Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[nate33]

We need to TRY HARD to flip Nick at the deadline. What do you guys think we could get for him?

Maybe if a contender to lost their starting SG to injury. That's pretty much the only way I see us getting real value in a Young trade. Otherwise, we're just talking a 2nd round pick or something because he's only a rental.

The Clippers are the one team out there who might be interested at this point in time.

[dangermouse]

For Bledsoe makes a lot of sense. Mo Williams is their only other option for a scoring guard

[BarnabyJones]

For Bledsoe makes a lot of sense. Mo Williams is their only other option for a scoring guard

Randy Foye?

[dangermouse]

Like I said Mo Williams is their only other option hahaha

[nate33]

For Bledsoe makes a lot of sense. Mo Williams is their only other option for a scoring guard

Randy Foye?

Why would we want Foye? Young is better.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

IMO the assets we have to deal are Mcgee, Seraphin, Blatche, Young, Crawford, 2nd round pick (we have 2 of them).

The question is what can we get in return??

[LyricalRico]

^ I'd offer that entire package to MJ for Diaw's expiring and Charlotte's lotto pick.

Actually, I'd first send Young to NJ for Morrow and the future protect HOU first. We keep Morrow and give the pick to CHA instead. Then I trade Lewis to GSW for Biedrins+Wright and a future pick. Rebuild done.

Biedrins/Vesely
Davis/Booker
Wright/Singleton
MKG/Morrow
Wall/Mack

And we'd still have the cap space to sign a veteran backup PG and/or C if we wanted to.

[mhd]

What about this: Wiz trade Vessley+Turiaf for Sac pick(top 3 protected)+Salmons
Sac trades pick+Salmons for Ariza+Minny pick
NO trades Minny pick+Ariza for Turiaf+Vessley?

[nate33]

^ I'd offer that entire package to MJ for Diaw's expiring and Charlotte's lotto pick.

I'd do that and throw in Vesely too. Don't see Charlotte going for it though.

If we could keep Wall and Booker while coming away with two top 5 draft picks, it would be a wet dream come true - particularly if one of those picks was Davis. Then we just fill up the roster with competent vets using our cap space, and we'd be one or two years of seasoning away from championship contention.

[verbal8]

^ I'd offer that entire package to MJ for Diaw's expiring and Charlotte's lotto pick.

Actually, I'd first send Young to NJ for Morrow and the future protect HOU first. We keep Morrow and give the pick to CHA instead. Then I trade Lewis to GSW for Biedrins+Wright and a future pick. Rebuild done.

I would strongly consider Young for Morrow straight up. Morrow is a bit of a downgrade, but he is a good value. For NJ Young is a better option as a starter and they potentially have the flexibility to add Dwight Howard and another significant FA.

[llcc25]

^ I'd offer that entire package to MJ for Diaw's expiring and Charlotte's lotto pick.

Actually, I'd first send Young to NJ for Morrow and the future protect HOU first. We keep Morrow and give the pick to CHA instead. Then I trade Lewis to GSW for Biedrins+Wright and a future pick. Rebuild done.

Biedrins/Vesely
Davis/Booker
Wright/Singleton
MKG/Morrow
Wall/Mack

And we'd still have the cap space to sign a veteran backup PG and/or C if we wanted to.

Rebuid done? You're kidding right. That lineup has some problems particularly on the offensive side of ball. First off, MKG is not a SG. He doesn't have a long range jumper let alone a mid range jumper yet. If we expect to take MKG, he will slot in at SF, and we will need to add a PF and SG that can both shoot. Second, what has Biedrins done the past 3 years but miss a lot of games. Are you sure you want to bank our C position on him for the next 2 years at $9m per. At least lets try to upgrade from McGee not go the other way. Third, I don't see a many points coming from that front line of Davis/Biedrins. I don't see many easy baskets from the half court offensive set as neither have enough skill yet to be a stud low post threat. Davis will need a few years at least to be impact on offensive side. Where will we get our points? Essentially, Wright is our only shooter in that starting lineup. No different than this year with Young. And basically we'd be going into next year with no proven scorer who has averaged more than 16 pts. Thats dangerous and I just don't get that this completes are rebuild. If we're looking to tank again next year and possible lose Wall in process, than maybe I can see it.

[nate33]

^ I'd offer that entire package to MJ for Diaw's expiring and Charlotte's lotto pick.

Actually, I'd first send Young to NJ for Morrow and the future protect HOU first. We keep Morrow and give the pick to CHA instead. Then I trade Lewis to GSW for Biedrins+Wright and a future pick. Rebuild done.

Biedrins/Vesely
Davis/Booker
Wright/Singleton
MKG/Morrow
Wall/Mack

And we'd still have the cap space to sign a veteran backup PG and/or C if we wanted to.

Rebuid done? You're kidding right. That lineup has some problems particularly on the offensive side of ball. First off, MKG is not a SG. He doesn't have a long range jumper let alone a mid range jumper yet. If we expect to take MKG, he will slot in at SF, and we will need to add a PF and SG that can both shoot. Second, what has Biedrins done the past 3 years but miss a lot of games. Are you sure you want to bank our C position on him for the next 2 years at $9m per. At least lets try to upgrade from McGee not go the other way. Third, I don't see a many points coming from that front line of Davis/Biedrins. I don't see many easy baskets from the half court offensive set as neither have enough skill yet to be a stud low post threat. Davis will need a few years at least to be impact on offensive side. Where will we get our points? Essentially, Wright is our only shooter in that starting lineup. No different than this year with Young. And basically we'd be going into next year with no proven scorer who has averaged more than 16 pts. Thats dangerous and I just don't get that this completes are rebuild. If we're looking to tank again next year and possible lose Wall in process, than maybe I can see it.

