Official Transaction Ideas thread

Shamizy · Post #941 » by **Shamizy** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 6:48 am

TRWJINC wrote:would you guys consider this trade

Boozer + 1st Rounder for
Odom and Artest

Boozer is worse than buttcrack. No thanks.

Doormatt · Post #942 » by **Doormatt** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 7:02 am

we wouldnt even consider odom for boozer, why would we throw in artest? contrary to what some people believe, artest is still a good player.

LApwnd · Post #943 » by **LApwnd** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 8:19 pm

only take Boozer if Chi was still paying his salary otherwise PASS lol.

AFunk · Post #944 » by **AFunk** » Fri Jun 3, 2011 10:33 pm

AI-in-LA wrote:
Doormatt wrote:if you think bynum can get us cp3, then youre dreaming.

dont know what else to tell you.

Naw dude, Bynum and filler could easily net us CP3. I've covered this in detail before for the huge CP3 fan who posted and he understood my post perfectly.

Our competition for CP3 is Orlando, New York and the Clips ... New York has nothing to offer and will hope CP# is a FA so they can sign him outright ... Orlando's best offer would be a garbage package featuring Jameer Nelson ... I don't care if Bynum has only plaed 25 games a year, the Hornets would rather have Bynum then Nelson any day. That leaves the Clips are our only legit competition ... they could offer Mo Williams, Eric Gordon, Kamaan, cash and future picks for CP3 and Okafor which is a solid offer but one without any real star power ... Kamaan is average, Mo Williams is an average player with a bad contract and Eric Gordon has top 5 SG potential ... nice, but nothing like the top-2 center potential Bynum offers.

Hawks fan here...

Do you think a proposal involving Jeff Teague and either Josh Smith or Al Horford could net us Chris Paul? Would you rather have Bynum or Teague/Horford? I think Chris Paul could make Josh Smith look like a borderline all-star caliber talent.

Jeff Teague - Al Horford - Marvin Williams - Zaza Pachulia + Future Pick for Chris Paul - Emeka Okafor

Hawks >>> CP3 - Joe - FA - Smith - Okafor >>> 6th man - Hinrich
Hornets >>> Teague - FA - Ariza - West - Horford
I'm a big fan of Bynum's potential. For those of you that are Lakers fans, how real is this 'injury' issue?

stankubrick13 · Post #945 » by **stankubrick13** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 1:31 am

IDEA - mike brown has been talking about gasol and bynum a lot, and not really odom. ive thought for a bit that he's gonna be the one to get traded...so what do you guys think about this idea?

lal out: Odom, Fisher, Artest, 2011 1st, 2012 1st
lal in: Jennings, Salmons, Gooden, Brockman

mil in: Odom, artest, fisher, (2) 1st rd picks
mil out: jennings, salmoms, gooden, brockman

mil gets a great 4 to play with bogut while shedding a ton of salary, they also pick up some 1st rd picks. they can waive fish and save even more money. also, if they were to get odom, they would probably want to give up gooden considering then they would have odom/ilyasova, and gooden, and gooden makes a ton, for not being a starter.

la gets a quick pg to push the ball, like mike brown wants, a starting caliber 3 in salmons (or our new 6th man with barnes starting) and we get a serviceable big in gooden who can play with either gasol or bynum.

I mean, i don't love it, but I think I would pull the trigger...

thoughts?

Jetset · Post #946 » by **Jetset** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:30 am

We don't have a 2011 1st and we can't trade our 2012 1st, because we traded our 2011 1st. The next 1st rounder we can trade away is 2013 and that just seems too far away for the Bucks to accept it.

As to that Hawks fan, no you wouldn't be able to swing a Paul deal with the pieces Atlanta has. Horford is an intriguing piece and Teague is a promising PG, but it would certainly take more than that to get the Hornets franchise player. Oh injury is a real issue with Bynum, because every time he goes up in the air for the ball you hold your breath hoping that he comes down intact. Every time. Because there's seemingly always a chance he'll be going up and he won't be coming down without some sort of injury.

anarchy24 · Post #947 » by **anarchy24** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 9:11 am

Jetset wrote:We don't have a 2011 1st and we can't trade our 2012 1st, because we traded our 2011 1st. The next 1st rounder we can trade away is 2013 and that just seems too far away for the Bucks to accept it.

