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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#21 » by MaceCase » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:28 pm

Ruhiel wrote:
2004-05 Age: 19 years old 5.5%
2005-06 Age: 20 years old 6.7%
2006-07 Age: 21 years old 7.9%
2007-08 Age: 22 years old 9.7%
2008-09 Age: 23 years old 9.7% (injured ankle when he was turning it around remember that?)
2009-10 Age: 24 years old 15.5%
2010-11 Age: 24 years old 11.8% (athleticism)
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2009/01/po ... -josh.html

What is this? His wsper48? So he was more athletic in 2010-2011 than he was every year prior to 09-10'? More clueless stat usage and darned pathetic tap dance obfuscations. I thought he was too heavy in 10-11, how was fat Smoove outperforming skinny and younger Smoove?

You try to be Mr. Analytical when it comes to tearing down Al and all his superior advance metrics but here you are with anecdotal, excuse making nonsense to explain away Josh Smith's game.

His winshares every year prior to 09-10 are low because he took an ass load of jumpers with zero ability to hit them.

His winshares increased in 09-10 because he dropped the jumper from his arsenal and decided to stay inside.

His winshares decreased in 10-11 because he went back to basing his offense predominantly on jumpers but this time stayed above his career average WSper48 because he finally managed to actually hit them at a decent rate.

There is absolutely nowhere to infer "athleticism" and weight from that stat so you are pure bull **** which isn't surprising considering the source. Your entire evidence for your theory has been debunked, any further mention on it is pure opinion on your part with no true factual basis.


Well the coach said this also:
He has to be flying around and blocking shots
RE: Athletic defense and might be helped by a lower weight. He was at 3.5% in 2009.

Your preliminary excuse for 08-09 was the high ankle sprain but alas in his career year of 09-10 he was still below his career average at only 4.6% What's the excuse? I thought the lost weight made him a super athlete?
and running the floor
RE: transition off of defensive steals. Nothing to do with halfcourt.

That's your interpretation but it easily can attributed to not being stationary at the 3point line in the halfcourt. You know, in context with the rest of his statement. :lol:
and making passes. That’s when he’s at his best for us.
RE: Making passes ie off the dribble with his perimeter skills.

:lol: yet another personal interpretation. What, he can't make passes from the post now? :lol:

We can’t have him just sitting out there and launching 3s, because that plays into the opposition’s hands.
Well that sounds like it's clearly not part of the scheme to have him out there and thus an action taken solely on the part of the player.

Really? thats a heck of a spin.

No, BooBoo. The only spin going on here is you and how you choose to interpret the evidence presented to you. Larry Drew said I don't want him out there- Ruhiel's intepretation: Hell yea he wants him out there because Horf is hogging the ball, Qwyntel Woods!!!! Blah blah blah blah blah blah. I told you already that I got a Swiss army bull **** cutting knife so I need not spend anytime on your obfuscation tactics, strawmen, tangents and anecdotal musings.
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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#22 » by Ruhiel » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:53 am

MaceCase wrote:
Ruhiel wrote:
2004-05 Age: 19 years old 5.5%
2005-06 Age: 20 years old 6.7%
2006-07 Age: 21 years old 7.9%
2007-08 Age: 22 years old 9.7%
2008-09 Age: 23 years old 9.7% (injured ankle when he was turning it around remember that?)
2009-10 Age: 24 years old 15.5%
2010-11 Age: 24 years old 11.8% (athleticism drop)
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2009/01/po ... -josh.html


What is this? His wsper48? So he was more athletic in 2010-2011 than he was every year prior to 09-10'?



His winshares every year prior to 09-10 are low because he took an ass load of jumpers with zero ability to hit them.

His winshares increased in 09-10 because he dropped the jumper from his arsenal and decided to stay inside.

His winshares decreased in 10-11 because he went back to basing his offense predominantly on jumpers but this time stayed above his career average WSper48 because he finally managed to actually hit them at a decent rate.

There is absolutely nowhere to infer "athleticism" and weight from that stat so you are pure bull **** which isn't surprising considering the source. Your entire evidence for your theory has been debunked, any further mention on it is pure opinion on your part with no true factual basis.


Really...
* He came to the NBA out of high school Mace...Yes he was taking bad shots and missing them.

Red for clarity: 15.5% to 11.8% is a drop.
His athleticism dropped and he was less active around the rim. He's averaged 16ppg for years...he never "dropped the jumper" from his arsenal.

Well the coach said this also:
He has to be flying around and blocking shots
RE: Athletic defense and might be helped by a lower weight. He was at 3.5% in 2009.

Your preliminary excuse for 08-09 was the high ankle sprain but alas in his career year of 09-10 he was still below his career average at only 4.6% What's the excuse? I thought the lost weight made him a super athlete?
and running the floor
RE: transition off of defensive steals. Nothing to do with halfcourt.

That's your interpretation but it easily can attributed to not being stationary at the 3point line in the halfcourt. You know, in context with the rest of his statement. :lol:
and making passes. That’s when he’s at his best for us.
RE: Making passes ie off the dribble with his perimeter skills.


:lol: yet another personal interpretation. What, he can't make passes from the post now? :lol: [/quote]

???
In that particular play? Answer: No. He's best at making hockey assists off the dribble or Joe/Teague dribble drive.
Are you arguing we should have posted him up vs Deng more?

In general they can single cover Smith and it takes out the rest of the team, (like we did with Dwight) a PnR (requires spacing more often than not) is better for gaining double teams/2 on 1 situations.

