30.7%), when he was more 'pass-first' and of course now in his 3rd year (19%) is less than Bayless' assist rate this whole year (36%).

Bankai · Post #965 » by **Bankai** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:11 pm

If we are trying to imitate the OKC model, I would say, draft the BPA Point Guard and look for a veteran Center in Free Agency. Having a veteran guy manning the paint and acting like the leader/older brother will rub off on the other guys defensively. I know its easier said then done for us, but it worked with Kristic and now Perkins. I would consider looking for the BPA SF as well. If only we could package guys like Jose/Bargnani/Evans for some picks. I rather trust Barbosa to come in and score points as the 6th man.

Post #966 » by **5DOM** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:13 pm

Youngblood wrote:
5DOM wrote:Taj Gibson best case scenario? Are you kidding?

Read what I said, not for Biyombo, but you clearly don't know how good Taj Gibson is.

Or you are clearly overrating Taj Gibson. Even in a weak draft like this one, it's not crazy to think a potential top 5 pick's worst case scenario is him. Biyombo's easily the superior prospect to Gibson when he was drafted.

Silk Wilkes · Post #967 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:14 pm

5DOM wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
5DOM wrote:Taj Gibson best case scenario? Are you kidding?

Read what I said, not for Biyombo, but you clearly don't know how good Taj Gibson is.

Or you are clearly overrating Taj Gibson. Even in a weak draft like this one, it's not crazy to think a potential top 5 pick's worst case scenario is him. Biyombo's easily the superior prospect to Gibson when he was drafted.

He's obviously a superior prospect but Taj is proven. Actually watch Taj play and then come back and talk trash about him. Biyombo would be lucky to be as good as Taj Gibson. I dare you to quote me on that and leave it up when you're proven wrong.

Hypz · Post #968 » by **Hypz** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:15 pm

Kemba or Knight or get rid of the pick.

ty123 · Post #969 » by **ty123** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:17 pm

Alec Burks also has a pretty high ceiling as well. Brandon Roy best case scenario.

T_Biggums · Post #970 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:18 pm

ty123 wrote:Alec Burks also has a pretty high ceiling as well. Brandon Roy best case scenario.

Absolutely NO jumper! a SG that can't shoot no thanks.

Post #971 » by **5DOM** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:18 pm

I've obviously watched Taj Gibson both in college and in the NBA, but proven or not Taj Gibson can't be the best case scenario for a potential top 5 player even in a weak draft like this one

Gibson (25y/o sophomore) is averaging 7/6/1 on 50TS% and 14.3PER.
I think those two dunks he had against Miami made you guys believe he's some amazing player.

ty123 · Post #972 » by **ty123** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:20 pm

I think Gibson was the worst case scennario.

Silk Wilkes · Post #973 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:20 pm

5DOM wrote:I've obviously watched Taj Gibson both in college and in the NBA, but proven or not Taj Gibson can't be the best case scenario for a potential top 5 player even in a weak draft like this one

Gibson (25y/o sophomore) is averaging 7/6/1 on 50TS% and 14.3PER.
I think those two dunks he had against Miami made you guys believe he's some amazing player.

Yea of course you'd say that. If I had no reason for bashing Taj and calling an unproven prospect better than him I'd reach for anything as well.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #974 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:21 pm

ty123 wrote:Alec Burks also has a pretty high ceiling as well. Brandon Roy best case scenario.

he does, although I think #5 is too high for him personally, and there's better options with our pick. I wonder if we could run a lineup with Bayless/Burks/DeMar... or would that be too small?

Post #975 » by **5DOM** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:22 pm

So what you are saying is that there shouldn't be a worst case scenario for anyone because none of these kids are proven.

Silk Wilkes · Post #976 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:23 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
ty123 wrote:Alec Burks also has a pretty high ceiling as well. Brandon Roy best case scenario.

he does, although I think #5 is too high for him personally, and there's better options with our pick. I wonder if we could run a lineup with Bayless/Burks/DeMar... or would that be too small?

I think if they bulk up it's possible. I mean, Boston runs out Rondo, Allen and Pierce.

Truthrising · Post #977 » by **Truthrising** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:23 pm

5DOM wrote:I've obviously watched Taj Gibson both in college and in the NBA, but proven or not Taj Gibson can't be the best case scenario for a potential top 5 player even in a weak draft like this one

Gibson (25y/o sophomore) is averaging 7/6/1 on 50TS% and 14.3PER.
I think those two dunks he had against Miami made you guys believe he's some amazing player.

Givony said Gibson would be the worst case scenario for Biyombo in which case he's clearly over-rating the guy.

But at the end of the day, I wouldn't mind if the Raps take a flier on this guy cause he's has the potential in being a Serge Ibaka type player

TheRealDeal · Post #978 » by **TheRealDeal** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:25 pm

JonathanG wrote:
mid-post wrote:I think player comparisons should be thought of more as a style comparison rather than how the prospect will pan out statistically. Because the latter is ridiculously difficult to predict. That's how I give my player comparisons anyway.

The problem is that you can't explain that every time, so people take them way too literally. Nevertheless, I will try to post comparisons for at least the top-20 guys in the draft, if not more.

T_Biggums · Post #979 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:27 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
ty123 wrote:Alec Burks also has a pretty high ceiling as well. Brandon Roy best case scenario.

he does, although I think #5 is too high for him personally, and there's better options with our pick. I wonder if we could run a lineup with Bayless/Burks/DeMar... or would that be too small?

I would implore you guys to watch footage of him on draftexpress. He has a good handle but man is he an awful jumper shooter. With Demar already on the team we need someone on the perimeter to stretch the defense.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alec-Burks-5819/

Silk Wilkes · Post #980 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:27 pm

5DOM wrote:So what you are saying is that there shouldn't be a worst case scenario for anyone because none of these kids are proven.

No, what I'm saying is that calling Taj Gibson a worst case scenario for a guy who's high risk, high reward (which means his floor is an absolute bust, NOT Taj Gibson) is a joke. If that were true, Biyombo would be top-3, like I said, fairly easily in a draft that's apparently this weak. It's completely undervaluing what Gibson does for his team. Just use common sense. Knowing what you know; if you could get a prospect with the worst case scenario guaranteed to be Taj Gibson in this draft don't you take him right after Irving and Williams? Now look at where Biyombo is projected. It's that easy!