Trade Ideas

[BSM]

The issue with high lotto picks is that you are committed to the salary for relatively long term. I think that is why we picked Eyenga the one year so we could stash him overseas and not have to pay him. I am not sure what the rookie scale calls out for picks in the 20's but I am guessing it is around 2-3 million per year. On two picks that will most likely be busts, paying both 6 million a year combined is a little rough

http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm

20th 1.4, 30th 1.0, seems kind of reasonable until you get into top 7. I think the lower picks you can also secure for less years,

[Niko23]

Thanks for the info. But god if we pick McAdoo at 2 that would be horrible

[Triumph36]

Thanks for the info. But god if we pick McAdoo at 2 that would be horrible

Why? Because he's not putting up impressive stats?

He's almost surely not coming out this year anyway unless something drastic changes between now and the draft, but assuming he makes the jump next year the guy is a top 5 pick, probably even top 3. He's really good, just a bit of a project stuck on a team with lots of upperclassmen which makes it even harder for him to get time to develop.

That mock hasn't even been updated since late August (lol hoopshype)

[rjgraca]

It's looking like we might need a draft thread already. Draft Express has McAdoo at 16

This Ranking was last updated on Mon Dec 26th at 02:42:37 PM

16. James McAdoo PF

18 years old, Freshman
6' 8" 223lbs.
North Carolina


http://www.draftexpress.com/

[TheOUTLAW]

I know you pick players by the best player available period but McAdoo is an undersized PF. Didn't we just draft one of those? Unless one of those guys can also play SF I think there are better players that'd be on the board for us to take.

[Niko23]

I know you pick players by the best player available period but McAdoo is an undersized PF. Didn't we just draft one of those? Unless one of those guys can also play SF I think there are better players that'd be on the board for us to take.

Did you not just slightly contradict yourself? You say he is a top 3 player but we should look at someone else? I actually agree and think we need scoring at the 2/3 position. But your response to McAdoo seemed as though you were really high on him.

Edit - I see you meant for 2013, but shoot if you think he is that good and he declares, then why not take him?

[Sebzor]

with minny?
L. Ridnour/W. Johnson/W. Ellington/A. Tolliver
-for: D. Gibson/O. Casspi/S. Erden

a young SG & SF to add to the core of Irving-Thompson-Eyenga-Samuels

[Manny Phresh]

I do feel like we need to raid the Timberwolves of some of their wing players. Seems they have a logjam at the moment.

[Rise Against]

I do feel like we need to raid the Timberwolves of some of their wing players. Seems they have a logjam at the moment.

We should go after Derrick Williams.

[Manny Phresh]

I do feel like we need to raid the Timberwolves of some of their wing players. Seems they have a logjam at the moment.

We should go after Derrick Williams.

I was thinking maybe we trade Kyrie for Ricky straight up. We need more scoring punch.

[Darren]

Dallas fan here, would you do Ryan Hollins for Dominique Jones, Brandan Wright and Denver's 2012 second round draft pick?

[Niko23]

I suppose so but I would probably just rather give him to you for free

[Nirvana]

Ryan Hollins is our most valuable trade asset.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHMO1XBxc9Q[/youtube]

[BSM]

Ryan Hollins for that pick n we good.

Hell, I hate seeing this guy come in and use up minutes that could have been used by someone like Thompson or Samuels.

[Kaner]

Idea: Varejao + top 5 protected 2013 first for Horford.

Atlanta may do it because Horford is injured now, and getting a defensive big to pair with Josh Smith would increase his touches and productivity and also get a chance to add some quality role player in the draft...ideally it would balance out both front courts, with Horford being able to get a majority of the touches in Cleveland with Thompson up front doing the dirty work as well. Also, with Horford likely being out the rest of the year, it would effectively give us a center rotation of Erden/Hollins, great for another high pick. It's gonna be tough otherwise to find a big man to pair with TT that can shoot the ball and spread the floor.

