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Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert 

Post#1401 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:50 am

JustCame wrote:His main weakness is bball iq..that's a terrible one to have. I hope he smartens up! If he does, he has a Penny Hardaway-like potential. If not, he's another J.R. Smith type.


His team two years ago was poorly coached and at the time he only had one other good player -- Lawal (Favors was not a go to player in college...let alone in the NBA). Last year, his team was poorly coached and he had nobody else good on the team period! His team was crap. He felt like he had to put the team on his back in order to compete -- he was right to think that. He's going to fit in nicely with our team because he won't have to be the #1 option like he had to be in college. He doesn't have a low BBIQ.
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Post#1402 » by Aries » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:09 am

JustCame wrote:His main weakness is bball iq..that's a terrible one to have. I hope he smartens up! If he does, he has a Penny Hardaway-like potential. If not, he's another J.R. Smith type.

He's never played a game yet, how can he have a weak BBIQ?

Comparing him to JR is just an insult.
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Post#1403 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:25 am

Aries wrote:
JustCame wrote:His main weakness is bball iq..that's a terrible one to have. I hope he smartens up! If he does, he has a Penny Hardaway-like potential. If not, he's another J.R. Smith type.

He's never played a game yet, how can he have a weak BBIQ?

Comparing him to JR is just an insult.


Wait! He's never played a game of basketball yet?!! WTF is wrong with management picking up guys who've never even played?!!! F*CK!!!
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Post#1404 » by NY2TheBay » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:31 am

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JustCame wrote:His main weakness is bball iq..that's a terrible one to have. I hope he smartens up! If he does, he has a Penny Hardaway-like potential. If not, he's another J.R. Smith type.


His team two years ago was poorly coached and at the time he only had one other good player -- Lawal (Favors was not a go to player in college...let alone in the NBA). Last year, his team was poorly coached and he had nobody else good on the team period! His team was crap. He felt like he had to put the team on his back in order to compete -- he was right to think that. He's going to fit in nicely with our team because he won't have to be the #1 option like he had to be in college. He doesn't have a low BBIQ.


Well put. Its an outlandish statement to say he has a low bball IQ before he has played a game in the NBA and due to the conditions he was playing under at Tech.

Comparing him to JR Smith is so far from what this kid is actually like. He has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty bright as well as being the son of a professor, school was taken seriously in his household. While JR Smith...well...just look at the circus he puts on after hitting a 3.

Honestly, I dislike when people come out and make statements like this when they don't even have a fundamental background on the issue. Do your homework!
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Post#1405 » by JustCame » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:41 am

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Paco wrote:His team two years ago was poorly coached and at the time he only had one other good player -- Lawal (Favors was not a go to player in college...let alone in the NBA). Last year, his team was poorly coached and he had nobody else good on the team period! His team was crap. He felt like he had to put the team on his back in order to compete -- he was right to think that. He's going to fit in nicely with our team because he won't have to be the #1 option like he had to be in college. He doesn't have a low BBIQ.


Well put. Its an outlandish statement to say he has a low bball IQ before he has played a game in the NBA and due to the conditions he was playing under at Tech.

Comparing him to JR Smith is so far from what this kid is actually like. He has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty bright as well as being the son of a professor, school was taken seriously in his household. While JR Smith...well...just look at the circus he puts on after hitting a 3.

Honestly, I dislike when people come out and make statements like this when they don't even have a fundamental background on the issue. Do your homework!


Oh excuse me and my unknowledgeable view of the matter. I'm sorry if I'm not part of the over-infatuated folk that defines most of this sub-forums' love for Iman. Obviously I didn't look into his background because who has the time to do that? Oh wait you two do. :o

I just read multiple scouting reports on him which listed him as an undisciplined, inadequately jump shooting, and basketball IQ lacking individual. Obviously weakness-wise..you guys know all about the strengths of this man!

..My "homework" doesn't involve basketball background checks. I actually just finished a 5 page report of Lenin's ideologic views vs. his hypocritical actions, so yeah, I did do my homework. :wavefinger:

......I'm tired. >_<
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Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert 

Post#1406 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:29 am

JustCame wrote:
NY2TheBay wrote:
Paco wrote:His team two years ago was poorly coached and at the time he only had one other good player -- Lawal (Favors was not a go to player in college...let alone in the NBA). Last year, his team was poorly coached and he had nobody else good on the team period! His team was crap. He felt like he had to put the team on his back in order to compete -- he was right to think that. He's going to fit in nicely with our team because he won't have to be the #1 option like he had to be in college. He doesn't have a low BBIQ.


