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Re: Packer Moves Thread 

Post#521 » by Marley2Hendrix » Fri Aug 5, 2011 7:55 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Finley will be overrated in Wisconsin drafts, as will all Packers players. I feel pretty confident in saying that I won't draft a Packers player, I rarely do because everyone always reaches for them.


Eh, I'm staying away from everyone on GB with the exception of Rogers (play exclusively in 2qb leagues) and Finley (if he's there in the 5th and I don't like what I see elsewhere). Starks as a late round grab would be good, but I suppose that isn't an option in most Wisconsin Leagues.
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Post#522 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:01 pm

I know someone will take Finley in the 3rd round of my 16 team league. Rodgers will probably go top 5 . Jennings will be a 2nd rounder. Grant and Starks will probably both go in the 3rd-4th round range. Nelson and Jones will probably be 5th or 6th round picks. That league is nothing but Packers homers and most of the guys aren't that great at drafting, which is why it's usually easy money for me.
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Post#523 » by emunney » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:04 pm

I played in a league with a bunch of Pats fans last year, and Finley went really high even there (5th rd in an 8 team league. I got Witten in the 10th and he ended up being the top TE in our scoring system). Anecdotal evidence, and I think he'll go lower this year because he didn't live up to the hype due to injury. Just be objective and disciplined with your board and you can't go wrong.
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Post#524 » by Wilford Brimley » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:23 pm

John Clayton gave us a "C" for FA grades. He gets paid for his job?
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Post#525 » by El Duderino » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:25 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Receiver James Jones’ new three-year contract with the Packers is worth $9.4 million and includes $3.75 million in first-year pay.
Jones’ contract had a $1.5 million signing bonus plus a $1.3 million base salary and $950,00 roster bonus for this year, for a $3.75 million first-year total. Next year he’ll make a $2.3 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($2.5 million total), and in 2013 he’ll make a $2.95 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($3.15 million total).
http://www.lockerpulse.com/News/Jones-J ... ay-Packers


That's near exactly what i expected the deal to be worth, 9 million on the low end and 12 million at absolute most, more likely somewhere in between.

Given Jones has talent, but also has legit warts, reasonable deal for both IMO. If Jones can improve, the deal is short enough that he can get a bigger deal in three years. In the mean time, 9 million dollars does a lot to secure his future financially.
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Post#526 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:29 pm

Wilford Brimley wrote:John Clayton gave us a "C" for FA grades. He gets paid for his job?


Well what is he supposed to give us? We didn't bring in anyone outside a fringe linebacker camp-body and lost more guys than we brought back. Seems like a pretty average (C) offseason to me.
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Post#527 » by LUKE23 » Fri Aug 5, 2011 8:59 pm

Don't see the point of grading off seasons and surely don't see the point of grading only FA. Grade teams on the overall strength of their roster. It's not our fault we had almost no holes.
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Post#528 » by emunney » Fri Aug 5, 2011 9:06 pm

The point is that people like to read the articles. It's not like the grades affect anything. No indignation required.
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Post#529 » by Ayt » Fri Aug 5, 2011 10:58 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Receiver James Jones’ new three-year contract with the Packers is worth $9.4 million and includes $3.75 million in first-year pay.
Jones’ contract had a $1.5 million signing bonus plus a $1.3 million base salary and $950,00 roster bonus for this year, for a $3.75 million first-year total. Next year he’ll make a $2.3 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($2.5 million total), and in 2013 he’ll make a $2.95 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($3.15 million total).
http://www.lockerpulse.com/News/Jones-J ... ay-Packers


This is amazing to me.
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Post#530 » by rilamann » Sat Aug 6, 2011 1:23 am

Wilford Brimley wrote:John Clayton gave us a "C" for FA grades. He gets paid for his job?


But we'd get an A++ if they gave out grades for team most likely to kick everyone's ass.


