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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#841 » by hands11 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:24 pm

willbcocks wrote:I don't really have a problem with his offense right now. If he just keeps screening everyone, cutting to the basket and finishing or passing, that's enough to be useful on that end. He does need to work on his free throws asap.

The biggest thing he needs to improve is his strength. He's getting pushed around and his defensive rebounding suffers a lot because of it. I think the team will be worse at rebounding when he is on the floor until he gains strength.

I love how he seems to be a great teammate. Always high fiving everyone, and everyone seems to respond to him.


Maybe he should hang out with Dray so he can add some Neck Fat. He is clearly playing PF mainly.

Again, I really like how he gets after things. The kid has a motor. Always setting the next pick for this teammates. And he is a willing passer. Super Glue is my name for him. Those that remember a young Dray, he actually does some similar things. He sees the court well. He passes. And he is quick(yes, Dray was quick). He has a feel for the game. He scraps around the basket. But he is way more athletic, has leaps, and has a better motor. And the best thing is he has a better personality. He is more experience coming into the league and I don't think he will be a knuckhead.

Seems conventional wisdom has failed. Has this kid even played one minute of SF ? The more I watch him play, the less I see that happening. He is getting minutes at PF and amazingly even some center. So if he is paying PF/C and KS plays the same with McGee at C and Booker as a PF, that starts to fill up the shed. They need to play these guys a lot of minutes this year so we can better see what they have. And we still need to see Hamady eventually also.

I wouldn't be surprised by any move this team makes come the trade deadline but if these players stick, they need to add a star SF who can score and defend, and more SGs - specially if Nick is gone.

Booker is the one getting squeezed by Ves at PF because Dray and Lewis are getting minutes there right now. They need to move Dray to center so they can be more athletic. Right now it is more.

Wall/Mack
Nick/Crawford/Mason
Lewis/Singleton/Nick
Dray/Ves/Booker
McGee/KS/Dray

Dray and McGee is bad. Lewis, Dray and McGee is terrible.

I would rather see

Wall/Mack
Nick/Crawford/Mason
Singleton/Lewis/Nick
Ves/KS/Booker
McGee/Dray/KS

Get the young kid out there and let them play with energy, defense and better pick setting. The biggest thing missing right now is a defensive 3 that can hit from range. Let Ves, KS and Booker battle for the starting PF spot. But man, if Singleton could find a reliable mid range and 3 ball, that would really help those line ups. With Ves, KS and Booker setting screen, maybe he could spot up better. He is supposed to be a decent outside shot with his feet set.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#842 » by sfam » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:11 am

Vesely's first start today and I won't see it for a few hours. Hope he kicks ass.
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Post#843 » by Illuminaire » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:17 am

So far, so kicking ass, in his own peculiar Vesely way.
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Post#844 » by Mizerooskie » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:32 am

0 in the +/- despite playing 29 minutes in 27 point loss. How is that even possible?
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Post#845 » by Illuminaire » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:19 am

Because he's pure Janchise.


(Serious answer, he sparked a key run in the first half, was on the bench when Houston came roaring back against Blatche and McGee, lost a little ground in the 3rd quarter, then played better than Houston's bench during garbage time in the 4th. A little luck, and a little plucky defense leading to transition offense.)
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Post#846 » by dangermouse » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:01 am

So i see Vesely got the starting job against Houston.

Im guessing this is Whittman trying to get us running and up-tempo. I like the thinking there, and I like Whits willingness to try different lineups...

I think starting Booker lends itself more towards that style of play though. If we wanna run we gotta hit the boards. Booker does that, and is really our only forward who does that well enough.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#847 » by daSwami » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:42 pm

Dude got brutalized in the post by by that low-post juggernaut Louis Scola. Someone get this kid some steroids, stat!
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#848 » by sfam » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:56 pm

daSwami wrote:Dude got brutalized in the post by by that low-post juggernaut Louis Scola. Someone get this kid some steroids, stat!