Well put. Its an outlandish statement to say he has a low bball IQ before he has played a game in the NBA and due to the conditions he was playing under at Tech.

Comparing him to JR Smith is so far from what this kid is actually like. He has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty bright as well as being the son of a professor, school was taken seriously in his household. While JR Smith...well...just look at the circus he puts on after hitting a 3.

Honestly, I dislike when people come out and make statements like this when they don't even have a fundamental background on the issue. Do your homework!


Oh excuse me and my unknowledgeable view of the matter. I'm sorry if I'm not part of the over-infatuated folk that defines most of this sub-forums' love for Iman. Obviously I didn't look into his background because who has the time to do that? Oh wait you two do. :o

I just read multiple scouting reports on him which listed him as an undisciplined, inadequately jump shooting, and basketball IQ lacking individual. Obviously weakness-wise..you guys know all about the strengths of this man!

..My "homework" doesn't involve basketball background checks. I actually just finished a 5 page report of Lenin's ideologic views vs. his hypocritical actions, so yeah, I did do my homework. :wavefinger:

......I'm tired. >_<


That's why you don't trust scouting reports 100%. You gotta watch the games yourself. DId he force a lot of shots in college? Yes, but that's because he had nobody else on the team. When you're the clear cut best player on the team you're undoubtedly going to put up bad shots because you don't trust your team as much as you should. Put him on a team with two stars and a solid point and he'll be just fine.

Low BBIQ is someone like Anthony Randolph. Iman was just in a terrible situation.

Also, as for the homework you did...I have 6 essays due between now and Dec 15th (4 done). So sh. :lol:
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Post#1407 » by Aries » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:20 pm

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JustCame wrote:His main weakness is bball iq..that's a terrible one to have. I hope he smartens up! If he does, he has a Penny Hardaway-like potential. If not, he's another J.R. Smith type.

He's never played a game yet, how can he have a weak BBIQ?

Comparing him to JR is just an insult.


Wait! He's never played a game of basketball yet?!! WTF is wrong with management picking up guys who've never even played?!!! F*CK!!!

Pro Game obviously :lol:
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Post#1408 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:44 pm

Aries wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:
Aries wrote:He's never played a game yet, how can he have a weak BBIQ?

Comparing him to JR is just an insult.


Wait! He's never played a game of basketball yet?!! WTF is wrong with management picking up guys who've never even played?!!! F*CK!!!

Pro Game obviously :lol:


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Post#1409 » by iDunk » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:46 pm

I can see it now, Iman with a steal and race towards the other end for the tomahawk.
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Post#1410 » by NY2TheBay » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:59 pm

JustCame wrote:
NY2TheBay wrote:
Paco wrote:His team two years ago was poorly coached and at the time he only had one other good player -- Lawal (Favors was not a go to player in college...let alone in the NBA). Last year, his team was poorly coached and he had nobody else good on the team period! His team was crap. He felt like he had to put the team on his back in order to compete -- he was right to think that. He's going to fit in nicely with our team because he won't have to be the #1 option like he had to be in college. He doesn't have a low BBIQ.


Well put. Its an outlandish statement to say he has a low bball IQ before he has played a game in the NBA and due to the conditions he was playing under at Tech.

Comparing him to JR Smith is so far from what this kid is actually like. He has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty bright as well as being the son of a professor, school was taken seriously in his household. While JR Smith...well...just look at the circus he puts on after hitting a 3.

Honestly, I dislike when people come out and make statements like this when they don't even have a fundamental background on the issue. Do your homework!


Oh excuse me and my unknowledgeable view of the matter. I'm sorry if I'm not part of the over-infatuated folk that defines most of this sub-forums' love for Iman. Obviously I didn't look into his background because who has the time to do that? Oh wait you two do. :o

I just read multiple scouting reports on him which listed him as an undisciplined, inadequately jump shooting, and basketball IQ lacking individual. Obviously weakness-wise..you guys know all about the strengths of this man!

..My "homework" doesn't involve basketball background checks. I actually just finished a 5 page report of Lenin's ideologic views vs. his hypocritical actions, so yeah, I did do my homework. :wavefinger:

......I'm tired. >_<


Lenin's ideologic views vs. hypocritical actions has nothing to do with homework on a player. Ive done my share of school work in my time but this is a knicks forum. Your posts have a re-occurring theme of lack of knowledge on the given subject and seems to get other posters fired up when you come out and make bold statements.

