Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

nahom1319 · Post #1421 » by **nahom1319** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:12 pm

Marvin! wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:I love Gilchrist with a 2nd pick; not first.
Just my 2c

agreed - he looks like he will be a Marion-level of player when Toronto needs a Durant/Wade-level of guy. I really, really like him though and am sure Casey would love him

I personally think Andre Igoudala 1.5, and considering the lack of top end talent in this draft I'd be cool with that. Andre Drummond is the only other guy I would consider ( if he can put it all together before the tournament). For whatever reason I just don't see Anthony Davis playing as well in the nba. Thats just my opinion though, the rest of the world seems to disagree with me but we'll see.

drew_28 · Post #1422 » by **drew_28** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:31 pm

kingz32 wrote:Perry Jones is looking more and more like the wing player/interchangeable PF we need. He had a hell of a game today at BYU. He dropped 28 points on 11/16 FG shooting, he was 2/2 from the 3-pt line, 8 rebounds, 4 asts, and 3 steals. All of this in 33 minutes in one of the toughest places to play in the country.

This guy does everything. Give him more credit.

He is a good player without a doubt. But I can remember him saying he doesn't ant to come play in Canada...seems like a player that will bolt if we draft him. I also want to see him play (this year) against a real team.

sunny · Post #1423 » by **sunny** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:39 pm

Shabazz has been a UCLA lock for over a year now. However, UCLA's terrible start to this season might slightly change this, but the last time I check, he was still planning on UCLA.

Him and Kyle Anderson is scary.

mathgeek · Post #1424 » by **mathgeek** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:46 pm

He came back and said he would love to play for the Raptors and that it doesn't matter to him. Also, so far Perry Jones has been the best prospect in the limited games that he has played. Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond are only ranked higher than him because of potential. The question with Perry Jones is if he can play the 3 better than the 4. Otherwise, if he wants to play the 4 then we should look at players like Lamb, and Gilchrist and even Miller.

Harrison Barnes has been horrible, he has been riding his potential all year last year and this year as well. The only thing I see from him is his good off the dribble shot. He's kind of like another version of Richard Jefferson.

Post #1425 » by **Marvin!** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:17 pm

nahom1319 wrote:
Marvin! wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:I love Gilchrist with a 2nd pick; not first.
Just my 2c

agreed - he looks like he will be a Marion-level of player when Toronto needs a Durant/Wade-level of guy. I really, really like him though and am sure Casey would love him

I personally think Andre Igoudala 1.5, and considering the lack of top end talent in this draft I'd be cool with that. Andre Drummond is the only other guy I would consider ( if he can put it all together before the tournament). For whatever reason I just don't see Anthony Davis playing as well in the nba. Thats just my opinion though, the rest of the world seems to disagree with me but we'll see.

that's not a bad comparison either. Unfortunately the Raptors need someone a bit better than that out of this draft, and getting another pick in the top 10 will be almost impossible.

nahom1319 · Post #1426 » by **nahom1319** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:28 pm

Marvin! wrote:that's not a bad comparison either. Unfortunately the Raptors need someone a bit better than that out of this draft, and getting another pick in the top 10 will be almost impossible.

This draft simply doesn't have elite talent in it. Unless you really believe Anthony Davis to be a versatile scorer. I personally think he is a great rebounder, an above avg man defender and a great weakside shot blocker. Outside of that he doesn't have any great skills, and he is the projected first pick. At some point people are going to have to concede that this draft doesn't have elite talent. MKG is nothing to sneeze at, barring a top 2 pick he should be our pick based on everything I've watched to this point.

Post #1427 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:30 pm

Gilchrist lacks certain skills to be a top tier wing player at this point, but overtime I think Gilchrist can develop into a Rudy Gay-esque type player once he gets that jumpshot down. Rudy Gay wasn't much of a threat from deep either when he first entered the league, but could knock down the three-ball occasionally much like Gilchrist. He already seems like he can be an elite wing defender at the NBA level, getting more than a block and steal. If the player isn't going to become an elite offensive wing, he needs to at least be an elite defensive wing complemented by average-above average offense which Gilchrist seems to have with his court vision, passing, offensive rebounding, and a bit of a dribble-drive slashing game. Although the Raptors need an elite offensive wing, and there's less than a handful of them in this draft, so it's better to go with an elite defensive player who has the potential to develop a nice offensive game given his foundation. All the skills Gilchrist possesses reminds me of Rudy Gay minus the shot creating and shooting. And if the Raptors can end up with a Rudy Gay with a top 6 pick who himself is a legit All-Star, I'd be more than happy.

Post #1428 » by **Marvin!** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:38 pm

hey, you don't need to convince me - at this point he's at or near the top of my wishlist... the only issue becomes a lack of shooting at the 1, 2 and 3 (if you see the future being Bayless, Derozan and MKG).

nahom1319 · Post #1429 » by **nahom1319** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:53 pm

Marvin! wrote:hey, you don't need to convince me - at this point he's at or near the top of my wishlist... the only issue becomes a lack of shooting at the 1, 2 and 3 (if you see the future being Bayless, Derozan and MKG).

