Is this a travel?

The_ref · Post #501 » by **The_ref** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:01 pm

jamesnamida wrote:Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.

I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, not another step. That's why the sentence that follows says that if a player loses the ball while in air. While in aiir.

Furthermore all arguments are moot because this is all on the basis that he is shooting when the pviot foot is raised, as the rules state. But he clearly doesn't move his arm for a shooting motion until he takes another step, so even if I'm wrong on the rules, he wasnt shooting when he lifted his feet anyways. So travel either way.

Haven't you guys seen enough similar situations watching the nba where its been called? I have. Perhaps the referees ar interpreting it the way I do.

You want more advice then an instructional video from FIBA? Ooookey.

chefy · Post #502 » by **chefy** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 2:12 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l053a5oYxc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Fluffi · Post #503 » by **Fluffi** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:19 pm

italianleather wrote:Since ppl are not convinced by real world examples, like the FIBA video posted earlier, I will post a video game example!!! Computer cannot be wrong!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaieQXcKuME[/youtube]

OMG, Garnett travels!!!! WHAT A CHEATING POS!!!!

Okay, I don't post here very often and I can't say with absoulute certainty that the move Kobe did is a travel by NBA rules (I think it is though), but if you can't tell the difference between your video and the Kobe move, while you see the people here actually arguing that it's about him leaving his pivot foot, then please for the love of god don't recreate. Jesus...

Scout Taron · Post #504 » by **Scout Taron** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:29 pm

Not a travel. That's a textbook up and under move.

JustMagic · Post #505 » by **JustMagic** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:30 pm

Fluffi wrote:
italianleather wrote:Since ppl are not convinced by real world examples, like the FIBA video posted earlier, I will post a video game example!!! Computer cannot be wrong!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaieQXcKuME[/youtube]

OMG, Garnett travels!!!! WHAT A CHEATING POS!!!!

Okay, I don't post here very often and I can't say with absoulute certainty that the move Kobe did is a travel by NBA rules (I think it is though), but if you can't tell the difference between your video and the Kobe move, while you see the people here actually arguing that it's about him leaving his pivot foot, then please for the love of god don't recreate. Jesus...

Plz watch both clips again, because it is basically the same move!! only Kobe hangs in the air much more time.
In both of them the player lifts his pivot foot, and from the first 25-26 pages that I've read, the argument is about wether its changing the pivot foot or not. Obviously there is a huge missconception in the way many "coachs" teach kid fundamentals.
In most of the world you need to take special courses, which include learning all the formal rules of the game, and then you get a license to be a coach.

Fluffi · Post #506 » by **Fluffi** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:36 pm

JustMagic wrote:
Fluffi wrote:
italianleather wrote:Since ppl are not convinced by real world examples, like the FIBA video posted earlier, I will post a video game example!!! Computer cannot be wrong!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaieQXcKuME[/youtube]

OMG, Garnett travels!!!! WHAT A CHEATING POS!!!!

Okay, I don't post here very often and I can't say with absoulute certainty that the move Kobe did is a travel by NBA rules (I think it is though), but if you can't tell the difference between your video and the Kobe move, while you see the people here actually arguing that it's about him leaving his pivot foot, then please for the love of god don't recreate. Jesus...

Plz watch both clips again, because it is basically the same move!! only Kobe hangs in the air much more time.
In both of them the player lifts his pivot foot, and from the first 25-26 pages that I've read, the argument is about wether its changing the pivot foot or not. Obviously there is a huge missconception in the way many "coachs" teach kid fundamentals.
In most of the world you need to take special courses, which include learning all the formal rules of the game, and then you get a license to be a coach.

No, the difference is, Garnett jumps up both feet and Kobe first lifts his pivot foot and then jumps up one feet. Now again, I don't know for sure whether that's a travel, but it's not the same thing and it definitely isn't "Kobe hanging in the air much more time". But anyways after watching that Garnett video I feel like playing a few games with my center in 2k11

LikeABosh · Post #507 » by **LikeABosh** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:47 pm

Yes, but I doubt the refs would ever call it.

Egg Nog · Post #508 » by **Egg Nog** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:16 pm

jamesnamida wrote:Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e. Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down..

He established his left as the pivot foot, and he shot the ball before it touched the ground again.

I don't understand how this rule shows anything apart from the fact that it wasn't a travel.

Egg Nog · Post #509 » by **Egg Nog** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:20 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Yes, but I doubt the refs would ever call it.

Read the thread. Well.

venky · Post #510 » by **venky** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:25 pm

Fluffi wrote:
JustMagic wrote:
Fluffi wrote:

Okay, I don't post here very often and I can't say with absoulute certainty that the move Kobe did is a travel by NBA rules (I think it is though), but if you can't tell the difference between your video and the Kobe move, while you see the people here actually arguing that it's about him leaving his pivot foot, then please for the love of god don't recreate. Jesus...

Plz watch both clips again, because it is basically the same move!! only Kobe hangs in the air much more time.
In both of them the player lifts his pivot foot, and from the first 25-26 pages that I've read, the argument is about wether its changing the pivot foot or not. Obviously there is a huge missconception in the way many "coachs" teach kid fundamentals.
In most of the world you need to take special courses, which include learning all the formal rules of the game, and then you get a license to be a coach.

