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Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas?

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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#41 » by captaincrunk » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:27 am

Bassman wrote:I want no more SIlas names involved in the coaching staff. I mean really...why would we hire son of Silas when he is getting poor results?

MJ will need to start over with a new coach and staff.

Why?
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#42 » by fatlever » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:05 pm

i guess silas jr can stay and coach next year under these conditions
1) we stop running that damn UCLA high post offense that we have been running so much while DJ is out. go to an offense that is more penetrate and kick to feature kemba and dj.
2) we play at a faster pace.... and mean it this time
3) he hires at least one assistant who has previous head coaching experience
4) he continues to play biz over diop, diaw, thomas, white, najera and any other big who is not part of the long term plans.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#43 » by Bassman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:23 pm

fatlever wrote:i guess silas jr can stay and coach next year under these conditions
1) we stop running that damn UCLA high post offense that we have been running so much while DJ is out. go to an offense that is more penetrate and kick to feature kemba and dj.
2) we play at a faster pace.... and mean it this time
3) he hires at least one assistant who has previous head coaching experience
4) he continues to play biz over diop, diaw, thomas, white, najera and any other big who is not part of the long term plans.


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. Crunk asks me why I do not want a Silas. See above. My question is WHY does junior deserve a HC position?

Jordan hired Silas as the gap coach...a guy to take over from the mess Larry had created, but also to be the guy who followed a legend. I can guarantee you the plan he is following does not involve this current coaching staff. Silas knows this...he's a good soldier and is doing the best he can to manage the transition while preserving the tank.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#44 » by e4Nf6 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:41 pm

Will a new coach be any better than Silas? I'd say it's 50/50.

He does have some history of developing young players, which is really the only thing we are trying to accomplish this year so personally I'd keep him. However, If Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson become available at some point I'd drop him like a bad habit.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#45 » by fatlever » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:12 pm

Bassman wrote:
fatlever wrote:i guess silas jr can stay and coach next year under these conditions
1) we stop running that damn UCLA high post offense that we have been running so much while DJ is out. go to an offense that is more penetrate and kick to feature kemba and dj.
2) we play at a faster pace.... and mean it this time
3) he hires at least one assistant who has previous head coaching experience
4) he continues to play biz over diop, diaw, thomas, white, najera and any other big who is not part of the long term plans.


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. Crunk asks me why I do not want a Silas. See above. My question is WHY does junior deserve a HC position?

Jordan hired Silas as the gap coach...a guy to take over from the mess Larry had created, but also to be the guy who followed a legend. I can guarantee you the plan he is following does not involve this current coaching staff. Silas knows this...he's a good soldier and is doing the best he can to manage the transition while preserving the tank.


only reason i would consider silas jr would be if we plan on tanking again next year as well. so assume we dont add any free agents of note and we add 1 top 5 pick to this current team, we are still going to be atrocious next year. give silas jr a one year deal, if he does an amazing job he can get an extension, if not it will then be the perfect time for bringing in a solid vet head coach. i just doubt we will be able to find many coaches interested in coaching us next year if the roster is more of the same.

then again, i totally understand the logic to go a new way considering the results from this year, whether blame is deserved or not.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#46 » by Snidely FC » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:05 pm

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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#47 » by doc.end » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:04 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:
doc.end wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Silas has continually said he wants us to play more up tempo.

I think that every coach is obliged to say that before a season. Most of them say that very few do that.

