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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#681 » by Jetset » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:44 pm

spree8 wrote:No link, but dudes on the Wolves board said Bucher is reporting that the offer is in fact both Williams and Love for Gasol.

Kahn isn't really the brightest Gm, and when he likes a player he kinda goes all out for him regardless of logic...look at the whole pg issue...multiple times (drafting Rubio, then Flynn, then Rubio finally comes, and he signs Barea) but some of their fans think that with a possibility of K-Love leaving then it would be a good trade. Kind of suprising how some of them liked the idea.

Derrick Williams AND Kevin Love for Pau? :o What a way to redeem yourself Mitch...if you can actually pull it off.


Yeah that's the one I was talking about. It was said that discussions were "light" but were definitely being had. What a great haul we'd get in return, but I can't see Minnesota overpaying to that extent for Pau no matter how much Rubio wants him there.
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#682 » by Doormatt » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:56 pm

So we're about to rape Minnesota?

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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#683 » by Jetset » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:01 pm

lol. But If we're trying to move Gasol outside of a deal that involves him going to Orlando, then a deal with Minnesota does make the most sense and we stand to get more out of them than any other team.
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#684 » by Doormatt » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:07 pm

Also lol@ the Kobe trade rumors. Honestly, I'm not that worried if he wants to demand a trade. Nobody can exchange 30+ million in salary to take him and still remain competitive (as well as satisfy laker management demands). Even if the impossible did happen and he got traded, we could then find a way to seriously clear cap and then go after Dwill and/or Dwight next summer.

Really, Kobe is ****. And it's coming from multiple fronts right now.
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#685 » by Kilroy » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:00 pm

I'm still not getting the vibe that Kobe is pissed and wants out.

I think he's giving everything a chance... And I think Mitch shared his plans with him.
He's just waiting to see what happens.
I do kinda get the feeling he's not sold on the coaching situation though. But I don't think it's a "demands a trade" situation.

He's probably just upset about his personal life more than anything...
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#686 » by wfiles » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:21 pm

Imagine if the Lakers traded Pau for Kevin Love and Derrick Williams. That's a young core with Bynum to take over once Kobe's done. :o

Andrew Bynum - 24 years old
Kevin Love - 23 years old
Derrick Williams - 20 years old
Kobe - 33 years old
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#687 » by Doormatt » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:26 pm

Why not just trade kobe for expirings and say **** it, let's just go all out rebuild mode? There's some pretty nice free agents next year too, and that 2012 draft is lookin mighty sexy. Everyone just imagine an alternate world where this is our lineup.

Deron Williams
Jeremy Lamb
Derrick Williams
Kevin Love
Dwight Howard

Just close your eyes. Go ahead. Just think about it. And it's not an impossible dream.
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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#688 » by Jetset » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:27 pm

Kilroy wrote:I'm still not getting the vibe that Kobe is pissed and wants out.

I think he's giving everything a chance... And I think Mitch shared his plans with him.
He's just waiting to see what happens.
I do kinda get the feeling he's not sold on the coaching situation though. But I don't think it's a "demands a trade" situation.

He's probably just upset about his personal life more than anything...


It's just Screaming A. Smith and his "I've known Kobe for 13 yrs, he going to demand a trade" bs.

wfiles wrote:Imagine if the Lakers traded Pau for Kevin Love and Derrick Williams. That's a young core with Bynum to take over once Kobe's done. :o

Andrew Bynum - 24 years old
Kevin Love - 23 years old
Derrick Williams - 20 years old
Kobe - 33 years old


It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine because Williams and Bynum would surely be flipped for Howard.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#689 » by Doormatt » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:34 pm

If Kahn pulls this deal off, he's going down as the greatest villain in minnesota history since Tom Shevlin got arrested for violating the 10mph speed limit in 1902.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#690 » by Kilroy » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:05 pm

I'm guessing Kahn called us to judge our interest in trading Pau and WE asked for Love and Williams... I doubt it's what Kahn wanted to give... That's probably why the talks are 'Light'... Which I'm sure is a euphemism for 'dead.'
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#691 » by semi-sentient » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:20 pm

Kevin Love and Dwight Howard would make a nice FC. The odds of this happening are slim, but it brings happy thoughts to my dome.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#692 » by WestSideChamp » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:38 pm

Rick Bucher really tells it like it ain't.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#693 » by myersia » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:51 pm

where is this kevin love stuff coming from? source?
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Post#694 » by Doormatt » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:53 pm

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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#695 » by Jetset » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:54 pm

myersia wrote:where is this kevin love stuff coming from? source?


Bucher.