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Post#531 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Aug 6, 2011 4:23 am

Yeah, that James Jones contract is great. The Seahawks blew 18 million guaranteed on Sidney Rice and we spend 3.75 on JJ. I realize Rice is a better player, but he's not 15 million guaranteed better IMO.
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Post#532 » by El Duderino » Sat Aug 6, 2011 5:07 am

Ayt wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:Receiver James Jones’ new three-year contract with the Packers is worth $9.4 million and includes $3.75 million in first-year pay.
Jones’ contract had a $1.5 million signing bonus plus a $1.3 million base salary and $950,00 roster bonus for this year, for a $3.75 million first-year total. Next year he’ll make a $2.3 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($2.5 million total), and in 2013 he’ll make a $2.95 million base salary and $200,000 roster bonus ($3.15 million total).
http://www.lockerpulse.com/News/Jones-J ... ay-Packers


This is amazing to me.


What is it so amazing to you?

When i heard that Jones resigned with the Packers for three years, my immediate guess on the contract was 3yr/9-10 million with the possibility that James got 12 million at most.

It was pretty clear to me that the only way Jones would be back was if other WR needy teams passed and then on Thompson's terms, 3-4 million per struck me as the limit Ted was going to go. Plus, the three years aspect benefits both the team and player, especially Jones because if he plays well and stops dropping big passes, he'll only be 30 when he tries getting his next contract.

The amazing thing to me in that link is that Jenkins could be waived after this year, and the Eagles wouldn't be on the hook for a single penny in dead money. They are only paying him 3.8 million this year, but he is due 7.7 million next season. That means if he has injury problems, it's a near certainty that Cullen won't see a dime of that 7.7 million for next year. At the very least i'd have expected the numbers on his first two years being reversed in that Jenkins was guaranteed the 7.7 million this year, with a base of 3.8 next year.

People can argue about just how good Jenkins is overall and his health woes the last few years, but under contract deals like these, i think the Eagles got the best deal of free agency in getting Jenkins.
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Post#533 » by Ayt » Sat Aug 6, 2011 7:14 am

A few weeks ago I was thinking he'd be in the 5-6M range over 4 years for someone other than us. I certainly didn't think James Jones would sign for less than Jacoby Jones.

The fact that we signed him for so little compared to what I thought he would get as a FA is what is amazing to me. I didn't think it was possible he'd re-sign with us for so little, but after it was reported he signed I obviously knew it wasn't going to be for the amount I had thought he'd get as a FA from another team. My prediction on the numbers were a little higher than yours at 12-13.5M.

JJ's contract just looks like a massive bargain to me.
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Post#534 » by El Duderino » Sat Aug 6, 2011 8:00 pm

I think Jones was hurt by the shear number of free agents out there, thus only the upper tier guys were going to be viewed as high priorities, and could command big salaries.

I remember it was John Clayton or Peter King who said before free agency started that if middle tier guys either waited to long to sign or asked for to much money, they could find themselves scrambling to simply get a job on one year deals because teams would just move on to someone else. There were not only about 250 free agents, there were veterans cut to save cap room, which lead to a flooded/buyers market. I think that hurt both Jones and Jenkins.
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Post#535 » by Ayt » Sat Aug 6, 2011 9:27 pm

El Duderino wrote:I think Jones was hurt by the shear number of free agents out there, thus only the upper tier guys were going to be viewed as high priorities, and could command big salaries.

I remember it was John Clayton or Peter King who said before free agency started that if middle tier guys either waited to long to sign or asked for to much money, they could find themselves scrambling to simply get a job on one year deals because teams would just move on to someone else. There were not only about 250 free agents, there were veterans cut to save cap room, which lead to a flooded/buyers market. I think that hurt both Jones and Jenkins.


Yeah. It was an odd market.

Someone on another board suggested it would have been smarter for Jones to accept a 1 year deal instead of a 3 year deal. Doing so would obviously be a gamble, but I think it would have been a good calculated risk in this case. Regardless, I'm very happy to have him at this contract on the Packers given the uncertainty at the position in the coming seasons.
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Post#536 » by eagle13 » Sat Aug 6, 2011 9:32 pm

Saw no one signed Bulger and he retired. He's obviosuly declined but would have been a decent backup for this year and then we could have traded Flynn for a 2nd to get something for him.

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