Bulls @ Nets (2/6/12) Game Thread

[624]

Shelden Williams has to be Braylon Edwards brother.

Can't catch the ball either

Why do people still think Braylon Edwards drops passes???

He hasn't had those problems since mid-2009.


In the playoffs in 2009-10 he was money, and all of 2010-2011 he had ONE dropped pass.

His nickname is Braylon "butter finger" Edwards

Yeah, and it's his former reputation that carries over and makes people believe things that happened a while ago are still true.

[nets14]

Braylon was definitely a big part of those runs

[nets14]

I'm so tired of having to root for garbage players. How Shelden Williams, Johan Petro and Shawne Williams all were drafted in the lottery makes me shake my head.

Shawne was late teens if I recall.

Dude made a bad decision...seems Knicks fans kinda missed him and Nets fans can't stand him. Watched very little of your games but I am shocked his 3 point and defense isn't good. Both of those were great, even if that's all he brought to the team.

Definitely a bad signing, gave him a player option too

[Shameer1016]

I missed the game, but why did Rose barely play? To give us a chance?

[nets14]

I missed the game, but why did Rose barely play? To give us a chance?

Hurt his back, didnt come back

[VCRJKidd15]

this is going to be the longest 3 weeks ever

[NyCeEvO]

Shawne Williams wasn't a terrible signing IMO. He's been playing light fracture in his leg for the entire season and he also plays better when he's like the 4th option when in. There are plenty of times where he's the 2nd best overall option on the floor, which should never be the case under normal circumstances. Of course, since we're the Nets, there's nothing normal about our circumstances.

[DarkXaero]

Shawne Williams wasn't a terrible signing IMO. He's been playing light fracture in his leg for the entire season and he also plays better when he's like the 4th option when in. There are plenty of times where he's the 2nd best overall option on the floor, which should never be the case under normal circumstances. Of course, since we're the Nets, there's nothing normal about our circumstances.

And then there is the corner 3 thing.

[therealbig3]

No, I'm hating the signing right now. There's only one thing he does well, and that's shoot the 3. And he's been embarrassingly bad at it this year, only 26%, and remember, he took forever just to hit 1, and then it took him a few more games before he had a good shooting night.

He gets wide open look after wide open look, and I'm tired of seeing him brick them. His defense is terrible, and he doesn't box out anyone.

The sad thing about the game yesterday...that wouldn't have been as big of a blowout if the big men could catch and finish (maybe a 15+ point blowout, which was 20-25 at some point in the game)...Deron had a ton of passes that hit them right in the hands under the hoop, and they either botched the catch, or they didn't catch it and fumbled around with it until they got it, and then they put up a shot that got blocked by 4 Bulls.

[vincecarter4pres]

The dude's playing on a stress fracture, cut him some slack, he's got more heart then almost anyone on this roster.

And he's completely overextended.

He was signed to be a 7th man, or at worst the 5th best player in our starting lineup, he's definitely not good enough to succeed in this role.

That would be what I didn't and don't like about the signing, it was a glue guy signing when we were still a completely incomplete team, when we needed upside signings or none at all.

He was the type of move you make for the mini-mini-MLE after you have a Dwight and are filling out the roster with rotations players who have specific roles and consistent minutes, but less prominent ones with less overall minutes.

I tend to think that signing was made when we thought we were getting Dwight before the season started.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, practically our entire roster has been asked to over-extend themselves all the way up to Deron.

This is why I didn't get on him to hard before.

He's a PG and prefers giving the rock to people but when you have Mr.ButterFingers and Dr. Stonehands down low, it doesn't make his life any easier. In addition to that, he now has to forcing himself to score rather than doing passively or when the team needs it.

[therealbig3]

But I don't think he has been asked to overextend himself. Anyways, this was the same case I made for Shelden Williams, and people said that he wasn't really being asked to do anything other than catch the ball and finish, which any capable NBA rotation player should do. You guys made a good point, and I ended up agreeing with you guys. But even so, Shelden Williams has been a FAR better player than Shawne Williams this season, and he actually has value in the defense/rebounding/hustle department.

I haven't seen us really ask Shawne Williams to score 15+ ppg for us, or to post up and score baskets...we've asked him to hit open 3s, which is the very reason why we signed him. Just like no matter how good the rest of your team is, you can't afford to not be able to dump the ball down low to an open big man and have them finish, you can't afford to kick it out for an open 3 and have the guy brick it every time. I can cut him some slack for the foot injury, and that's probably why he's struggled so much defensively (but a lot of times, I've noticed it's a lack of focus more than anything else, he just gets lost on rotations and loses track of his man), but then again, we're not asking him to physically stress himself, we're asking him to spot up and hit 3s...and even before he got injured, he sucked.

[we da best]

I can live with Shawne on his current deal just like I can live with Farmar but I really wanted Reggie Williams and to avoid Shawne Williams at all costs in the offseason...

[NyCeEvO]

I haven't seen us really ask Shawne Williams to score 15+ ppg for us, or to post up and score baskets...we've asked him to hit open 3s, which is the very reason why we signed him. Just like no matter how good the rest of your team is, you can't afford to not be able to dump the ball down low to an open big man and have them finish, you can't afford to kick it out for an open 3 and have the guy brick it every time. I can cut him some slack for the foot injury, and that's probably why he's struggled so much defensively (but a lot of times, I've noticed it's a lack of focus more than anything else, he just gets lost on rotations and loses track of his man), but then again, we're not asking him to physically stress himself, we're asking him to spot up and hit 3s...and even before he got injured, he sucked.

I don't know how much basketball you play but hitting threes is really a skill. Obviously, the farther away from the basket you are, the harder it is for you to hit a shot. A light fracture in your foot won't matter 10 feet away from the basket anywhere near as much as it will 22-25 feet away. Your positioning, the way you jump, and your release of the ball all matter much more when you're that far away.

I'd actually argue the opposite of what you're saying. Leg injuries hurt shooters (who are obviously more dependent on their legs for jump shots and to get a consistent rhythm) than it does for big men.

[therealbig3]

I do play a decent amount of basketball, but (knock on wood) I haven't really suffered any injuries other than a tweaked ankle here and there. So maybe I just don't understand what it's like to have a foot injury like that.

And obviously hitting 3s is harder than making layups in the paint...but an average 3pt shooter shoots 33% from 3. Shawne Williams is shooting 26%. Big men with range, like KG or Brook, could shoot that percentage if they shot 3s consistently. For an NBA player, who's made a living off hitting jumpers, I think it should be pretty easy to shoot north of 30% from 3.

[NyCeEvO]

^^Fyi, I wasn't trying to take a dig at you by asking if you played basketball. I just wasn't sure how much you played.