2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[NH]

Hey, Wolves fan here. I've seen a lot of Raptors fans offer Calderon in trade scenarios, and I was wondering how attached you guys were to him. I was thinking that a Calderon for Pekovic and Ridnour trade made sense for the Wolves, as he would be helpful for Rubio's development. But I didn't know if a decent Euro C prospect and a good journeyman PG was something you guys would want for your highly paid PG.

Would you do Calderon and Barbosa for Darko, Webster and Ridnour?

I think I like that deal better. Seems to make sense for both teams.

This is an interesting proposal. With Aldeman up there, I am sure he wants some vets to work with, and Jose and Barbosa are good vets and locker room presence

[Twoism]

fisrt game off the bench and jose begins to be a locker room trouble.

[DreamTeam09]

Its interesting with some of these trade ideas of how ppl see the raps shaping up over the next few yrs. I hate making long post so i'll just try and point form a few stuff

- Trade Bargs for upgrade on wing & then draft a pg
- Trade Ed for upgrade at pg & then draft a wing.

- If we draft Drummond, then we gotta trade both Ed and Bargs.
-This draft is wing and bigs heavy But a pg with a 2nd pick would be huge for us.

- I like that jose & barbosa deal to minny a lot, make it happen.

[silverhill27]

Its interesting with some of these trade ideas of how ppl see the raps shaping up over the next few yrs. I hate making long post so i'll just try and point form a few stuff

- Trade Bargs for upgrade on wing & then draft a pg
- Trade Ed for upgrade at pg & then draft a wing.

- If we draft Drummond, then we gotta trade both Ed and Bargs.
-This draft is wing and bigs heavy But a pg with a 2nd pick would be huge for us.

- I like that jose & barbosa deal to minny a lot, make it happen.

This is why I hope the CBA gets resolved soon. As of now, there are still so many question marks on the team and the only way to answer them are to play actual games. We have so many players that are capable of breakout seasons: Bayless, Derozan, James Johnson, Ed, and even Bargnani that could completely change the way we look at the next offseason.

That's why I proposed the Minny deal. It allows Bargnani to sink or swim playing the 4 next a legitimate defensive oriented shot blocking center in Milicic. Gives Bayless the reigns at the point to again either sink or swim without Calderon blocking him. Webster would challenge and push James Johnson for the starting small forward position.

[TerryTate]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5923623

Not sure if Cleveland want BD anymore, with them drafting Irving and still having Ramon Sessions.
BD is a clear better option than both our PGs, knows DeRozan off the court and I can imagine them working well together. When inspired BD, can play some great D, but he needs to be in shape and inspired.

We get Casspi on his rookie contract and he could be a great addition at either the SG/SF position. I think he can play the position better than Barbosa and could be an asset later, if he improves, which I'm sure he will.

Its a sideway trade, but the players might bust hard only both teams, but we get a much more competitive team IMO.

BD/JB
DD/Casspi
Kleiza/JJ/Casspi
Amir/ED
ED/Bargs

[Narf]

fisrt game off the bench and jose begins to be a locker room trouble.

Calderon played with Rubio and both started and came off the bench for him on the Spanish team. That's actually a big reason I was interested in him.

[Hassassin]

I would be very Ok with bringing in Pekovic.. it was his rookie NBA season, I think he is a better player than people are giving him credit for. I also think having Casey as our HC is a potentially ideal situation. We also get out of Calderon's contract.

Now if we could squeeze a future 2nd, I would be overjoyed.

Pekovic is the type of player that needs the ball to be effective. Production wise, he is very close to Eddy Curry.

[J Dilla]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5923623

Not sure if Cleveland want BD anymore, with them drafting Irving and still having Ramon Sessions.
BD is a clear better option than both our PGs, knows DeRozan off the court and I can imagine them working well together. When inspired BD, can play some great D, but he needs to be in shape and inspired.

We get Casspi on his rookie contract and he could be a great addition at either the SG/SF position. I think he can play the position better than Barbosa and could be an asset later, if he improves, which I'm sure he will.

Its a sideway trade, but the players might bust hard only both teams, but we get a much more competitive team IMO.

BD/JB
DD/Casspi
Kleiza/JJ/Casspi
Amir/ED
ED/Bargs

B Diddy from his signings doesn't look like he likes cold climates.

