2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[bboyskinnylegs]

I think they're gunna be forced to keep the lotto pretty much as it was just with the lotto balls redone to redetermine the order and maybe even creating a "lotto" amongst the playoff teams (15-30)...cuz I just can't see how some teams like CLE, PHX and ours will allow for a 3yr system (not to mention teams like UTAH and DEN also heading in the same direction).

yeah it really does seem to screw up the teams that have recently lost their stars the most, so it would be nice if they just redo the lotto...and implement the union proposal to give us two 1st rounders

[Rapsfan07]

I think they're gunna be forced to keep the lotto pretty much as it was just with the lotto balls redone to redetermine the order and maybe even creating a "lotto" amongst the playoff teams (15-30)...cuz I just can't see how some teams like CLE, PHX and ours will allow for a 3yr system (not to mention teams like UTAH and DEN also heading in the same direction).

yeah it really does seem to screw up the teams that have recently lost their stars the most, so it would be nice if they just redo the lotto...and implement the union proposal to give us two 1st rounders

[Mr Swagtastic]

Anthony Davis is already a better post player and Drummond will be.

Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

I'm feeling the same way....Davis just seems so damn impressive that if Drummond is off the board it would actually be tough for me to pick between him and Miller. He is easily ahead of Barnes for me at this point and he might surpass QMiller for me soon too if he just continues to beast through the season.

He just seems to scream franchise talent right now that regardless of how many PFs we have or holes at SF, I draft him and figure the rest out after. I'm pretty sure Ed + next year's pick top 10 protected can net a pretty damn good SF from somebody.

Yeah I have a feeling that Davis + our pick should be enough to get a solid SF away from somebody hopefully a Igoudala type (amazing fit) or somebody like that. If not there is 2012 FA class and guys like Nik Batum, Beasley if Minny doesn't pick up his option, Gerald Wallace, Chase Budinger (decent role player) I mean nobody outside Batum or Wallace scream starter but there are decent roster pieces out there.

Rapsfan07 - I wouldn't say Jared Sulinger is the best post in the NCAA I think Davis is better then him, Jared is good but I don't think he has the moves of Davis or the defense as well. Plus I don't want him anywhere near this team. Our Davis (Ed) is better suited for this team and if were wasting a pick on anybody not named Anthony Davis, Drummond, Barnes, Miller I rather pick up Worton, Gillchrist 10x better before Sullinger.

Somebody people have us landing 3 really good pieces 2 being top 5-10 pieces without moving DeRozan or Jonas V which is a pipe dream. There is no way any 2 GM's hand Toronto a damn good core of Jonas V, Toronto's pick, 2nd top 10 pick, mid teens pick, DeRozan and cap space. I think if were lucky and do get Drummond or Davis with our pick and get somebody to take on Ed Davis + our top 5-10 protected pick next year then fine lets count our lucky stars.

[Laowai]

So much is speculation at this point why bother.

Not only a format of a draft for 2012 and will the owners try to only draft 20 year old and up.
One of the few things I think the players have in a anti trust suit is not allowing anyone 18 plus to be drafted. That is against most labour laws.

If high school players can be drafted 2012 will be a great draft year even deeper and stronger than it is now. If it is 20 years up it will be a crappy draft.

[BigBaller]

Raptors trade Ed Davis to Charlotte Bobcats for their first round pick

Raptors trade Ajinca + Alabi for Hasheem Thabeet

Klieza + James Johnson for Mbah a Route + 2012 2nd round pick

Raptors have two top 10 picks

Barnes selected with Raps pick, Kabongo selected with Bobcats pick.

Kabongo/Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa/Bayless
Barnes/Mbah a Route
Bargs/A. Johnson
Valanciunas/Thabeet

Now that is an awesome team right there.

Anyone with thoughts on this trade.

[doudoub]

question: is there a draft even during a lockout?

[Rapsfan07]

Raptors trade Ed Davis to Charlotte Bobcats for their first round pick

Raptors trade Ajinca + Alabi for Hasheem Thabeet

Klieza + James Johnson for Mbah a Route + 2012 2nd round pick

Raptors have two top 10 picks

Barnes selected with Raps pick, Kabongo selected with Bobcats pick.

Kabongo/Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa/Bayless
Barnes/Mbah a Route
Bargs/A. Johnson
Valanciunas/Thabeet

Now that is an awesome team right there.

Anyone with thoughts on this trade.

