Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1301 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:51 pm

andyo wrote:ballocks probably was exaggerating when he made the Sabonis reference but everything he said is correct. We use a pick on Vesley or Val, and a large majority of the fan base will revolt.

good for them, I don't think perceived discontent from the fanbase (based on nothing but the continent that a player comes from) should stop BC from taking who he feels is the best talent for our team.

fredericklove · Post #1302 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:51 pm

Reignman wrote:If that happens:

Man, I just hope we can get 1 of Irving/Kanter/DWill/Knight. J Val would be my 5th pick if those others go top 4.

5th pick used on J Val ?

phailing101 · Post #1303 » by **phailing101** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:53 pm

Ya, Ballocks took it way too far assuming a player would fail only because he's European.

He was correct in saying it would be an EXTREMELY challenging atmosphere to play in though. No doubt about that.

Truthrising · Post #1304 » by **Truthrising** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:53 pm

OH crap I sense if we draft any EURO's all hell's gonna break loose! I cant wait!

nowayguy · Post #1305 » by **nowayguy** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:54 pm

andyo wrote:ballocks probably was exaggerating when he made the Sabonis reference but everything he said is correct. We use a pick on Vesley or Val, and a large majority of the fan base will revolt.

Fans would change their tune quickly if the player turned out to be good.

Post #1306 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:57 pm

truthrising wrote:OH crap I sense if we draft any EURO's all hell's gonna break loose! I cant wait!

I don't think many people will be upset if we take Kanter. Even Val I don't think would elicit that much angst.

Vesely might be a different story.

Reignman · Post #1307 » by **Reignman** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:59 pm

Vesely would get killed in Raptorland, that's for sure.

It won't matter where they're from as long as they show something on the defensive end or are offensive dynamos. Vesely is neither.

Truthrising · Post #1308 » by **Truthrising** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:04 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
truthrising wrote:OH crap I sense if we draft any EURO's all hell's gonna break loose! I cant wait!

I don't think many people will be upset if we take Kanter. Even Val I don't think would elicit that much angst.

Vesely might be a different story.

We'll see, I think a lot of people have misperceptions about Euro's ever since we've drafted Bargnani and now they're wear of drafting any more euro's especially if they're a big. you know there's always been jokes going about "no more euro's! " etc.. I really think some of them are serious about that.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1309 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:06 pm

I don't even think Vesely would get bashed all that much, since he does play a very aggressive, in your face style of game attacking the rim and dunking... although personally I just don't think he's going to be as valuable a contributor overall as any of the C's or PGs can be, and it would be premature to waste a pick on him when next year's draft (really anywhere in the lottery) is full of significantly better SF prospects (Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes/P.Jones, even other guys like Adonis Thomas, Terrence Jones, LeBryan Nash). I'd feel the same way about drafting Kawhi as well.

McFurious1 · Post #1310 » by **McFurious1** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:06 pm

Just take Walker and call it a day.

Post #1311 » by **5DOM** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:07 pm

If it's true that Vesely plays hard and with toughness, I think it's more likely that he becomes a fan favorite with his dunks.

Post #1312 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:08 pm

5DOM wrote:If it's true that Vesely plays hard and with toughness, I think it's more likely that he becomes a fan favorite with his dunks.

Only if he's good, though. If we draft him at 5 and he sucks at most things other than dunking, I don't think he'll be all that popular.

highness · Post #1313 » by **highness** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:09 pm

Yes, let's use a top 5 pick on a guy who dunks but can't do much of anything else.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1314 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:10 pm

Vesely will thrive on a team that has a PG to run with him in transition. Personally, I think he'd be great with Walker running things, because he knows how to get open off backdoor cuts, just how much he moves overall.

Post #1315 » by **5DOM** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:10 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
5DOM wrote:If it's true that Vesely plays hard and with toughness, I think it's more likely that he becomes a fan favorite with his dunks.

Only if he's good, though. If we draft him at 5 and he sucks at most things other than dunking, I don't think he'll be all that popular.

Of course, but that goes for every player in the draft. I just don't think he's going to get hated just because of where he's from.

prototype · Post #1316 » by **prototype** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:12 pm

Vesley sounds like Gerald Green. Good at dunking without any other basketball skills. I'd rather keep Bargnani than have Vesley on the team.

Truthrising · Post #1317 » by **Truthrising** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:13 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:I don't even think Vesely would get bashed all that much, since he does play a very aggressive, in your face style of game attacking the rim and dunking... although personally I just don't think he's going to be as valuable a contributor overall as any of the C's or PGs can be, and it would be premature to waste a pick on him when next year's draft (really anywhere in the lottery) is full of significantly better SF prospects (Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes/P.Jones, even other guys like Adonis Thomas, Terrence Jones, LeBryan Nash). I'd feel the same way about drafting Kawhi as well.

EXACTLY...it' pretty much a waste of a pick to draft any SF's this, they're all pretty much inferior to the crop of SF's in next years draft. That would be really bad strategy wise in BC's part and i'm pretty sure he's taking into account in next years draft and who's available prior to making any selections for this years draft.

Indeed · Post #1318 » by **Indeed** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:17 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
5DOM wrote:If it's true that Vesely plays hard and with toughness, I think it's more likely that he becomes a fan favorite with his dunks.

Only if he's good, though. If we draft him at 5 and he sucks at most things other than dunking, I don't think he'll be all that popular.

We don't know if Kanter can play the 5 neither.
I am high on Vesely, but we need to trade 2 of Kleiza/Davis/Amir to make room for him. Maybe then add Bismack for the return.

yayotube · Post #1319 » by **yayotube** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:18 pm

Vesley or Val are OK if they are drafted with a second 1st rounder. We didn't suffer all year and support tank nation for nothing.

rocket2981 · Post #1320 » by **rocket2981** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:19 pm

All this Euro fear is a joke. The fans will love/hate a player based on what they see on the floor. For what I read/saw on film, both Jonas and Jan are very intense/high motor players who are both agressive on offense and defense making them both fan favorites for the type of crowd we have. Reggie and Pops were fan favorites in Toronto.

Personnally, my board after the 2 usual suspects is:

Jonas
Knight
Kanter
Vesely

I don't think Vesely would be a good fit for the Raptors unless Amir or Ed Davis is traded. I see him as a combo forward who doesn't have the outside shot to pair him with Demar full-time at the 3 but I think he'll be a nice player.