[S.W.A.N]

Baron is going to be a Laker or Heat. He gets amnestied then goes for rings...

[TerryTate]

Baron is going to be a Laker or Heat. He gets amnestied then goes for rings...

I think so too, but what do you think of the trade... still think its a lot better than what we got and we're only have him for really the same timeframe as Calderon and gives us a huge expiring if we need to trade him for a pick or better PG when JV comes to the raps. We get rid of Barbosa and get a very servicable guy in Casspi.

[S.W.A.N]

Baron is going to be a Laker or Heat. He gets amnestied then goes for rings...

I think so too, but what do you think of the trade... still think its a lot better than what we got and we're only have him for really the same timeframe as Calderon and gives us a huge expiring if we need to trade him for a pick or better PG when JV comes to the raps. We get rid of Barbosa and get a very servicable guy in Casspi.

I don't know that Cavs do that deal as the just traded to get Casspi and would have a hole at SF

It would be interesting deal for raps but its the kind of deal that makes us better in the short term and would hurt us in the long term.

Getting Baron and Casspi would probably jump our wins up fairly significantly hurting our draft prospects

Getting Baron will hurt Bayless minutes and not give us a chance to see if he can be a starting pg given the minutes.

So I going to have to veto this trade !!!

[Mr Swagtastic]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5923623

Not sure if Cleveland want BD anymore, with them drafting Irving and still having Ramon Sessions.
BD is a clear better option than both our PGs, knows DeRozan off the court and I can imagine them working well together. When inspired BD, can play some great D, but he needs to be in shape and inspired.

We get Casspi on his rookie contract and he could be a great addition at either the SG/SF position. I think he can play the position better than Barbosa and could be an asset later, if he improves, which I'm sure he will.

Its a sideway trade, but the players might bust hard only both teams, but we get a much more competitive team IMO.

BD/JB
DD/Casspi
Kleiza/JJ/Casspi
Amir/ED
ED/Bargs

The Cavs wouldn't make that move, they should count their lucky stars that they got the #1 overall pick by taking on Davis. 2nd I doubt that they also trade Caspi since they moved a good cheap big in Hickson for him. Trading Caspi now would be a bad idea IMHO. I would rather see how the kid does in that system if I am The Cavs. To me the Cavs have too many tweener guards and Barbs isn't the answer the need he's a veteran who would want to be moved if he's traded to yet another rebuilding team.

As much as I hate Davis I think he would possibly work here. Casey seems like a guy who could get something from him. He (Casey) seems like a hold no punches tell it like it is guy which is a great thing to have after what we have been going through. Who knows maybe getting traded for the 900th time in 2 years might piss Davis off enough to actually play

[UcanUwill]

Hey, Wolves fan here. I've seen a lot of Raptors fans offer Calderon in trade scenarios, and I was wondering how attached you guys were to him. I was thinking that a Calderon for Pekovic and Ridnour trade made sense for the Wolves, as he would be helpful for Rubio's development. But I didn't know if a decent Euro C prospect and a good journeyman PG was something you guys would want for your highly paid PG.

Talent wise, Raps win this thats for sure. But for real, Pekovic is not the best fit, not the best rebounder and defender. I still do tghis trade if I was the Raptors tho.

Furthermore Narf, MOVING screens are illegal in basketball, period... I dont know why you keep saying it is legal in Europe, thats absolutely not true. But I agree that Pek can do way better, he is skilled and strong. Scola and Spillter also sucked during rookie year, Pek should get better.

[UcanUwill]

I am not into everything you talking about, but i can tell, CAVS will not trade Casspi like that. Their management are very high on him, for some reason...

And Raptors doesnt need him. He can play D and he is basically a lighter and less versatile version of Linas Kleiza. And by the way, he is also out because of the serious knee injury, so even even...

Baron Davis on the other hand was great, and I actually doubt CAVS amnest him... He fits a mentor and a leader role, he also organized some CAVS players training camps during lockout...
basically, he would be a great fit anywhere, but if he had a chance, he went to a contender instead anyway...

