Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[2010]

Here is the thing about Jamal. He is someone that listens to the coach. Sure, he is going to chuck up some shots but he is not selfish. If he is told to stop it, he will, no doubt. I like this trade if it happens.

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I like this move. We're going all in to compete for a championship now. I laugh at people all nervous about Crawford based on his past here when we had no dominant personalities or superstars around him. Crawford will be DEADLY as a third scoring option behind Stat & Melo. If anything he allows us to actually play a lineup where we can rest both simultaneously. There is great value in that. It will keep our stars fresh. Star players love Crawford, that should tell you something about what he brings to the table. They all hold him in very high regard (Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Stat, Melo, Durant, etc.) each speak highly of him. They understand his value, if the fans don't. Crawford was miscast in his first stint in NY. He was originally brought in to be a third option behind Marbury/Houston...it just didn't work out that way due to Houston's debilitating knee injury. Don't conveniently ignore that fact. Lastly, regarding Crawford's defensive shortcomings...Iman Shumpert mitigates those concerns. Doesn't matter how young or unproven he is. He defends, he WANTS to defend and he has a defensive mentality. If nothing else he will get minutes behind Crawford if he's a turnstile, for those very reasons.

[Manhattan Project]

Opposing backcourts will have a field day against J.J and Crawford. I like what Crawford brings offensively to this team, but the defense from our backcourt will not be pretty.

Probably, but D'Antoni will justify it by saying this is why we signed Chandler and also brought on Woodon. I don't mind Crawford, just hated when he masqueraded around as the number one option. When he isn't forcing shots, he actually has a solid stroke. With Amar'e and Melo, I really do believe he could feast from the lack of attention he would get if we swung the ball around.

[DE FENSE]

If we get crawford were gonna win a championship.

[Rasho Brezec]

HE IS NOT STARTING AT POINT GUARD. Barea will or Bibby will.

One of the writers tweeted coaching staff says Bibby is a backup. Barea is about as much a Knick as Chris Paul is a Laker.

[Falstaffxx]

I think Douglas is about as good as Crawford right now, and all else being equal, I think I'd prefer Douglas doing whatever it is Crawford would be doing for us.

If we can get Barea, I can see the Douglas for Crawford trade, but even then I think it's kind of a side-grade.

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Can confirm multiple NY reports that Knicks are in pursuit of @JCrossover. Hawks initially balked at sign/trade Sat., but are reassessing.
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[KnicksFan007]

Terry is a better shooter than Crawford.

That means nothing. Everyone can be a good shooter here.

Carlisle is a better coach, at least defensively, than D'Antoni.

No he's not. They hired Casey to be the defensive assistant. Before that, Rick's job was on the line after losing to the Spurs and losing the year before that.

Deshawn Stevenson, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion and Tyson Chandler were all in the lineup for their defensive prowess.

That means nothing.

Terry was the sparkplug off the bench.

And that is the role Crawford will play. You know? The guy who scored 52 against the Heat? 16 in a row?

The difference with that team (and nearly every championship team) is that they have a good balance of defense and scoring. The Knicks right now are top heavy in scoring with little defense. They have Jeffries, unknown Shumpert, Douglas, Fields and Chandler. Only one (maybe two, if Crawford isn't here) will be starting. Chandler cannot mask the defensive deficiencies of everyone of the court. He'll help Amar'e stay out of foul trouble. He'll make us a better defensive team down low. But he will get in foul trouble when Crawford is constantly letting him man beat him off the dribble and right into the paint. Tyson can't fix that. Guys will need to keep their man in front of them if Tyson is to be effective. Stevenson, Marion and Kidd all did a good job with that. Tyson fed off that and helped them tremendously. The Mavericks, like every other NBA champion, had that right mix of offense and defense. We don't have that mix right now. We need more defense. 100% we need more defense.

Please tell me who can we sign to make our defense so great? Because apparently Douglas allowing Rondo to get layups all of a sudden makes him Gary Payton to this board in a matter of hours.

The Hawks went further than us with defense and Crawford played a bulk of those minutes. It's just a bias opinion towards him.

Everyone we are moaning about an NBA team is trying to get. You think the Bulls give a crap about his defense? They wanted to sign him.

[The_Philosopher]

Barea and Crawford would be one of the worst defensive back courts in the league.

[Fury]

If it's Crawford vs Douglas, I'm taking Crawford

[Knicker23]

People who would turn down Crawford are still in the pre-Chandler mindset days of not getting all we can get for $ purposes.... If Bibby is available, you get him in our situation.... If Crawford is available, you get him in our situation...... JJ and Baron as well [probably more so than Crawford]... Just like the Heat.

[The_Philosopher]

Terry is a better shooter than Crawford.

That means nothing. Everyone can be a good shooter here.

Carlisle is a better coach, at least defensively, than D'Antoni.

No he's not. They hired Casey to be the defensive assistant. Before that, Rick's job was on the line after losing to the Spurs and losing the year before that.

Deshawn Stevenson, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion and Tyson Chandler were all in the lineup for their defensive prowess.

That means nothing.

Terry was the sparkplug off the bench.

And that is the role Crawford will play. You know? The guy who scored 52 against the Heat? 16 in a row?

The difference with that team (and nearly every championship team) is that they have a good balance of defense and scoring. The Knicks right now are top heavy in scoring with little defense. They have Jeffries, unknown Shumpert, Douglas, Fields and Chandler. Only one (maybe two, if Crawford isn't here) will be starting. Chandler cannot mask the defensive deficiencies of everyone of the court. He'll help Amar'e stay out of foul trouble. He'll make us a better defensive team down low. But he will get in foul trouble when Crawford is constantly letting him man beat him off the dribble and right into the paint. Tyson can't fix that. Guys will need to keep their man in front of them if Tyson is to be effective. Stevenson, Marion and Kidd all did a good job with that. Tyson fed off that and helped them tremendously. The Mavericks, like every other NBA champion, had that right mix of offense and defense. We don't have that mix right now. We need more defense. 100% we need more defense.