[rjgraca]

IMO, the CAVs are not giving up a potential lottery pick. Horford is no superstar either and is not a huge upgrade from Varejao. The only big upgrade would be Horford's salary which is due to make a big bump up soon. Horford is a PF playing out of position and he's injuried.

Questions remain on how the Hawks will handle the loss of Al Horford. With the two-time All-Star lost for three to four months with a torn pectoral muscle.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks ... 02053.html

[Triumph36]

Idea: Varejao + top 5 protected 2013 first for Horford.

Atlanta may do it because Horford is injured now, and getting a defensive big to pair with Josh Smith would increase his touches and productivity and also get a chance to add some quality role player in the draft...ideally it would balance out both front courts, with Horford being able to get a majority of the touches in Cleveland with Thompson up front doing the dirty work as well. Also, with Horford likely being out the rest of the year, it would effectively give us a center rotation of Erden/Hollins, great for another high pick. It's gonna be tough otherwise to find a big man to pair with TT that can shoot the ball and spread the floor.

this is real bad for atlanta

first and foremost, horford is their best player. not only that, but they are significantly worse post-trade and really not going anywhere (not that they are now, but w/e). they don't need a lottery pick. they need a legit center allowing them to move horford and smith to their natural positions. waiting on a lottery pick (not even a 2012 lottery pick!) is something they just can't afford to do.

IMO, the CAVs are not giving up a potential lottery pick. Horford is no superstar either and is not a huge upgrade from Varejao. The only big upgrade would be Horford's salary which is due to make a big bump up soon. Horford is a PF playing out of position and he's injuried.

Questions remain on how the Hawks will handle the loss of Al Horford. With the two-time All-Star lost for three to four months with a torn pectoral muscle.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks ... 02053.html

homer goggles are sweet, huh?

[rjgraca]

IMO, the CAVs are not giving up a potential lottery pick. Horford is no superstar either and is not a huge upgrade from Varejao. The only big upgrade would be Horford's salary which is due to make a big bump up soon. Horford is a PF playing out of position and he's injuried.

Questions remain on how the Hawks will handle the loss of Al Horford. With the two-time All-Star lost for three to four months with a torn pectoral muscle.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks ... 02053.html

homer goggles are sweet, huh?

You are pretty good with catch phrases with little substance to back it up. You keep posting hyperbole about Varejao not ageing well with no proof to back up your claim. Charles Oakley was very effective into his 30's.

Horford is injury prone now according to your definition of missing games over their career. Horford's advantage is on offense not defense and Horford isn't close to being a significant offensive threat to be giving up a potential lottery pick too for another PF.

You seem to think that your catch phrases like 'homer' gives you some kind of credibility in your over simplifications. Threads on the RealGM General, Trade and Cavs forums have not bestowed upon you this credibility.

I wonder if you have a catch phrase for tanking at all costs despite variables being different from the OKC situation.

[KuruptedCav]

Gibson to LAL for half of the Odom trade exception and either their 2012 1st round pick;

works for Lakers because 1) they don't have to give up a piece, 2) the PG has been abysmal, 3) they need outside shooting, 4) their offense doesn't require a traditional PG, 5) MB is a Daniel Gibson fan, 6) their window is closing and Daniel Gibson is probably better than (in the near term) the player the Cavs will draft with the pick

works for the Cavs because 1) they add another pick to the puzzle and continue to stockpile young talent, 2) they free up additional cap space without having to not pick up Gibson's option, 3) they are overstocked at the PG position with Irving, Sessions and Gibson; gives the team even more financial flexibility if they decide to make a move at the deadline.

[Kaner]

meh, i was always taught to bid low on damaged goods... AV is very underrated and coupled with a future lotto pick (they won't be getting any decent players any time soon with their cap situation, especially young talented players) Horford being overrated and Varejao being underrated makes this more difficult.

I do want Cleveland to take a look at Nick Batum though.