[Mr Swagtastic]

I can't believe on some of the Raptor and NBA sites that I go on so called die hard Raptor fans want to move our first unprotected for Jennings/Ellis/Igoudala/Granger and even a Steve Nash. I mean really people need to realize that Toronto is a good 3-4 years away from being "complete" we have a good core but need a true franchise SF who we develop and is on a rookie scale deal and try to move some glut we have at the PF spot for a 2nd pick in this years draft for a guy like Worton/Kobongo/Teague

Guys like Jennings/Ellis are combo guards who don't really add much here I mean both are suspect on the defensive end and I feel selfish and want to play for themselves at times. As for Iggy and Granger they are very good players but are aging and are on bigger contracts which will hurt the rebuild. If we get Drummond and only Drummond I would look to trade away anybody other then Jonas V/Drummond/DeRozan for a Igoudala/Granger level SF

[rapswin2010]

Man if we can land harisson barnes its over

[billy_hoyle]

Proposal:

Toronto

(out) - Bargnani
(in) - Childress
Frye
Unprotected 1st 2012
Ability to swap 2013


Phoenix

(out) - Childress
Frye
1st
Swap

(in) - Bargnani


We amnesty Childress at 6 mil. and allow the suns to eat Warrick at 4 mil. Take on Frye at over 5 and allow him to play the back up floor spacing shooter role that barge was destined for with Ed and Val here. Bargs gets to play next to Gortat and form a varied and about prime (27 ish) frontline for the suns. I think the suns do this just based on talent upgrade and not wasting Nash's and hill's last year.

Mainly I think this gives us a modest shot at a high pick next year when the suns might be decent (fringe playoff team) or could really implode, lose Nash and hills effectiveness and be one of the worst teams in the league. It also gives us two chances in the lottery in 2013 when the suns will surely suck.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'd do that trade, I don't think Phoenix would accept. To them, the difference between Frye and Bargs wouldn't be worth giving up their 2012 pick, even if we take Childress off their hands.

[Rapsfan07]

Proposal:

Toronto

(out) - Bargnani
(in) - Childress
Frye
Unprotected 1st 2012
Ability to swap 2013


Phoenix

(out) - Childress
Frye
1st
Swap

(in) - Bargnani


We amnesty Childress at 6 mil. and allow the suns to eat Warrick at 4 mil. Take on Frye at over 5 and allow him to play the back up floor spacing shooter role that barge was destined for with Ed and Val here. Bargs gets to play next to Gortat and form a varied and about prime (27 ish) frontline for the suns. I think the suns do this just based on talent upgrade and not wasting Nash's and hill's last year.

Mainly I think this gives us a modest shot at a high pick next year when the suns might be decent (fringe playoff team) or could really implode, lose Nash and hills effectiveness and be one of the worst teams in the league. It also gives us two chances in the lottery in 2013 when the suns will surely suck.

A few months ago I was on the Phoenix Trade board and they're not high on Bargnani at all. I say that because from understanding, they'd be sending out their first (unprotected) for him which is insane seeing as they're on the verge of a rebuild and will like to hold on to all the picks they can possibly get.

However...maybe they'd be interested if we take on Childress. Problem with that now is apparently when/if the CBA is completed, amnestying people who were obtained in trades after the CBA will not be allowed. In other words, they'd have to be under contract and on YOUR roster prior to the expiration of the last deal.

I proposed this in their board and on here I believe too but I think a deal of:

Pietrus + Lopez + PHX 1st (lotto protected in 2012, top 10 in 2013 etc) for Bargnani

Is fair for both teams. That's not a beautiful package we get in return but it provides us with an able bodied, vet SF and a young C that could take a bench role for us in the future and provides us with a pick to fill out the core somewhere down the road if necessary or to be used in trades or something. If we could get a pick that's available sooner that would be great but I doubt it given where PHX is right now. And we're getting PHX to take on a fair bit of salary as well so I think that's more or less fair.

[Salted Meat]

I'd do that trade, I don't think Phoenix would accept. To them, the difference between Frye and Bargs wouldn't be worth giving up their 2012 pick, even if we take Childress off their hands.

What if the trade were modified to be:

Toronto trades
Andrea Bargnani
Leandro Barbosa

to Phoenix for

Jared Dudley
Channing Frye
Josh Childress
Suns 2012 1st round pick
option to swap picks in 2013

Do we take on too much salary? The option to amnesty Childress is still there, and we can keep Frye and Dudley, who would be great as a combo SG/SF behind DeRozan and Johnson. Leandro comes off the books at the end of the season, saving Sarver's Suns a pretty penny. We get another draft pick for our troubles, and an option to move up in the 2013 draft as well.

Is that more appealing to the Suns?