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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#21 » by Krapinsky » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:24 am

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Devilzsidewalk wrote:Eric Gordon isn't a buy low player imo, there's no gain for the Hornets to take lesser players. Granger is too old. Westbrook I'm all for inserting him @ SG, though I see him in the same light as Evans - not a perfect fit w/ Rubio. Ideal SG is someone that can take advantage of open kickouts on the perimeter when rotations are slow an can beat his man when the defender is there. Kevin Martin can handle the kickouts, but can't create, Westbrook and Evans can create, but can't catch and shoot. Harden is the perfect fit, but the Wolves have no shot, even if Williams is on the table, that I'm sure of. On that note, if we're going to go after an imperfect fit, I think Kevin Martin is the best fit considering age/value - that's assuming we could get him w/o trading Williams, but Morey might not be ready to do something like that, but if picks/johnson/beasley/ridnour etc can get it done, thats my #1 choice. Westbrook/Evans are both going to be hard to get w/o sending Williams in the deal, and I'm not sure thats a better fit, Williams has shown he has a dagger 3. Trading that for a creator is filling one hole by creating another.


i wonder if at some point Houston reverses it's philosophy and starts tanking. In that scenario I could see us landing Martin for Beasley or Wes and our picks. I'd really like a Martin/Batum combo on the wings. With Rubio's impressive defense thus far, Martin doesn't seem like such of a liability at that end any more.


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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#22 » by Krapinsky » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:30 am

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Saltine wrote:Childress has a horrible, horrible contract. Batum would be nice :)


See, you want Batum, but this guy wants to get paid. And if you trade for him then you will habe to give his contract and it's a given it will be more money than Childress got. But I don't see Batum a much greater player than Childress or a guy like Ariza. Chisdress is very good defender and slashing wing and i thing you ca find a role for him on a team like ours.


I'm actually a Childress fan. I wanted us to give him a mid-level deal when he signed with the Suns, but I really don't like his contract now.

I think Batum still has a lot of upside to be a lot better than Childress or Ariza.
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#23 » by NewWolvesOrder » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:50 am

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Saltine wrote:Childress has a horrible, horrible contract. Batum would be nice :)


See, you want Batum, but this guy wants to get paid. And if you trade for him then you will habe to give his contract and it's a given it will be more money than Childress got. But I don't see Batum a much greater player than Childress or a guy like Ariza. Chisdress is very good defender and slashing wing and i thing you ca find a role for him on a team like ours.


I'm actually a Childress fan. I wanted us to give him a mid-level deal when he signed with the Suns, but I really don't like his contract now.

I think Batum still has a lot of upside to be a lot better than Childress or Ariza.


But we can dump our least desirable contract in exchange for Childress. Like Pek who makes almost 5 mil.
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#24 » by Saltine » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:43 am

Pek;
$4,595,000
$4,915,000

Childress;
$7,182,500
$7,865,000
$8,547,500
$9,230,000

That's the guaranteed money. Childress has a horrible contract.
$9.5 million for Pek, $32.8 million for Childress.
You can pay 2.25 years of Love's new Max deal for 4 years of Childress, that's how bad a contract it is.

Ariza;
$6,790,640
$7,258,960
$7,727,280
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#25 » by Esohny » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:56 am

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shrink wrote:Some players get off to poor starts, or are injured, or just don't fit a new direction for a team.

List good players that you think right now, could cost less than they did last year.


Granger - slow start. More playing time for Paul George.

Eric Gordon - injured, doesn't look happy to be there.

Westbrook - untradable last year, playoffs question if he's the right PG in OKC.

Noah -- slow start. Being benched in the fourth for Asik.

who else?


I don't think anyone of these guys will get traded except maybe Granger.

Batum might be but he's on a division rival.



Yeah, I agree. I mean, whether those guys' values are theoretically lower, you need to look at it more like "could they be gotten without trading Love or Rubio?"

I'd say that if Williams was going, maybe Granger and Batum (and maaaaybe Gordon if they didn't also have the Wolves 1st) could be gotten. Westbrook and Noah, nope.
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Post#26 » by Esohny » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:58 am

I actually like JJ Redick as a target. Since Orlando is losing Howard, they're probably looking to get younger and cut some salary. I think he fits great next to Rubio.
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#27 » by Saltine » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:34 pm

Yep, Redick would fit well :)
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Post#28 » by Saltine » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:35 pm

Yep, Redick would fit well :)
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#29 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:21 pm

First of all, let me say this isn't a troll post. I don't want you folks to get the wrong impression.