Id stick to leninism and breaking down his actions if I was you, probably wont cause a rise out of your teacher or fellow colleagues. 8-)
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Post#1411 » by NYK StateOfMind » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:51 pm

With an explosive Toney Douglas, a well-rounded Landry Fields, an athletic Bill Walker and what looks to be a promosing rookie threat in Iman Shumpert; The Knicks now feature a very talented young nucleus of Guards.

Having two stars in Amare and Melo at the Forward positions, will not only open up the floor for these guards to operate in, but they'll also help these young kids develope "the right way".

I'm very amped to see the overall progression of Fields from his rookie year of last year when compared to his sophmore season of this year. Both Fields and Douglas remind me of Knicks of the early 90's in terms of how they hustle 24/7. Hopefully I'll be able to say the same in regards to Shumpert, but everything I've seen out of this rookie Guard thus far; has New York Star written all over his game.
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Post#1412 » by JustCame » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:28 pm

NY2TheBay wrote:
JustCame wrote:
NY2TheBay wrote:
Well put. Its an outlandish statement to say he has a low bball IQ before he has played a game in the NBA and due to the conditions he was playing under at Tech.

Comparing him to JR Smith is so far from what this kid is actually like. He has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty bright as well as being the son of a professor, school was taken seriously in his household. While JR Smith...well...just look at the circus he puts on after hitting a 3.

Honestly, I dislike when people come out and make statements like this when they don't even have a fundamental background on the issue. Do your homework!


Oh excuse me and my unknowledgeable view of the matter. I'm sorry if I'm not part of the over-infatuated folk that defines most of this sub-forums' love for Iman. Obviously I didn't look into his background because who has the time to do that? Oh wait you two do. :o

I just read multiple scouting reports on him which listed him as an undisciplined, inadequately jump shooting, and basketball IQ lacking individual. Obviously weakness-wise..you guys know all about the strengths of this man!

..My "homework" doesn't involve basketball background checks. I actually just finished a 5 page report of Lenin's ideologic views vs. his hypocritical actions, so yeah, I did do my homework. :wavefinger:

......I'm tired. >_<


Lenin's ideologic views vs. hypocritical actions has nothing to do with homework on a player. Ive done my share of school work in my time but this is a knicks forum. Your posts have a re-occurring theme of lack of knowledge on the given subject and seems to get other posters fired up when you come out and make bold statements.

Id stick to leninism and breaking down his actions if I was you, probably wont cause a rise out of your teacher or fellow colleagues. 8-)


Re-read what you said. I was told to do my homework, but there wasn't any specificity in that statement. My homework had all of nothing to do with basketball. Maybe if you had told me to do my research on a player, then we could start there and give this last post some credibility.

Oh, and the fact that my posts stir up conversation is in itself a viable asset to any topic. :meditate:
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Post#1413 » by stuporman » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:34 am

Someone who thinks doing their 'homework' on a player is reading other people's opinions instead of actually watching the player themselves play is already showing their own lack of basketball IQ. :lol:
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Post#1414 » by NY2TheBay » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:05 am

stuporman wrote:Someone who thinks doing their 'homework' on a player is reading other people's opinions instead of actually watching the player themselves play is already showing their own lack of basketball IQ. :lol:


Indeed. I feel no need to respond, I dont need credibility from someone behind a computer with a username Just Came. 8-)
Opinions of his have fallen on deaf ears for quite sometime.
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Post#1415 » by JustCame » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:39 am

stuporman wrote:Someone who thinks doing their 'homework' on a player is reading other people's opinions instead of actually watching the player themselves play is already showing their own lack of basketball IQ. :lol:


Would you like to show me full games of GT playing then? I've seen all of his videos on YouTube, but those only show his highlights, so you have to take what you see with a grain of salt.

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stuporman wrote:Someone who thinks doing their 'homework' on a player is reading other people's opinions instead of actually watching the player themselves play is already showing their own lack of basketball IQ. :lol:


Indeed. I feel no need to respond, I dont need credibility from someone behind a computer with a username Just Came. 8-)
Opinions of his have fallen on deaf ears for quite sometime.


I never offered. If you re-read (once again, and most likely again after this; wasn't literacy substantially increased some time in the 17th century?) what I posted, the credibility offered was rhetorically from the various, general public.

