Jimmer, Knight, Walker showdown in Utah

[StocktonShorts]

You can only get an in-person sense of an individuals decision making and passing skills in a competitive workout.

With so much actual game footage what do you think you could possible learn by spending a few minutes in a gym with a guy in simulated situations? What he smells like, maybe?

A guy like Knight isn't going to hurt his stock at all by not doing competitive workouts.

I'm also convinced that for the Jazz, 75% of the reason for bringing guys in to work out is really to interview them. I base this on things I've heard Rigby, KOC and Scott Layden say, as well as the fact that they've drafted so many guys without a workout.

[Awoooga]

I read Jimmer outplayed Kemba. Makes things interesting.

[CarrKeefe]

You can only get an in-person sense of an individuals decision making and passing skills in a competitive workout.

With so much actual game footage what do you think you could possible learn by spending a few minutes in a gym with a guy in simulated situations? What he smells like, maybe?

I'm talking about Brandon Knight.

You get the opportunity to show a group of guys a set of your own plays and run them through those plays. You can see how well each player executes those plays and the decision making of that individual in what option they went to whether that be an ill-advised shot, bad pass, or the perfect pass. In a huge workout like today, you also get to see which players rise to the occasion, pressure, and the competition and play well. That's exactly what Jimmer did today and exactly what Knight could have done and could have solidified himself as the third overall pick.

[reapaman]

At the end of the day, the Jazz are not gonna pick Kemba or Jimmer #3, no chance. What does beating them out do for Knight? Nothing because the main question is would he be a better pick than Kanter (or veasly and Jonas I guess). Its not like Kanter did a group workout for the Jazz and he has way more questions than Knight does. Workouts and even the interviews mean nothing because youve seen these guys in many different settings alot way before he workouts begin.

Plus I have zero questions about Knight. He's fine, nothing that can't improve with hard work which won't be a problem since he has a great work ethic.

[RaulLopez]

I'm talking about Brandon Knight.

You get the opportunity to show a group of guys a set of your own plays and run them through those plays. You can see how well each player executes those plays and the decision making of that individual in what option they went to whether that be an ill-advised shot, bad pass, or the perfect pass. In a huge workout like today, you also get to see which players rise to the occasion, pressure, and the competition and play well. That's exactly what Jimmer did today and exactly what Knight could have done and could have solidified himself as the third overall pick.

I completely agree. Which is why if the Jazz draft a PG at 3, I think that should be Jimmer and not Knight. I question Knights BB IQ anyway, to me he is not a passer. Does he create for himself and defend well, yes. He reminds me a lot of Jason Terry, which I mean is not a bad thing and he can not shoot like Terry right now.

I personally am thinking the Jazz go center and see what is there at 12 (hopefully an OK wing), as they already have a good PG. But we will see. If I had control of the 3rd pick, I would take Jonas Valanciunas (With Irving and Williams going 1 and 2). Not sure how often a guy his size and his skills comes around. Jazz do not really need a center but they need a center more than a PG. AJ is playing out of position at center and who knows if Memo will play again. I think Favors is more of a PF than center. With Harris you have a proven PG that is just hitting his prime. What the Jazz really need is another wing to replace AK. But none of the wings are that good this year. So we have a few good PGs and a few good bigs and a bunch of 2nd rounders in most drafts.

And yes, Williams is a big no matter what crap he tries to throw out there that he is a SF. He has a PF body and a PF game. I do not know why he is trying to sell himself as a SF. I would guess so he looks more attractive to Minn so he can be the 2nd pick. Not sure that should matter. He is the second best player in the draft and you should draft the best player, not by need. When you draft by need, it usually works out bad.

And I think Jonas Valanciunas is the 3rd best player in this draft. But if the Jazz go PG at 3, I hope it is Jimmer, I truly think he is the second best PG after Irving. But those are just my musings.

[outerspacefella]

In my eyes:
- Harris' not a "proven PG"
- Knight's better than Walker
- Fredette's good enough to be top 5 or 6 pick
- Klay Thompson's a much better player than what his draft stock implies

[CarrKeefe]

In my eyes:
- Harris' not a "proven PG"
- Knight's better than Walker
- Fredette's good enough to be top 5 or 6 pick
- Klay Thompson's a much better player than what his draft stock implies

I'm curious, what's your definition of a "proven PG"? Devin made the all-star game on a crappy New Jersey team a couple years back and was a big player for Dallas when he was with them. I loved what I saw from him as a Jazzman last season and I think he's only going to get more comfortable. I don't go PG in this draft unless its a sure thing. Knight, Irving, and Walker are not a sure thing upgrade over Harris. I hope the Jazz go big and take Kanter, or trade out and get a scorer in Jimmer, or trade for a scorer.

[StocktonShorts]

I did NOT like a lot of what I saw from Harris last year. He drove with blinders on and didn't have a consistent shot.

And making the All Star game on a crappy team doesn't mean much to me. He certainly hasn't played anywhere near all-star level ball for a few years.

[Jazzfan12]

Devin Harris is exactly like Russell Westbrook if Westbrook lost a couple steps due to injury and missed 20 games every season and it's debatable whether even Westbrook helps his team.

[Litany]

In an interview up at SLT, Kemba made a point of saying that Knight wished he could have worked out with them, but that they hire agents for a reason. He said it killed Knight not being there.

It makes sense that Knight didn't go. He had nothing to gain by going to that workout.

I just found Kemba's entire interview interesting. He seems like a great guy.

He also had good things to say about Jimmer

It has been really cool to see these guys give each other props.