I see what your saying, I just don't agree that its as severe an issue. Bayless is a competent scorer, in fact with Bayless and Demar scoring they had something like an 120+ offensive rating between them. MKG is developing his shot, and has been able to spot of effectively from three (41.2%), and with Amir and Jonas starting we can bring Bargnani of the bench if need be. What I love about that starting lineup is the defensive intensity it brings.

ty123 · Post #1430 » by **ty123** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:56 pm

Miller would probably be a better choice than Gilchrist

nahom1319 · Post #1431 » by **nahom1319** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:04 pm

ty123 wrote:Miller would probably be a better choice than Gilchrist

Until he recovers from his surgery or treatment I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree. Even when he gets his legs back I'm curuious to see if he will be a decent man defender then.

Post #1432 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:08 pm

Marvin! wrote:
Undefeated wrote:Shabazz gonna go to Duke book it lol. I remember watching some vid of him wearing a Blue Devils hoodie.

you sure it wasn't a UNLV hoodie?

Yep. Found the vid. Shabazz narrows down to four schools. Duke, Kentucky, UNLV and UCLA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52x6OUFQJk

Imagine a front court of Gilchrist, Ed/Amir, and Jonas. That's beastly on the glass.

Post #1433 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:15 pm

MKG looks like a more athletic Artest or a blue-chip Tony Allen. He looks like a winner. But spacing, as a concept, is incredibly overlooked around here and he's a rotten fit next to DD long-term... but I'd move DD in any event so I don't care.

Think he's #5 at the highest right now after the ADs, PJ3 and Lamb, who have emerged as the upper-crust to me. The ADs have the potential to anchor a defense and PJ3 and Lamb might be able to carry offenses, things you look for at the top of the draft. #5 might be where things get interesting this year.

Al_Oliver · Post #1434 » by **Al_Oliver** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:18 pm

Barnes or Davis look like the best options for us and I would be good with either.
PJIII had a nice game last night. If he can play consistently this year, he may join the conversation...

Post #1435 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:30 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:MKG looks like a more athletic Artest or a blue-chip Tony Allen. He looks like a winner. But spacing, as a concept, is incredibly overlooked around here and he's a rotten fit next to DD long-term... but I'd move DD in any event so I don't care.

Gilchrist can see the floor, dribble, find the open man and actually make an accurate pass to his teammate's hands. On the other hand, Artest and Tony Allen can barely dribble or pass if their life depended on it. He may be similar to Artest and Tony Allen in terms of their defensive prowess, but aside from that, I fail to see how they're alike on the offensive end. I wouldn't worry too much about his ability to shoot because he's shooting 41.2% from 3-pt on near 2 attempts. As long as he continues to work on his shooting, there shouldn't be any problems playing beside DeMar.

Post #1436 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:46 pm

Undefeated wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:MKG looks like a more athletic Artest or a blue-chip Tony Allen. He looks like a winner. But spacing, as a concept, is incredibly overlooked around here and he's a rotten fit next to DD long-term... but I'd move DD in any event so I don't care.

Gilchrist can see the floor, dribble, find the open man and actually make an accurate pass to his teammate's hands. On the other hand, Artest and Tony Allen can barely dribble or pass if their life depended on it. He may be similar to Artest and Tony Allen in terms of their defensive prowess, but aside from that, I fail to see how they're alike on the offensive end. I wouldn't worry too much about his ability to shoot because he's shooting 41.2% from 3-pt on near 2 attempts. As long as he continues to work on his shooting, there shouldn't be any problems playing beside DeMar.

Artest can dribble and pass, he's just crazy. Blue Chip Tony Allen. Bigger, more skilled. They are of the same type. MKG is not a clone of anybody, like most of the top guys. I think you overrated his guard skills a bit, they're decent for a forward IMO.

Mashing DD and MKG together would be wishing, and as I've said before you have to pre-pay Demar.

Post #1437 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:09 pm

Gilchrist looks fluid when he dribbles the basketball unlike Artest and Tony Allen. When I see Gilchrist bringing up the ball, he seems he knows what he wants to do whether that's attacking the defense or giving up the ball. He might not be able to create on the move, but it looks like he has his moves pre-determined. Artest and Tony Allen are very out of control when they dribble. Gilchrist can actually initiate a fastbreak going to coast-to-coast for the finish by himself. I don't think Artest and Tony Allen can do that.

SkywalkerAC · Post #1438 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:02 pm

i also tend to think that there is a lack of star player in this draft and therefore less of a need for the super-tank. the 7th or 8th pick should give us a comparable calibre of player at less cost. it's nice to have a couple more options but i don't know that we really NEED a top 5 pick in this draft.

fredericklove · Post #1439 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Drummond has 20 pts (9 of 10), 6 reb and 5 blk...damn i wanted to see the game, watch his motor and all...but bad the game's not available.

fredericklove · Post #1440 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:03 pm

Drummond has 24 pts (11 of 12), 8 reb and 5 blk...damn.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?