Now normally I don't take Bucher seriously in anything he says and probably wouldn't have changed the thread title but it's already known that we're trying our hardest to move Gasol, so I do believe that we had discussions. But it's probably far from happening.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#696 » by myersia » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:55 pm

Doormatt wrote:Ric Buchers ass


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Re: ORL takes Howard off trade block/Clips trade for Paul pg 

Post#697 » by The_Trade_Seer » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:06 pm

Doormatt wrote:Also lol@ the Kobe trade rumors. Honestly, I'm not that worried if he wants to demand a trade. Nobody can exchange 30+ million in salary to take him and still remain competitive (as well as satisfy laker management demands). Even if the impossible did happen and he got traded, we could then find a way to seriously clear cap and then go after Dwill and/or Dwight next summer.

Really, Kobe is ****. And it's coming from multiple fronts right now.


Man, I wake up today to the news we might get KLove and Beast Williams for Pau ... WOW!!!!! Of course there will be more to that deal as it doesn't work finanically but something like Pau, Ebanks, Caracter, rights to Goudelock, picks and cash for Love, Williams, Darko and Tolliver would work ... honestly I'd trade Bynum and picks for Love and Williams and Pau for Love and Beasley ... if we really got Love and Derrick, wow.

Now ... to the KOBE SITUATION mentioned above ... while I would be ecstatic to get Love and Williams for Pau as I'm sure we could easily package Bynum and Derrick Williams for D12 straight up, no Hedo or picks needed ... this also SCARES ME BIG TIME.

Why? Because, we just traded Odom for a pick and cap relief and now we are trading Pau for two youngsters ... doesn't it sort of seem like Kobe is next and that Jim Buss plan is NOT to get D12 but to build around Bynum, something we all feared would happen last year when Dr. Buss handed the reigns over to Jimmy?

Think about it ... Bynum, Love and Williams ... that is a front line that could dominate for the next 8-10 years, and if you can get a nice young PG and SG in return for Kobe you have a new young starting 5 ready to roll for the next decade ... uh-oh.

POSSIBLE KOBE TRADES ... from MOST UNLIKELY TO MOST LIKELY:

Kobe to the Magic for Jameer, Redick, Jason Richardson, Orton, picks and cash

NOTE: The Lakers could seemingly do much, much better than this package for the Black Mamba but if Jim Buss was really dedicated to moving him and he forced their hand, he could join Superman in Orlando and save that city from their worst nightmare.


Kobe, Fisher and Caracter to GSW for Curry, Ellis, Kwame, Amundsun, picks and cash

NOTE: If you don't think Jim Buss would do this trade after a Pau for Love/Williams you're insane ... he would. As for Kobe ... I don't see him waiving his no trade clause for the Warriors.


Kobe, Blake and Barnes to the Grizzlies for Gay, Mayo and Conley

NOTE: I believe Jim Buss would do this trade if he could move Gay and Conley to another team for a better PG ... the Nets for Deron Williams perhaps? Kobe in Memphis sounds unthinkable but he may just sign off on playing with Z-Bo, Marc Gasol and a tough SF like Tony Allen ...


Kobe, Fisher, Artest and McRoberts to the 76'ers for Jrue, Evan, Brand, Nocioni and Battie

NOTE: This is the deal that makes the absolute most sense for the Lakers. Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner would be the perfect PG/SG combo to add to a Bynum/Love/Williams frontcourt and the Lakers would seriously have assembled a team for the next decade indeed. The 76'ers on the other hand would have a starting 5 of Fisher/Bryant/Iggy/Young/Hawes with backups such as Lou Williams, Meeks, MWP and Mo Speights giving them one of the best lineups in the East ... I could see Kobe waiving his trade clause to return home to Philly and help resurrect that franchise.


Kobe to the Knicks for Amare, Douglas, Fields, picks and cash

NOTE: This is the trade that makes the most sense for Kobe and since he has one of the league's only no-trade clauses, he holds all the cards and a trade to the Knicks is the most likely. Obviously this would require a third team as the Lakers may okay the value their receiving in this trade but would rather have Amare, Douglas and Fields going to a 3rd team (Denver perhaps with Ty Lawson and a S&T'd Wilson Chandler going to the Lakers) so they can receive a better PG and SG ... Kobe would waive his no trade clause to play with Melo and Chandler under D'Antoni in the Garden, and a starting 5 of Baron/Shumpert/Kobe/Melo/Chandler with guys like Bibby, Outlaw, Walker, Jordan, etc off the bench would be dynamic ... add a Steve Nash next year and the Knicks may win their first title since the 70s quite soon.



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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#698 » by Father Time » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:21 pm

How much would Pau hate us for trading him from LA to Minny? lol
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#699 » by Jetset » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:26 pm

Pau is already upset.
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Re: No Howard talks/Lakers interested in trading Pau to Minn 

Post#700 » by wfiles » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:27 pm

Pau wouldn't have a problem with that. He loves playing with Ricky Rubio.

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