I agree with llcc25. That rebuild sucks, Rico. If we can trade McGee, Vesely and filler for Charlotte's first, we should just do that. Don't bother with the Lewis trade. Amnesty Lewis and create cap space to sign some quality vets to fill in whatever holes are left after the draft. If we walk out of the draft room with Davis and MKG (plus Wall and Booker), then use cap room on Ryan Anderson, Rudy Fernandez and O.J. Mayo. If we walk out of the draft with Thomas Robinson and Jeremy Lamb, then sign a center (McGee, Hawes, Haywood, Lopez) and a small forward (Chandler or Batum).

[hands11]

Best idea I saw recently was what CCJ said in another thread. Get Melo for the Lewis expiring if you can. Add Dray if needed. If Melo returns and New York plays worse, then they will need to move him to add cap space so they can add the right pieces around Linn, Amare, and Chandler.

Adding Melo would put this team back on the map. Then they need to go find a SG. Add Ray Allen while you look for your next quality SG. Not sure what we would have to give up to make that happen but I assume Nick may be involved. Allen would instantly give Wall what he needs which is someone to pass to who is a reliable shooter. And he would be a great mentor for the team and any new SG that comes in.

A few years back when I was scanning the map for a star SF for this team and Melo was the one I wanted to target. I know he isn't perfect but he is still damn good.

Wall/Mack/Craw
Ray Allen/Craw/Mo Evans
Melo/Mo Evans/Singleton
Booker/Ves/KS
McGee/KS/Ronny

This would add two all stars, one of which is a future HOF player. Then you dont have to take a swing in the draft on a player that might be a AS in a few years. You have what you need now and that will instantly help Wall to grow into an AS.

This is a good path to transitioning from Lewis, Dray and probably Nick. Maybe McGee can be salvaged with better players around him. Singleton will gain some breathing room to develop his shot and he can be used for the defensive roll player he is right now. I can see growing the team from this. If they do this at the trade deadline and start winning they can still at a player like

Tyler
Beal
Lamb

Beal may be the perfect student for a Ray Allen who has at least two more year in him. The guy has been like a fine wine. This would allow them to move Crawford is needed. There would be lots of flexibility to add pieces as needed over time.

Maybe they add Tyler instead and move on from McGee if needed.

Which would you prefer.

Wall/Mack
Ray Allen/Beal/Mo Evans
Melo/Mo Evans/Singleton
Booker/Ves/KS
McGee/KS/Ronny

or

Wall/Mack/Craw
Ray Allen/Craw/Mo Evans
Melo/Mo Evans/Singleton
Booker/Ves/KS
Tyler/KS/Ronny

plus whatever they get from McGee

[dangermouse]

Ray Allen a fine wine, as in, gets better with age? Nah, he could carry a team and did so with the Sonics. He's just gone from being a #1 option to being a very important cog on a champion squad. Ray Allen is more like a very expensive, high profile wine ready to drink from day 1, and you kept some bottles down in the cellar that have taken on new characteristics and flavour notes over the years, its still just as good as the day it was bottled, its just a little different now.

Man im thirsty.

[hands11]

Ray Allen a fine wine, as in, gets better with age? Nah, he could carry a team and did so with the Sonics. He's just gone from being a #1 option to being a very important cog on a champion squad. Ray Allen is more like a very expensive, high profile wine ready to drink from day 1, and you kept some bottles down in the cellar that have taken on new characteristics and flavour notes over the years, its still just as good as the day it was bottled, its just a little different now.

Man im thirsty.

Yeah, well however you want to describe it, get his ass here in a Wiz uni

[mhd]

WOW, Detroit fans were willing to trade their 2012 1st for McGee: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1160487&start=75

Honestly, no way would they trade Davis, but I'd certainly do a top 1 protected trade.

What about Gordon+2012 1st (top 1 protected) for McGee+Crawford+Turiaf (expiring)?

[dangermouse]

I love that trade, a lot. But thats just one Pistons fan...

I bet if it was taken to the trade board the response would be very different for the most part.

Absolutely love it though.

[REDardWIZskin]

I'd be all for trying to get Ray Ray... What ever happened to the Oj mayo conversation? is he still a trade target around here? What about Xavier Henry?

[verbal8]

I'd be all for trying to get Ray Ray... What ever happened to the Oj mayo conversation? is he still a trade target around here? What about Xavier Henry?

If the Wizards gave up a significant asset to get Ray Allen, it might give me flashbacks to the Webber/Mitch Richmond deal.

[7-Day Dray]

I actually think Moroe-McGee would be a near-perfect pairing in the frontcourt for DET. Monroe isn't a shot-blocker, so I think his ideal position is PF. Every great defensive team needs a great rim-protecting shot-blocker, and McGee could be that guy for Detroit. And Monroe has potential as a faceup player, so I think they would compliment each other offensively also.