Don't like it. I'm not high on Hasheem Thabeet at all and in reality I don't see the Bobcats moving their pick straight up for Ed Davis. That's straight up crazy because their pick in all likelihood will be higher than ours. And even if I did get a second top 10 pick, I don't think I'd be taking Kabongo. I don't think I'd be taking Barnes with Raps pick either. I haven't watched Mbah a Moute but I do like what JJ brings to the table. If they're willing to do Mbah a Moute for a healthy Kleiza than sure but other than that I just don't see the point.

[Rapsfan07]

question: is there a draft even during a lockout?

No.

[witnessraps]

Raptors trade Ed Davis to Charlotte Bobcats for their first round pick

Raptors trade Ajinca + Alabi for Hasheem Thabeet

Klieza + James Johnson for Mbah a Route + 2012 2nd round pick

Raptors have two top 10 picks

Barnes selected with Raps pick, Kabongo selected with Bobcats pick.

Kabongo/Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa/Bayless
Barnes/Mbah a Route
Bargs/A. Johnson
Valanciunas/Thabeet

Now that is an awesome team right there.

Anyone with thoughts on this trade.

Charlotte is in legit contention for the number one pick if games are played, so they could potentially land Anthony Davis or Drummond instead of Ed. Although I still think Ed is a fantastic prospect.

Kleiza + JJ for Moute. It's a tough one, I may be more inclined to keep JJ right now than pay Moute. And Thabeet is not so good and pretty expensive, I think we're better off signing an experienced vet for backup C, and Ajinca is a free agent so I don't think that trade would work.

[JamesNaismith]

To answer BigBaller:

1. Yeah there's ZERO chance that CHA gives up their pick unless they brought back STAR talent; nothing less but obviously I do that trade in a heartbeat.

2. I'd have to watch more of Mbah cuz I definitely read some people who are very high on him...I'm leaning towards saying yes I would do that trade just cuz although JJ has the foundation to be a perfect SF off the bench for us I'm cocerned if he will figure it out in a single shortened season (if one even happens).

3. In the minority but I say yes to that trade if it were technically possible (pretty sure we can't include Ajinca as mentioned) but I think Thabeet if he worked out projects much higher then both of them which is pure upsideand which would potentially be great, if not he'll have the same effect as them but then he's a decent amount of salary off the books when he's done.

[Mr Swagtastic]

There is no way The Bobcats move a potential #1 or at worse what a top 5 pick for Davis by himself it's a major pipe dream. The Bobcats are a team that are going to be horrible this year and needs a lot of work. They should be keeping their picks and hoping they don't move any more for dumb as rocks players like Tyrus Thomas aka Stromile v.2

I mean what next you want them to throw in Bismack for Bargs?

As for Big Baller's ideas only one is realistic which is The Bucks idea. The Rockets need a legit 5 in the worst way with Yao calling it a carrer, Thabeet has potentail and is worth more then Alabi and a 12th to 13th man in Ajinca.

The Bucks deal really is a nice move for us we clear a mistake in Linas off the books and get a good defensive role player in Mbah. Yes moving James Johnson hurts but I would take the more proven player right now considering he would want a ton of money. I don't see why The Bucks would do that deal though

[God Squad]

I'd personally do the Bucks deal

[Tofubeque]

I think they're gunna be forced to keep the lotto pretty much as it was just with the lotto balls redone to redetermine the order and maybe even creating a "lotto" amongst the playoff teams (15-30)...cuz I just can't see how some teams like CLE, PHX and ours will allow for a 3yr system (not to mention teams like UTAH and DEN also heading in the same direction).

yeah it really does seem to screw up the teams that have recently lost their stars the most, so it would be nice if they just redo the lotto...and implement the union proposal to give us two 1st rounders

Here's how a lockout draft should work:

Do a poll of American media members to see which teams they think are most likely to be contracted.

TORONTO #1!!!!

[Raptors24seven]

alright if there is a lockout untill nexy year, the raptors will automatically get the 2nd or 3rd pick, which is really good considering how deep this draft is shaping. There is Anthony Davis, who is projected to go number one, and he scouts say right off the bat can have an impact on someones franchise right away, and i agree, has anyone ever seen this guy play? hes a beast dominates the boards, block shots, and scores easy baskets around the paint, although his pick and roll game isnt as good as JONAS V; i would try and trade JONAS to whoever gets the number 1 overall pick, again if theres no lockout the top 3 are shaping up to be the timberwolves, cavaliers, and the raptors.