I thought they can trade the pick on draft day. Like what they did with Toney Douglas.

AFunk · Post #948 » by **AFunk** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 1:03 pm

Thanks, Jetset.

I certainly didn't think that Horford/Teague would be the best offer that NO would receive but I think it would be a competitive offer if they decided to go with youth.

As much as I see the value in having the huge center (Bynum), if I were a GM, I just couldn't give away a significant piece with health being such a question mark.

Jetset · Post #949 » by **Jetset** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 1:29 pm

AFunk wrote:Thanks, Jetset.

I certainly didn't think that Horford/Teague would be the best offer that NO would receive but I think it would be a competitive offer if they decided to go with youth.

As much as I see the value in having the huge center (Bynum), if I were a GM, I just couldn't give away a significant piece with health being such a question mark.

No problem. And yes Horford + Teague would be a great package for CP3 and I'm sure they'd consider it but you'd need something else added in it to make it more appealing.

And I agree. But you can't overlook potential, and Bynum certainly has loads of it. The only reason why Bynum still has trade value is because of his potential.

Doormatt · Post #950 » by **Doormatt** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 1:49 pm

What?? That's not the only reason Bynum has trade value. He's a great center right now when healthy, capable of averaging around 15/9 with elite defense. The reason his trade value is high imo, is because there's a dearth of talent at center in the league.

Jetset · Post #951 » by **Jetset** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 2:03 pm

Doormatt wrote:What?? That's not the only reason Bynum has trade value. He's a great center right now when healthy, capable of averaging around 15/9 with elite defense. The reason his trade value is high imo, is because there's a dearth of talent at center in the league.

That's just it. When healthy. He's only healthy for little spurts, then an injury will occur and he'll either be out some games or for the next 2-3 games he'll play like trash to avoid another injury. It's a reoccurring theme with him. Bynum hasn't nearly reached what he could become and that's attributed to the amount of injuries and huge amounts of time off he's had because of them. I can promise you it's not just what he's shown so far as to why teams would take a chance on him, it's what he's still capable of becoming if he's healthy. Which goes back to my original premise of him somewhat living off potential, and as you said the lack of depth in the league at his position.

real2wheel · Post #952 » by **real2wheel** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:03 pm

As of right now, what is the value of Kobe? Obviously he is not as valuable as Lebron, Rose, Wade, Durant (sad, but true). But since he is the highest paid player in the NBA and eating a great chunk of the roster salary, what would be a good trade for Kobe if this were to hypothetically happen? (I know he has a no trade clause so no need to tell me).

I have a feeling the Lakers are entering a "slow death" mode as the Heat (despite their game 2 collapse) are entering dynasty mode. Kobe with his humongous salary might in fact hurt the Lakers. I know Kobe homers don't want to hear it, but Kobe is entering exponentially declining age and there is nothing they can do about it.

iamworthy · Post #953 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:10 pm

No one knows what the heat are going to be. The word Dynasty is used far to often especially when there has been so few of them. Kobe's value goes far beyond his paycheck....hell he's underpaid. Im not trading Kobe....period. This laker team is far from a slow death....I know this is realgm (where what have you done for me exist) but c'mon. We still have a solid core. Asking a question like what can the lakers get for kobe is just silly. As if they would trade the franchise.

LascelleL · Post #954 » by **LascelleL** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:51 pm

Outside of the No-Trade clause and the fact the Buss family is a classy one...Kobe brings in so much revenue that trading him for anyone outside of maybe...MAYBE LeBron isn't going to work

vmor · Post #955 » by **vmor** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:21 pm

LascelleL wrote:Outside of the No-Trade clause and the fact the Buss family is a classy one...Kobe brings in so much revenue that trading him for anyone outside of maybe...MAYBE LeBron isn't going to work

Agreed; luckily not Dr. Buss's style... but I wonder about Jim Buss + Bynum's future link: the thought of Kobe for Dwill or Paul doesn't sound too far fetched in that light.

