blue jays stealing signs?

Pharmcat · Post #1 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:38 pm

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... ers-centre

interesting...

Post #2 » by **craig01** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Very interesting.

Those splits are huge.

Post #3 » by **Duffman100** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:29 pm

Someone on the comments of the articles posted Splits from other teams, equally as huge. Also, some players on the jays had the opposite effect, bad at home, amazing on the road.

The article is complete garbage and speculation, I can't believe it's going to get the pageviews its going to get.

Relentless88 · Post #4 » by **Relentless88** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:14 pm

craig01 wrote:Very interesting.

Those splits are huge.

Not really that interesting if you read the article. Mostly crap. According to the article, the Blue Jays hired the man in white in 2006 only to fire him in 2007 and re-hire him in 2010.

If you want to see interesting splits, check out the Brewers.

Fielder:
1.124 Home
.859 Road

Braun:
1.045 Home
.887 Road

Hart:
.937 Home
.752 Road

Weeks:
.909 Home
.753 Road

Lucroy:
.885 Home
.604 Road

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:29 pm

yea i think the brewers do it also

trwi7 · Post #6 » by **trwi7** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:07 am

Pharmcat wrote:yea i think the brewers do it also

Okay, Tony LaRussa.

Post #7 » by **Nolan** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:12 am

On its own the evidence looks pretty convincing. But when you compare its other HR hitting teams and teams that play in hitters parks you realize that this is just a bunch of garbage.

cram · Post #8 » by **cram** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:39 am

Three things that tell me it's garbage...

- do they have any former Jays admitting this happened? There are a few disenchanted ex-jays who you'd think would be happy to dish on their former team, yet ESPN comes up with no one?

- the jays were (and still kind of are) a free-swinging team. They swing at more pitches than other teams and hit more home runs.

- home field advantage....not that hard to imagine. Do you think players in boston adjusted to hitting at the green monster? I'm sure stats suggest they did.

Sifu · Post #9 » by **Sifu** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:52 am

Statistical cherry picking at its finest.

sh00n · Post #10 » by **sh00n** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:59 am

If it were true you'd hear more than a few ex-Jays talking a bout it in the media. BS article.

Pharmcat · Post #11 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:19 am

trwi7 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:yea i think the brewers do it also

Okay, Tony LaRussa.

ROFL

Pharmcat · Post #12 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:19 am

you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

Post #13 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:00 am

Pharmcat wrote:you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

Which gives the author of the article free reign to make up or exaggerate stories.

Sifu · Post #14 » by **Sifu** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:04 am

Pharmcat wrote:you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

Of course not, why ruin a perfectly good story with facts right?

Sifu · Post #15 » by **Sifu** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:07 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

Which gives the author of the article free reign to make up or exaggerate stories.

I have it on good authority that the Yankees are in possession of a time machine salvaged from the Roswell UFO crash-site. They use this to chart the type and location of every pitch thrown against them during a game and then someone goes back in time to tip the Yanks off.

Now that's cheating. Too bad that despite this advantage, the Yanks failed to win the World Series for the past few years.

Who's my source on this? Well, I have 32 players who don't want to reveal themselves as rats so the nameless shall remain nameless.

Post #16 » by **Nolan** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:18 am

Pharmcat wrote:you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

You should read this: http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/08/10/on-false-evidence/ it's stricky a breakdown of the stats and how they're cherry picked.

Pharmcat · Post #17 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:13 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:you wont get any names since no one wants to be known as a rat

Which gives the author of the article free reign to make up or exaggerate stories.

thats just the nature of the business of sports and media

i dont understand the uproar though, every team does it, some get caught and then just change their methods and do it again....wasnt another team caught last year using binoculars?

Post #18 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:19 pm

To me this is freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word), how can a batter see a man in the outfield who is dressed in white giving them signs. They say the "sign" is he raises his arms up so I guess when people do the "wave" they are all sending signs to Toronto and I guess Tupac and Biggie are in the press box calling the game as well with Elvis singing "Take me out to the ball game" during the 7th inning stretch as well. I guess this guy is back and is Toronto's god send.

Relentless88 · Post #19 » by **Relentless88** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:43 pm

It's not at all surprising that Yankees/Red Sox fans would agree with the "report".

bigboy1234 · Post #20 » by **bigboy1234** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:18 pm

It's not at all surprising that Blue Jay fans would disagree with the "report".