We can’t have him just sitting out there and launching 3s, because that plays into the opposition’s hands.
Well that sounds like it's clearly not part of the scheme to have him out there and thus an action taken solely on the part of the player.

Really? thats a heck of a spin.

No, BooBoo. The only spin going on here is you and how you choose to interpret the evidence presented to you. Larry Drew said I don't want him out there- Ruhiel's intepretation: [time is winding down Joe is cut off and Horford clearly cant post and Josh Smith is outside[/quote]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SSiomTetQ[/youtube]


Larry Drew says we dont want Smith outside launching 3s. Maybe that's why he mixed in the small lineup? Lets think here:
for an offensive scheme you have three out; two inside or four out and one inside.

Who uses 3 inside?

Hilton Armstrong. Al Horford. WHERE IS Smith SUPPOSED TO BE if we want spacing to get to the rim?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqEys0sM4kI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnCViWg7hsI[/youtube]
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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#23 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:06 pm

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:
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Hawk4Playoffs wrote:Wow... No! Boozers contracts sucks! Rather have joe than boozer. I'm sure other hawks fans would agree.


Well he is basically saying we would amnesty Joe at a cheaper price. If the goal is to amnesty him, then I could see this as a good deal, but I think it is doubtful that they amnesty him. Doubt salary works out either.


ohhhh... i'm all for signing joe for a cheaper price.... just not trading him for boozer... the trade doesn't make much sense.


Ermm, I don't think you got it. If we wanted to amnesty Joe, then we would have to pay him 107 million. If we swapped him with Boozer, since essentially Joe would bolt to Chicago anyway, then the buyout will lesser(60 million I think). Basically the Hawks owners could save about 47 million and go from their.

Honestly, I would do the deal, if we got the Cat's pick and a Bull's pick. Then go sign Nick Young to a MLE type deal and look to be a buyer in the 2012 summer frenzy(CP3 or Deron?!).
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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#24 » by HMFFL » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:17 pm

I doubt Alex Meruelo bought this team to pay Joe Johnson $20+ million for the next four (possibly 5) seasons for him to not play a minute with us. The same can be said for Carlos Boozer who will make between $15-$17 million more per year over the next three seasons (after the lockout season).

Depending on the rule, I believe Marvin Williams goes, but it also depends on our cap status. I prefer not to clear salary just to retain Jamal Crawford. That won't fix our problems and it doesn't make any sense to me.

I doubt any star players would seriously consider signing with us if Joe Johnson's not on the team. The team overall is very dysfunctional and it's not constructed to win a championship. We also lack the appeal that it takes to attract star players.

As things stand, I believe we should only expect low quality bench players, so I expect our bench to be below average next season. It's been a problem for years now. Jamal Crawford was a nice addition, but I am over him taking up cap space, and especially since we have much bigger problems.
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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#25 » by MaceCase » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:34 pm

Ruhiel wrote:

Really...
* He came to the NBA out of high school Mace...Yes he was taking bad shots and missing them.

Red for clarity: 15.5% to 11.8% is a drop.
His athleticism dropped and he was less active around the rim. He's averaged 16ppg for years...he never "dropped the jumper" from his arsenal.

See, excuse making. Ohhhhh poor Smoove, it took him 5 years of professional experience to finally start putting it together as a pro player but an ankle injury set him back waaaaaaaaa but that useless Horford has peaked only after his 4th year :roll:
yup, more Ruhiel bull **** anecdotes.

Yes 15-11 is a drop but alas, since you are incapable of reading, 11 is still higher than his previous 5 year averages of only 9.

And my my, since you are willing to excuse away why he didn't improve in 08-09' to the ankle injury why doesn't the knee injury in 10-11' not get used to explain the 15 to 11 drop? The problem with bull **** is that they are never consistent with their logic.

And yes, one could consider that Josh dropped the jumper in 9-10' considering only 36% of offense were jumpers.

compare that to

2010-2011: 63% but alas he could finally hit some at .428 eFG%.
08-09: 47% jumpers .349 eFG%
07-08: 48% jumpers .307 eFG%
06-07: 51% jumpers .316 eFG%
05-06: 62% jumpers .363 eFG%
04-05: 49% jumpers .277 eFG%

I amend my original statement. It wasn't the first and only year where less than 40% of his offense were jumpers to it was the first and only year where less than 47% of his offense were jumpers (creates a more dramatic jump).

Now looking at the numbers, which is easier to prove in an non-anecdotal fashion?

Josh Smith's eating habits
or
Josh Smith's mental approach to the game of basketball.
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Re: Amnesty Rule 

Post#26 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:38 pm

I believe our bench can be average at the least. I mean, even if there is a hard cap or flex cap, the owners will allow teams time to get their salary situated to the new rules and in the mean time, will still give teams the chance to be able to add players with exceptions.

Using Bi-annual, vet mins, & MLE; the Hawks can get a few guys like Aaron Gray(About the best Center we can get), McGrady(Played great for Detroit), Reggie Williams(Bench Scorer), Troy Murphy(Rebounder & Floor Spacer), Vlad Radmonovic(Floor Spacer with decent D), Redd(Floor spacer), Hamed Haddadi(Size & probably 2nd best center we can get), Brandan Wright(Potential), Yi(Potential), Fesenko(size), Joe Alexander & David Lighty(impressed at camp), and McCamey(Really could use a 3rd PG)

Assuming Marvin gets amnestied, would love to see the Hawks cut Sy, and give Vet Mins to McGrady & Reggie, and sign Lighty & McCamey to rookie deals. Then give Gray & Yi a piece of the MLE. Sounds better than having Powell, Armstrong, & Thomas at the end of the bench and wearing suits.

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