Please tell me who can we sign to make our defense so great? Because apparently Douglas allowing Rondo to get layups all of a sudden makes him Gary Payton to this board in a matter of hours.

The Hawks went further than us with defense and Crawford played a bulk of those minutes. It's just a bias opinion towards him.

Everyone we are moaning about an NBA team is trying to get. You think the Bulls give a crap about his defense? They wanted to sign him.

How can I have a reply back to such fine points made.

Give me a break. Just admit you're a Crawford fanboy who wants him back under any circumstances.

[Falstaffxx]

People who would turn down Crawford are still in the pre-Chandler mindset days of not getting all we can get.... If Bibby is available, you get him in our situation.... If Crawford is available, you get him in our situation...... JJ and Baron as well [probably more so than Crawford]... Just like the Heat.

Bibby was a vet minimum signing. Crawford is a trade so you have to weigh the value of what we'd be giving up.

[Thugger HBC]

Anyone who endorses Toney Douglas as the starting point guard for a contender, doesn't really want to win.

[cgmw]

The thing I love best about this is that it means we're not just sitting around waiting for Paul, Dwight, or Deron. Make **** happen now with what's available now. We've got a great core. Adding pieces like Crawford is exactly what we should be doing.

[Falstaffxx]

Anyone who endorses Toney Douglas as the starting point guard for a contender, doesn't really want to win.

Whether or not to trade Douglas for Crawford doesn't have anything to do with whether you want Douglas as starting point guard.

[KnicksFan007]

Terry is a better shooter than Crawford.

That means nothing. Everyone can be a good shooter here.

Carlisle is a better coach, at least defensively, than D'Antoni.

No he's not. They hired Casey to be the defensive assistant. Before that, Rick's job was on the line after losing to the Spurs and losing the year before that.

Deshawn Stevenson, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion and Tyson Chandler were all in the lineup for their defensive prowess.

That means nothing.

Terry was the sparkplug off the bench.

And that is the role Crawford will play. You know? The guy who scored 52 against the Heat? 16 in a row?

The difference with that team (and nearly every championship team) is that they have a good balance of defense and scoring. The Knicks right now are top heavy in scoring with little defense. They have Jeffries, unknown Shumpert, Douglas, Fields and Chandler. Only one (maybe two, if Crawford isn't here) will be starting. Chandler cannot mask the defensive deficiencies of everyone of the court. He'll help Amar'e stay out of foul trouble. He'll make us a better defensive team down low. But he will get in foul trouble when Crawford is constantly letting him man beat him off the dribble and right into the paint. Tyson can't fix that. Guys will need to keep their man in front of them if Tyson is to be effective. Stevenson, Marion and Kidd all did a good job with that. Tyson fed off that and helped them tremendously. The Mavericks, like every other NBA champion, had that right mix of offense and defense. We don't have that mix right now. We need more defense. 100% we need more defense.

Please tell me who can we sign to make our defense so great? Because apparently Douglas allowing Rondo to get layups all of a sudden makes him Gary Payton to this board in a matter of hours.

The Hawks went further than us with defense and Crawford played a bulk of those minutes. It's just a bias opinion towards him.

Everyone we are moaning about an NBA team is trying to get. You think the Bulls give a crap about his defense? They wanted to sign him.

How can I have a reply back to such fine points made.

Give me a break. Just admit you're a Crawford fanboy who wants him back under any circumstances.

Great job trying to debate a point and giving up.

No. I'm a fan of a Sixth Man that helps a winning team under Woodson he played the best basketball of his career and won Sixth Man of the year. I bet the NBA GMs is such a crawford fanboy too?

Your just a "omgsz dey isiah days is back lets hate everyone!" fan but would allow Toney Douglas to get away with his inconsistent defense and his days of chucking into the shot clock.

[Da_Mane_Man]

the ONLY thing that concerns me about this move is that i read somewhere that crawford wants to be promised a starting spot wherever he signs. that would be AWFUL. he needs the ball in his hands way too much to be able to play with melo and stat. as good as i think this move would be to have him as our 6th man, it would be 10x worse if he were brought here to start.

[ITGM]

I'm going to take my Sunday afternoon nap. I expect this 40 page thread about Jamal Crawford to reach 75 pages by the time I wake up. Don't let me down fellaz..

[Thugger HBC]

Anyone who endorses Toney Douglas as the starting point guard for a contender, doesn't really want to win.

Whether or not to trade Douglas for Crawford doesn't have anything to do with whether you want Douglas as starting point guard.

I have said Toney won't have the ball, so it has zero to with me personally.

Melo will be running the offense.

The discussion of Jamal Crawford is the conception that he WOULD be replacing TD as the starter, whereas I believe he is best as the sixth man.

[Falstaffxx]

the ONLY thing that concerns me about this move is that i read somewhere that crawford wants to be promised a starting spot wherever he signs. that would be AWFUL. he needs the ball in his hands way too much to be able to play with melo and stat. as good as i think this move would be to have him as our 6th man, it would be 10x worse if he were brought here to start.

If we trade for Crawford, it's obviously to make him our starting shooting guard.

[god shammgod]

I'm going to take my Sunday afternoon nap. I expect this 40 page thread about Jamal Crawford to reach 75 pages by the time I wake up. Don't let me down fellaz..