To Minnesota:
Jonas valancuinas
2013 2nd round pick

To raptors:
2012 1st round pick.

IF CAVALIERS

Cleveland gets:
Jonas valancuinas
James Johnson
2013 2nd round pick

Toronto gets:
2012 1st round pick
2013 2ns rnd pick

If we miracously end up with these picks this is what our team could shape up to be after drafting 1st and 3rd.

2012 1st overall pick --> Anthony Davis
2012 3rd Overall pick --> Harrison barnes or Jared Sullinger


And since we are going to be one the richest teams in free agency with BC saying wed have about 24 mill to spend, we can go out and get people like:

Caron Butler
Tyson CHandler


2012 starting lineup:

Jerryd bayless/???
Demar derozan/Leandro barbosa
HB or JS/caron butler
Andrea bargnani/Ed davis
Anthony Davis/Amir johnson

[JamesNaismith]

The Clippers say hi (they have Minny's pick) and squash this deal.

[Mr Swagtastic]

The Clippers say hi (they have Minny's pick) and squash this deal.

Well Toronto would squash it first. You don't trade a fantastic rebuilding piece in Jonas V for a **** Sullinger! That is stupid if you did that I hope Colangelo gets fired and on his way to the airport he dies a violent death for **** the team over.

Toronto is set up nicely with Jonas to be a potential Marc Gasol type and is looking to add to the core with a top 5 pick at worst. If we draft Drummond or Anthony Davis and Jonas V comes over next year you have one hell of a 4/5 combo. If anything you see if Ed Davis gets you Gillchrist or if Ed + a 2013 protected pick gets you Miller (might be realistic cause he's slumping a bit) or Barnes and you go forward with your cap space to add pieces to the core.

[witnessraps]

These teams passed on Val....highly doubtful would they trade their 2012 pick for him, and the Raps should definitely not be shopping Val.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I don't see a real need for Barbosa - I mean, he is the lone backup SG on the team, but I'd think that we could get somebody who's cheaper than 7.6 mil to backup DeMar. He's just kind of here and out of place. Any idea as to where we may be able to ship him off to? Trade deadline may be more likely, but it doesn't hurt to canvass teams now, particulary if BC wants extra space under the cap (rather than using the amnesty now - could be kept aside for later).

Basically, as enjoyable as he is to watch, I think Barbosa would be better off elsewhere to be honest.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I don't see a real need for Barbosa - I mean, he is the lone backup SG on the team, but I'd think that we could get somebody who's cheaper than 7.6 mil to backup DeMar. He's just kind of here and out of place. Any idea as to where we may be able to ship him off to? Trade deadline may be more likely, but it doesn't hurt to canvass teams now, particulary if BC wants extra space under the cap (rather than using the amnesty now - could be kept aside for later).

Basically, as enjoyable as he is to watch, I think Barbosa would be better off elsewhere to be honest.

definitely agree. I'm not sure where we could send him though. Seeing as we don't really need the capspace now in this free agent class, but are better served having it next summer (or the summer after that), it may be better to just keep him on the roster and let him expire, unless if we can find a deal where we get some sort of pick/prospect back.
If Houston wants to save a bit of capspace, I'd do Barbosa for Flynn+Thabeet, but I don't see them going for it.
If any of last year's lotto teams wants to dump a contract along with their pick for Barbosa (something like pick + Biedrins/Gooden/CV for Barbosa?), I'd do that, but again, I don't see those teams going for it.

If the Nets want to continue to create capspace for a big free agent spending spree next summer, I think I'd do Barbosa for Outlaw+the Nets 2012 pick (it could also be the Rockets lotto-protected pick, but that could take a while to get). We land another 2012 talent in this draft (probably a late lotto to mid 1st rounder?). I would try to amnesty Outlaw soon after if we can, or if we're not allowed to do that, then cut Jose to keep our cap at the same level. This way we get two (hopefully) quality talents out of this draft, instead of taking a risk on a possibly bad draft class in 2013 if they institute a two-year rule. Of course the issue here is with a rich owner like Prokhorov they might just want to amnesty Outlaw and keep the pick, although having Barbosa as a viable scorer option could help keep Deron happy this year.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

^Aren't we going to end up with Flynn, regardless lol? I think we end up absorbing his contract from Houston if we could first find a home for Barbosa.

I'm looking at Indiana for Dahntay Jones + 2nd rd. pick or something like that. Indy would have a bench of Hill/Barbosa/Rush/Hansborough, no?