POLL ADDED: Minny Re-Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND

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POLL ADDED: Minny Re-Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#1 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 5:53 am

Done once cap space is in effect.


Philly:
Iggy
for
Wes Johnson, Pekovic, #20, $5m TPE

Holiday / L.Williams
Turner / Meeks
W.Johnson / #16 / Nocioni
T.Young / Brand / Brackins
Speights / Pekovic / #20

-Allows resigning Thad more feasible
-Gets rid of all non-rookie contracts past next season other than Brand
-In line with the rebuild Thorn alluded to when speaking of Iggy's future


Indy:
Granger, Rush
for
Beasley , AR, Webster, Flynn, $3m Cash

Collison / Flynn / Price
George / D.Jones / Stephenson
Beasley / Webster / Posey
Hansbrough / Randolph
Hibbert / #15
+
#42 Stashed in Europe for roster room

-uses ~$2m of their $20+m in cap and becomes a much deeper team
-A core of young players to continue to grow with, with still ~$20m in cap


Minny
Wes, Beasley, AR, Flynn, Webster, Pekovic, #20, $3m Cash
for
Iggy, Granger, Rush

Rubio / Ridnour
Iggy / Ellington / Rush
Granger / Hayward
Love / Tolliver
Kanter (#2) / Darko

-Other than Miami, arguably the best wing pairing in the game
-Keeps Love, Rubio and #2.



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To appease Indy and Philly fans (if they can come to a consensus) the following pieces are basically interchangeable:

W.Johnson and Beasley
Pekovic and Flynn
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#2 » by Foshan » Fri May 20, 2011 6:07 am

Great title, Philly says hell no.

LWill is playing waaaay better than Flynn, is only 2 yrs older, and not paid much more...

Philly wants nothing to do with Beasley. And 'all that money' Philly is saving would have to go into resigning Beasley to a long term deal or we just parted with Iggy for nothing. No thanks.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#3 » by john2jer » Fri May 20, 2011 6:34 am

Not realistic, but the wolves say hell yes.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#4 » by Pacersike » Fri May 20, 2011 7:47 am

No thanks.

I don't see Wesley Johnson becoming a better player than Granger.

Nobody in the rest of the package makes it worthwhile to go from proven to unproven.


ps including Stephenson doesn't help either
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#5 » by Wizop » Fri May 20, 2011 11:43 am

try a much smaller Indy deal. what would you give for Rush? Pekovic works for us.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#6 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 2:19 pm

REVISED based upon comments.


Philly:
Iggy
for
Wes Johnson, Flynn, #20, $5m TPE


Indy:
Granger, Rush
for
Beasley, AR, Webster, Pekovic, Future #2


Minny
Wes, Beasley, AR, Flynn, Webster, Pekovic, #20, F #2
for
Iggy, Granger, Rush


Since Philly wanted to complain about getting Beasley and Indy complained about getting Wes I switched them. And while Beasley isn't exactly Mr. Perfect he seems to have cleaned up his act in Minny and been a quality teammate. L.Williams and Stephenson have also been removed.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#7 » by Esohny » Fri May 20, 2011 3:01 pm

I'd much rather leave Granger alone and make a deal with Philly for Iggy that doesn't include the #2 pick. Then I'd use the #2 through draft or trade to get a starting center.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#8 » by eToasT » Fri May 20, 2011 3:46 pm

Esohny wrote:I'd much rather leave Granger alone and make a deal with Philly for Iggy that doesn't include the #2 pick. Then I'd use the #2 through draft or trade to get a starting center.


I dont think this trade is proposing we move the #2

I'd rather get Bismack than Kanter with that lineup though

Rubio
Iggy
Granger
Love
Biyombo

now that is a different look than last year
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#9 » by Swimmer » Fri May 20, 2011 3:53 pm

I would still easily do this as a Minnesota fan.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#10 » by Esohny » Fri May 20, 2011 4:06 pm

eToasT wrote:
Esohny wrote:I'd much rather leave Granger alone and make a deal with Philly for Iggy that doesn't include the #2 pick. Then I'd use the #2 through draft or trade to get a starting center.


I dont think this trade is proposing we move the #2

I'd rather get Bismack than Kanter with that lineup though

Rubio
Iggy
Granger
Love
Biyombo

now that is a different look than last year


Yep, I interpreted that as the #2 pick, but he likely meant 2nd rounder. I would certainly do the trade then, since there would still be ammo to get that center.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#11 » by BringBackKorver » Fri May 20, 2011 4:30 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Philly:
Iggy
for
Wes Johnson, Flynn, #20, $5m TPE


Swap Flynn for Darko or Pekovic and most Philly fans are okay with this. I'm okay with Beasley in a deal but I think we need a little more in the deal.

An Iguodala / Beasley deal I'd be okay with:

Iguodala, Speights, Brackins for Beasley, Darko, Randolph, #20?
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#12 » by Pacersike » Fri May 20, 2011 4:35 pm

The "Future" doesn't need to be in in the revised trade. It is good enough without it.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#13 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 4:39 pm

BringBackKorver wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Philly:
Iggy
for
Wes Johnson, Flynn, #20, $5m TPE


Swap Flynn for Darko or Pekovic and most Philly fans are okay with this. I'm okay with Beasley in a deal but I think we need a little more in the deal.