JMillott · Post #956 » by **JMillott** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:22 pm

First of all, you don't trade him when you still have a roster that is capable of winning it all for at least three more years. Second, he brings in a ton of money for the Lakers and is one of those guys that i'd imagine the Lakers have no intention of seeing in a different uniform at any point.

Third and perhaps most importantly, they can't trade him because of his contract and i'm not even talking about his no trade clause i'm talking about how high his salary is and with his trade kicker pushing it even higher it makes it damn near impossible for the Lakers to deal him without having to eat some bad contracts in the process and still needing to get actual talent back for him.

How on earth are they going to get assets worthy of being traded for him and not have to eat some terrible deals? I just don't see any team in the NBA who can offer assets worth trading for Kobe, making it work under the cap and still keep enough on hand to contend with Kobe after trading for him.

Remember nobody is going to deal for a 33 year old SG making basically half of the salary cap or more without it making them the hands down favorites. So basically, just enjoy cheering for the guy while you can and take comfort knowing that even if he can't bring home a sixth title that he'll entertain you guys and likely make a run at the alltime scoring mark.

Gek · Post #957 » by **Gek** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:25 pm

iamworthy wrote:...hell he's underpaid.

I'm sorry, he's not worth $25-30 million.

iamworthy · Post #958 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:47 pm

G=K wrote:
iamworthy wrote:...hell he's underpaid.

I'm sorry, he's not worth $25-30 million.

Really?!?! I think Dr. Buss would disagree with you. Kobe is easily making the lakers much more than they are paying him.

DEEP3CL · Post #959 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 6:13 pm

real2wheel wrote:As of right now, what is the value of Kobe? Obviously he is not as valuable as Lebron, Rose, Wade, Durant (sad, but true). But since he is the highest paid player in the NBA and eating a great chunk of the roster salary, what would be a good trade for Kobe if this were to hypothetically happen? (I know he has a no trade clause so no need to tell me).

I have a feeling the Lakers are entering a "slow death" mode as the Heat (despite their game 2 collapse) are entering dynasty mode. Kobe with his humongous salary might in fact hurt the Lakers. I know Kobe homers don't want to hear it, but Kobe is entering exponentially declining age and there is nothing they can do about it.

You know I use to argue these types of threads vigorously, but now the more controlled DEEP will let you down easy........

You have no clue how the Lakers work son, everything you stated is hurting or will hurt every contending team in this league from just breezing away with titles. The Heat AREN'T entering dynasty mode. Their window is about as big as the Lakers was 4 years ago.

Get outta here with this pipe dream wishing and hoping.

iamworthy · Post #960 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 4, 2011 6:23 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:
real2wheel wrote:As of right now, what is the value of Kobe? Obviously he is not as valuable as Lebron, Rose, Wade, Durant (sad, but true). But since he is the highest paid player in the NBA and eating a great chunk of the roster salary, what would be a good trade for Kobe if this were to hypothetically happen? (I know he has a no trade clause so no need to tell me).

I have a feeling the Lakers are entering a "slow death" mode as the Heat (despite their game 2 collapse) are entering dynasty mode. Kobe with his humongous salary might in fact hurt the Lakers. I know Kobe homers don't want to hear it, but Kobe is entering exponentially declining age and there is nothing they can do about it.

You know I use to argue these types of threads vigorously, but now the more controlled DEEP will let you down easy........

You have no clue how the Lakers work son, everything you stated is hurting or will hurt every contending team in this league from just breezing away with titles. The Heat AREN'T entering dynasty mode. Their window is about as big as the Lakers was 4 years ago.

Get outta here with this pipe dream wishing and hoping.

Couple of lines I want to point out in deeps reply that made me :rofl:

the more controlled DEEP will let you down easy :lol:

You have no clue how the Lakers work son :lol:

Dont hurt'em hammer!