Furthermore, your condescending attitude is much appreciated and much expected from someone as nitwitted as you seem. Every time I respond to one of your illogical, ostentatious posts you seem to inexplicably miss the main points. You should probably work on your actual IQ as opposed to your basketball IQ, but even then you'd still be lacking in the latter department. :lol:
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Post#1416 » by NY2TheBay » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:27 am

^^ If you cant logically comprehend the statements Ive made as well as others than your'e oblivious to the fact. There was nothing illogical Ive stated in my post or any of my posts. Your lack of knowledge bleeds through your posts. I don't need credibility from you, nor want it, offered or not. I am done acknowledging you.

Looking forward to watching Iman hit the NBA hardwood. I think he is really going to give landry a run for the starting shooting guard spot. Regardless, I see him getting starter minutes or at least 20 minutes a night. He'll be on the floor more when we play teams with extremely quick and explosive pg's i.e. rose, rondo of the worlds.
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Post#1417 » by stuporman » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:23 am

I think with Shump, as was the case with Fields, his effectiveness will be determined on how well he can fill the role he is asked to play. He won't really be asked to distribute the ball or create his won shot as he was asked to do throughout his college career.

He will be asked to defend his ass off, rebound with attitude, run the court finishing with ferocity, hit the open jump shots he'll undoubtedly get playing next to two stars, make the extra pass and stay within his abilities not making mistakes by trying to do too much.

Fields proved to be very effective in that role exceeding all of the scouting reports and experts who called him a fringe player who probably shouldn't have even been drafted. Shump has the skill and agility to do exactly as Fields did while potentially being a much better defender right out of the gate.

He doesn't have to be a 'star' or take over a game yet his skill set and athletic ability could prove to be a game changer as a role player even as a rookie much in the same way Fields impact was eye opening as a role player. Time will tell.

Although to make wholesale determinations about him before he has a chance to even play one minute of real NBA basketball based on scouting reports, so called 'experts' or pundits and a few youtube highlight videos all have which, time and time again, proven to be wrong just as often if not more than they are right is flawed methodology to form an opinion on.

Again, time will tell.
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Post#1418 » by NY2TheBay » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:22 am

stuporman wrote:I think with Shump, as was the case with Fields, his effectiveness will be determined on how well he can fill the role he is asked to play. He won't really be asked to distribute the ball or create his won shot as he was asked to do throughout his college career.

He will be asked to defend his ass off, rebound with attitude, run the court finishing with ferocity, hit the open jump shots he'll undoubtedly get playing next to two stars, make the extra pass and stay within his abilities not making mistakes by trying to do too much.

Fields proved to be very effective in that role exceeding all of the scouting reports and experts who called him a fringe player who probably shouldn't have even been drafted. Shump has the skill and agility to do exactly as Fields did while potentially being a much better defender right out of the gate.

He doesn't have to be a 'star' or take over a game yet his skill set and athletic ability could prove to be a game changer as a role player even as a rookie much in the same way Fields impact was eye opening as a role player. Time will tell.

Although to make wholesale determinations about him before he has a chance to even play one minute of real NBA basketball based on scouting reports, so called 'experts' or pundits and a few youtube highlight videos all have which, time and time again, proven to be wrong just as often if not more than they are right is flawed methodology to form an opinion on.

Again, time will tell.


Very well put. I think with the pressure off shumpert and him not being "the guy" he will be able to rely on his natural talents; defending, finishing at the rim, getting out in transition and hitting the open shot. Not being put in iso situations and benefiting from the double teams melo and amare will get will allow him to excel as well as being mentored by chauncey (which cannot be overlooked). His attitude exudes confidence yet he is humble in his work ethic approach which is perfect for the big apple.
But only time will tell as you stated which gets me excited.
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Post#1419 » by NoMoreThrees » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:00 pm

NYK StateOfMind wrote:With an explosive Toney Douglas, a well-rounded Landry Fields, an athletic Bill Walker and what looks to be a promosing rookie threat in Iman Shumpert; The Knicks now feature a very talented young nucleus of Guards.



little wish there no? i dont see this very talented thing. i see three career bench players none too special and a rookie nobody has seen play.
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Post#1420 » by Falstaffxx » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:26 pm

NoMoreThrees wrote:
NYK StateOfMind wrote:With an explosive Toney Douglas, a well-rounded Landry Fields, an athletic Bill Walker and what looks to be a promosing rookie threat in Iman Shumpert; The Knicks now feature a very talented young nucleus of Guards.



little wish there no? i dont see this very talented thing. i see three career bench players none too special and a rookie nobody has seen play.


They are talented though.

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