An Iguodala / Beasley deal I'd be okay with:

Iguodala, Speights, Brackins for Beasley, Darko, Randolph, #20?


How's this:

Philly:
Iggy
for
Wes Johnson or Beasley, Pekovic, #20, $5m TPE

Holiday / L.Williams
Turner / Meeks
T.Young / #16 / Nocioni
Beasley / Brand / Brackins
Speights / Pekovic / #20


Indy:
Granger, Rush
for
Beasley or Wes, AR, Webster, Flynn, Future #2

Collison / Flynn / Price
George / D.Jones / Stephenson
Beasley / Webster / Posey
Hansbrough / Randolph
Hibbert / #15
+
#42 Stashed in Europe for roster room as they would still have about $20m in cap room


Minny
Wes, Beasley, AR, Flynn, Webster, Pekovic, #20, F #2
for
Iggy, Granger, Rush

Rubio / Ridnour
Iggy / Ellington / Rush
Granger / Hayward
Love / Tolliver
Kanter (#2) / Darko
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Re: Revised: Minny Re-Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#14 » by BringBackKorver » Fri May 20, 2011 4:49 pm

I have a feeling we'll be settling for something like that as a return for Iguodala. It's one of those packages that you say "yeah, the value is right, but am I really that excited about it?"
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#15 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri May 20, 2011 4:53 pm

I'm probably in the minority, but I would much rather have Flynn then Pekovic. Cheaper. Younger. More potential. Neither played well. But I'm considerable more comfortable with hoping Flynn recovers some value then having Pevokic locked up for another 9.5 million over two years.

(And I'm curious if this trade can change one more time before 3 Pacer fans all chime in with Beasley doesn't fit the attitude the Pacers are crafting post brawl, send him elsewhere complaints.)
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Post#16 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 4:57 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I'm probably in the minority, but I would much rather have Flynn then Pekovic. Cheaper. Younger. More potential. Neither played well. But I'm considerable more comfortable with hoping Flynn recovers some value then having Pevokic locked up for another 9.5 million over two years.

(And I'm curious if this trade can change one more time before 3 Pacer fans all chime in with Beasley doesn't fit the attitude the Pacers are crafting post brawl, send him elsewhere complaints.)

So basically I should say this:

Philly:
Iggy
for
W.Johnson or Beasley
Pekovic or Flynn
#20
$5m TPE


Indy:
Granger, Rush
for
Beasley or W.Johnson
Flynn or Pekovic
AR
Webster
Future #2

And let you guys fight it out?
Overall, I think the value is pretty fair.
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Re: Minny Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#17 » by SO_MONEY » Fri May 20, 2011 5:05 pm

Esohny wrote:I'd much rather leave Granger alone and make a deal with Philly for Iggy that doesn't include the #2 pick. Then I'd use the #2 through draft or trade to get a starting center.


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Post#18 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 5:07 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
Esohny wrote:I'd much rather leave Granger alone and make a deal with Philly for Iggy that doesn't include the #2 pick. Then I'd use the #2 through draft or trade to get a starting center.


+1

The #2 isn't in here.. it is a future 2nd, but I'm going to remove to avoid confusion.
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Re: Revised: Minny Re-Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#19 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri May 20, 2011 5:08 pm

Maybe to cover all bases, best to include it as the following:


Trader_Joe wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I'm probably in the minority, but I would much rather have Flynn then Pekovic. Cheaper. Younger. More potential. Neither played well. But I'm considerable more comfortable with hoping Flynn recovers some value then having Pevokic locked up for another 9.5 million over two years.

(And I'm curious if this trade can change one more time before 3 Pacer fans all chime in with Beasley doesn't fit the attitude the Pacers are crafting post brawl, send him elsewhere complaints.)

So basically I should say this:

Philly:
Iggy or Turner and Brackins
for
W.Johnson or Beasley
Pekovic or Flynn
#20
$5m TPE


Indy:
Granger, Rush or George and Hansbrough
for
Beasley or W.Johnson
Flynn or Pekovic
AR
Webster
Future #2

And let you guys fight it out?
Overall, I think the value is pretty fair.
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Re: Revised: Minny Re-Orders some Wings w/PHI + IND 

Post#20 » by Trader_Joe » Fri May 20, 2011 5:09 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:Maybe to cover all bases, best to include it as the following:


Trader_Joe wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I'm probably in the minority, but I would much rather have Flynn then Pekovic. Cheaper. Younger. More potential. Neither played well. But I'm considerable more comfortable with hoping Flynn recovers some value then having Pevokic locked up for another 9.5 million over two years.

(And I'm curious if this trade can change one more time before 3 Pacer fans all chime in with Beasley doesn't fit the attitude the Pacers are crafting post brawl, send him elsewhere complaints.)

So basically I should say this:

Philly:
Iggy or Turner and Brackins
for
W.Johnson or Beasley
Pekovic or Flynn
#20
$5m TPE


Indy:
Granger, Rush or George and Hansbrough
for
Beasley or W.Johnson
Flynn or Pekovic
AR
Webster
Future #2

And let you guys fight it out?
Overall, I think the value is pretty fair.

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