Anyway, I was thinking the Wolves could get Sasha Vujacic on a value contract. In my opinion, he would be an upgrade for what you need next to Rubio. Better pure shooter than any other guard on the roster, decent defender against certain matchups, he can pass the ball for an assist, and drain free throws. He also has some notoriety from playing in LA. Nothing wrong wth a little star power, however bright. He's in Europe right now, so I can't really speak to the logistics of it, other than him being signed to his club on a one year contract with an option for another.

I would guess that he would look pretty good playing with Rubio, and that would be good for his career, so I think he would jump on the opportunity.
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Post#30 » by Esohny » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:30 pm

Sorry, I believe that our "No Sashas" rule is still in effect.
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Post#31 » by C.lupus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:32 pm

Esohny wrote:Sorry, I believe that our "No Sashas" rule is still in effect.

Correct. There is no statute of limitations on that law.
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Post#32 » by Narf » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:38 pm

Morrow comes to mind as a buy lowish player who I'd like.
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#33 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:51 pm

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Esohny wrote:Sorry, I believe that our "No Sashas" rule is still in effect.

Correct. There is no statute of limitations on that law.


Oh. I thought one of the problems with the team was that the players classified as shooting/scoring guards can neither shoot the ball consistently, nor handle the ball without turning it over?

Someone like an Anthony will cost you an asset, while a Sasha will cost nothing but money.

If you can't get over his girly name, then I guess nevermind. Just a thought.
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Re: "Buy Low"-ish players 

Post#34 » by Narf » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

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Esohny wrote:Sorry, I believe that our "No Sashas" rule is still in effect.

Correct. There is no statute of limitations on that law.


Oh. I thought one of the problems with the team was that the players classified as shooting/scoring guards can neither shoot the ball consistently, nor handle the ball without turning it over?

Someone like an Anthony will cost you an asset, while a Sasha will cost nothing but money.

If you can't get over his girly name, then I guess nevermind. Just a thought.

It's an inside joke my friend. Every player we've ever had named Sasha has been terrible for us. There isnt' really a rule(shhh)
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Post#35 » by Klomp » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:58 pm

Esohny wrote:I actually like JJ Redick as a target. Since Orlando is losing Howard, they're probably looking to get younger and cut some salary. I think he fits great next to Rubio.

Narf wrote:Morrow comes to mind as a buy low player who I'd like.


These guys are actually nearly identical this year

Points Per Game
Redick - 12.9
Morrow - 12.6

Rebounds Per Game
Redick - 2.5
Morrow - 2.8

Assists Per Game
Redick - 2.3
Morrow - 0.9

Field Goal Percentage
Redick - 46.7%
Morrow - 42.3%

Three Point Percentage
Redick - 38.6%
Morrow - 44.6%

Free Throw Percentage
Redick - 95.0%
Morrow - 88.2%

Minutes Per Game
Redick - 26.7
Morrow - 26.8

Age (Contract)
Redick - 27 ($6,750,000 / $6,190,000)
Morrow - 26 ($4,000,000 / $4,000,000)
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Post#36 » by Esohny » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:31 pm

IMO, Redick's passing ability, ability to get to the line, and defensive advantage over Morrow make him much more attractive (and worth the extra bit of salary).
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Post#37 » by Narf » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:39 pm

Esohny wrote:IMO, Redick's passing ability, ability to get to the line, and defensive advantage over Morrow make him much more attractive (and worth the extra bit of salary).

At this point, I'd be ecstatic with either. I just added Morrow to the list because no one else had.
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Post#38 » by Esohny » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:46 pm

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Esohny wrote:IMO, Redick's passing ability, ability to get to the line, and defensive advantage over Morrow make him much more attractive (and worth the extra bit of salary).

At this point, I'd be ecstatic with either. I just added Morrow to the list because no one else had.


I was responding more to Klomp. Like with OJ Mayo, I would also be happy to add Morrow to the team rather than continue to play Wes/Wayne/whoever heavy minutes at SG.
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Post#39 » by Klomp » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:14 am

Not a name often thrown around there, but what do guys think about adding someone like Shaun Livingston? Since being inserted in the starting lineup at SG, the Bucks have gone 4-2, including wins at Miami, at Houston, and vs the Lakers. Most people see him as a PG first, but I think he could excel here at SG. I'd trade Ridnour for him. Contract is also more of a positive than Luke's (makes $3.5m this yr and next yr, but next yr is only $1m guaranteed).

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