No, the difference is, Garnett jumps up both feet and Kobe first lifts his pivot foot and then jumps up one feet. Now again, I don't know for sure whether that's a travel, but it's not the same thing and it definitely isn't "Kobe hanging in the air much more time". But anyways after watching that Garnett video I feel like playing a few games with my center in 2k11

Um no, watch the vid again, Garnett clearly jumps off of one foot, his non-pivot foot.

bballmaniac27 · Post #511 » by **bballmaniac27** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:33 pm

What's funny is people seeing the FIBA instructional video then claiming that the NBA calls travels differently. If FIBA deems it a legit play then what are the chances that it's going to be called a travel in the NBA?

blacktopking319 · Post #512 » by **blacktopking319** » Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:46 pm

its a never ending cycle

we already ended this topic on page 11 and then some idiot comes along DOES NOT READ the thread and then debate ensues again

giordunk · Post #513 » by **giordunk** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 7:39 am

Is this really a 35 page thread.

italianleather · Post #514 » by **italianleather** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 9:34 am

Fluffi wrote:
italianleather wrote:Since ppl are not convinced by real world examples, like the FIBA video posted earlier, I will post a video game example!!! Computer cannot be wrong!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaieQXcKuME[/youtube]

OMG, Garnett travels!!!! WHAT A CHEATING POS!!!!

Okay, I don't post here very often and I can't say with absoulute certainty that the move Kobe did is a travel by NBA rules (I think it is though), but if you can't tell the difference between your video and the Kobe move, while you see the people here actually arguing that it's about him leaving his pivot foot, then please for the love of god don't recreate. Jesus...

If you think Garnett jumps off 2 feet, please for the love of god don't recreate. :lol:

Galis4 · Post #515 » by **Galis4** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 2:45 pm

deepblueday wrote:Travel, not at all debatable, and this one is usually called. You can't establish a pivot foot and then take a step into another one. Gotta jump off two feet there.

This. Nothing more, nothing less.

That post in the first page should have ended the thread, so i wonder why it reached 35 pages??

I'll have to read them all now to see what this is all about.... :cry:

Galis4 · Post #516 » by **Galis4** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 3:08 pm

BTW does the following link works for you?
www.nba.com/analysis/rules_index.html

Because i'm getting redirected to http://www.nba.com/home/index.html
:evil:

Galis4 · Post #517 » by **Galis4** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 3:29 pm

It seems the rules link on NBA doesn't work anymore(the link i gave above).
And there is no link in the www.nba.com for someone to choose and see the NBA rules!
That's a disgrace for the NBA organization!! :evil:

And i wanted to report this problem to NBA.com, but it seems there is no email or something that i can email them the issue!! That's gross and again a big disgrace for the complete NBA organization. :evil:

primecougar · Post #518 » by **primecougar** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 3:43 pm

lock it up not a travel beauty of a footwork by kobe

j-ragg · Post #519 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 4:30 pm

Galis4 wrote:
deepblueday wrote:Travel, not at all debatable, and this one is usually called. You can't establish a pivot foot and then take a step into another one. Gotta jump off two feet there.

This. Nothing more, nothing less.

That post in the first page should have ended the thread, so i wonder why it reached 35 pages??
I'll have to read them all now to see what this is all about....

Agreed. I don't know how this lasted 35 pages. In college, that would easily be a travel.

Galis4 · Post #520 » by **Galis4** » Sat Jul 2, 2011 5:00 pm

Ditchweed wrote:32 pages and still going on ... here is an exert from FIBA, hope it helps :

F.I.B.A. Handbook: Rules,Cases, Mechanics ... the FIBA Rulebook.

Art. 39 Section C. Progressing With The Ball

1. After having established a pivot foot:
a. On a pass or try for a field goal, the pivot foot may be LIFTED but may NOT be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s).
b. To start a dribble, the pivot foot may NOT be lifted BEFORE the ball is released from the hands.

An infraction of this Article is a violation

Where did you get this "F.I.B.A. Handbook: Rules,Cases, Mechanics" handbook?

Because the official one says and clears the ambiguity the above has on point a):

Travelling is the illegal movement of one foot or both feet beyond the limits outlined
in this article, in any direction, while holding a live ball on the playing court.

Rule:
Progressing with the ball for a player who has established a pivot foot while
having the control of a live ball on the playing court:

•While standing with both feet on the floor:
-To start a dribble, the pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released
from the hand(s).
-To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but
neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the
hand(s).

And assuming(and this is true as i recall) NBA rules in this matter are the same with FIBA's:

So here Kobe establishes the left foot as a pivot foot and then he progresses with the ball and then he touches the court with the right foot also, so he is standing with both feet on the floor. Now according to the rule the only way one can proceed from there is by jumping (i.e jump with both feet and that is clear from the "but neither foot may be returned").

But anyway i thought it was clear to everyone that you can't raise your pivot foot but only jump from it, this is a fundamental rule and i feel amazed by all these i read here.