Scola definitely brutalized Vesely. He's going to have problems with tall, physical big PFs. Likewise, I think he'll be pretty good with tall, fast SFs. It'll be great to see how Vesely continues this year, and what he needs to get better. Clearly his two first priorities are 20 lbs of muscle and an actual midrange shot.

EDIT: But even so, Vesely is by far our best weakside defender. He actually stops free runs to the basket. If only our other bigs did that. This, more than anything probably accounted for a decent chunck of his +/- score.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#849 » by pancakes3 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:04 am

our 3 PF's: booker, vesely, and blatche combined together into a frankensteinian amalgamation would make for one legitimate PF.
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Post#850 » by closg00 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:11 am

We hired someone to fix Vesely's shooting and FT's, when are we going to see what we've been paying-for? When you take-away the occasional dunk, I'd be hard-pressed to remember any shot-attempts.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#851 » by FAH1223 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:10 am

he's scared to shoot

he's also better off guarding 3s
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Post#852 » by pancakes3 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:20 am

this offseason he's only got room to improve one thing, and i think it'd be better off improving corner 3's than FT shooting.
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Post#853 » by no D in Hibachi » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:48 am

pancakes3 wrote:this offseason he's only got room to improve one thing, and i think it'd be better off improving corner 3's than FT shooting.

Sounds so much like D-Mac, if that guy could have figured out the corner 3 he'd be a starter in the league.
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Post#854 » by dobrojim » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:05 am

closg00 wrote:We hired someone to fix Vesely's shooting and FT's, when are we going to see what we've been paying-for? When you take-away the occasional dunk, I'd be hard-pressed to remember any shot-attempts.


true but if he knows his limitations, makes good passes and cuts,
plays hard D and the team does well when he's on the floor,
I won't complain for now.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#855 » by dobrojim » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:07 am

no D in Hibachi wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:this offseason he's only got room to improve one thing, and i think it'd be better off improving corner 3's than FT shooting.

Sounds so much like D-Mac, if that guy could have figured out the corner 3 he'd be a starter in the league.


Except Ves is 5 inches taller and longer than DMac.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#856 » by Illuminaire » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:17 am

Indeed. Grading Vesely will start in earnest next season. If he's developed more muscle and a mediocre shot, we can rejoice, for he is on the path to being a rotation player for a good team.

If not, we can start worrying. :P
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Post#857 » by sfam » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:55 pm

FAH1223 wrote:he's scared to shoot

he's also better off guarding 3s

Vesely is almost always open on the back-end of pick and rolls. I bet we see him starting to get a few of those that he'll take and cut to the basket. That is really where his best scoring potential is right now.
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Post#858 » by Dat2U » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:44 pm

Vesely is everything we wanted Jared Jeffries to be. Except he can't shoot or dribble, nor can he rebound. Ha, but neither could Jeffries! But wow, he can fly and boy, no one shows harder on the pick & roll than Vesely. :-)

And let's not forget how willing a passer Ves is. He's such a great glue guy. It's wonderful how aware he is of his limitations and doesn't force anything offensively.

Now if we can only get him to hit the rim on his jump shots. That will be a nice step forward.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#859 » by Liverbird » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:46 am

I see some Bobby Jones in him.

Once Vesely is more comfortable in the league, the game will slow down and hopefully he'll develop some confidence and be more aggressive. A decent shot and better rebounding is all he needs to be an effective contributor. Does need to play with a team with good perimeter shooters though.
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Post#860 » by sfam » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:52 am

Dat2U wrote:Vesely is everything we wanted Jared Jeffries to be. Except he can't shoot or dribble, nor can he rebound. Ha, but neither could Jeffries! But wow, he can fly and boy, no one shows harder on the pick & roll than Vesely. :-)

And let's not forget how willing a passer Ves is. He's such a great glue guy. It's wonderful how aware he is of his limitations and doesn't force anything offensively.

Now if we can only get him to hit the rim on his jump shots. That will be a nice step forward.

If his highlight reels are to be believed Vesely can take it coast to coast - his dribbling seems fine.

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