Well it's hard to run an uptempo offense when you

1. can't force turnovers (28th overall, 29th in steals)
2. can't get rebounds (25th defensive, 19th in offensive allowed)
3. can't force bad shots (27th in OFG%, 23rd in O3P%)

Of course. But that's on coaches to realize they need to succeed in those things to be able to be run properly. If it is not stressed or players fail to do that because of their limitations then you can't run. (the latter part was added to be "fair" to Silas)

My point is a coach saying he wants his team run provide as muhc info as him saying they want to win games. And as many teams fail to achieve a winning record, many fail to run as well.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#48 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:02 pm

I think we had a top 5 pace before DJ's injury, we were definitely top 10. We're currently 16th, we're just super inefficient on both sides of the floor so it doesn't matter.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#49 » by Eoghan » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:53 pm

fatlever wrote:
Bassman wrote:
fatlever wrote:i guess silas jr can stay and coach next year under these conditions
1) we stop running that damn UCLA high post offense that we have been running so much while DJ is out. go to an offense that is more penetrate and kick to feature kemba and dj.
2) we play at a faster pace.... and mean it this time
3) he hires at least one assistant who has previous head coaching experience
4) he continues to play biz over diop, diaw, thomas, white, najera and any other big who is not part of the long term plans.


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. Crunk asks me why I do not want a Silas. See above. My question is WHY does junior deserve a HC position?

Jordan hired Silas as the gap coach...a guy to take over from the mess Larry had created, but also to be the guy who followed a legend. I can guarantee you the plan he is following does not involve this current coaching staff. Silas knows this...he's a good soldier and is doing the best he can to manage the transition while preserving the tank.


only reason i would consider silas jr would be if we plan on tanking again next year as well. so assume we dont add any free agents of note and we add 1 top 5 pick to this current team, we are still going to be atrocious next year. give silas jr a one year deal, if he does an amazing job he can get an extension, if not it will then be the perfect time for bringing in a solid vet head coach. i just doubt we will be able to find many coaches interested in coaching us next year if the roster is more of the same.

then again, i totally understand the logic to go a new way considering the results from this year, whether blame is deserved or not.

^that's exactly why I like Stephen Silas. Give him a 1 yr tryout b/c we're likely to be tanking again next year. Let him hire his dad or another veteran assistant with HC exp to help, he's good with developing young guys and guards (like Stephen Curry), he knows the team and organization, he's not necessarily his dad, and MJ probably still wants a young coach like when he hired Sam Vincent b/c he couldn't get a Avery Johnson. By all accounts I've heard, Stephen is pretty well respected as a basketball mind, why not try him out since we'll be unlikely to find a coach to take over this mess anytime soon?
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#50 » by doc.end » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:17 pm

Well, why isn't showing that now?

If Deron leaves Nets we would have a serious opponent in tanking.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#51 » by Elden Payton » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:42 am

@BrotherDave

Very good post & I agree on the most part on your points but I think Paul has to coach the rest of this year & next season aswell.

Stephen will be a good head coach, I have no doubt in my mind but why drop this mess in his lap? Why should we damage his confidence by having him start out with a trainwreck record?

Paul Silas has a wealth of experience & is a good coach but noone could make a half decent team with this roster.

Why not let Stephen inherit Kemba+Henderson+top 5 pick(Muhammed)+top 5 pick(Davis)+Biyombo??
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#52 » by Bassman » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:30 pm

Whether Silas will be a good head coach or not, when you make a move you clean house. That's just how it is done. No one wants to follow a coaching legend, even if his later days stuck up the joint. Paul was available, local and willing to step into the gap quickly. He became the caretaker of the rehab project (tearing down the house to the studs). I do not see he or any of his staff being part of the rebuild. The rebuild has to start after this disasterous season is over. Although he was all in on the restructure, MJ clearly didn't see this train wreck coming. We all laugh at the "TANK" approach and endorse it, but I guarantee you Jordan is pis*** off big time.

I am sure MJ and his team have begun quietly evaluating potential coaches. I predict Silas will be gone within 5 days of the end of the season, with a new hire made 2 weeks later.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#53 » by Kembastockton » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 pm

I predict Silas will be here until Mike is content that he has a roster worthy of running with, and then Paul will step aside for his son to take the reigns. Mike is not going to fire a cheap well liked coach, because our record sucks. Our record is supposed to suck that is what happens when you trade your two best players for unproven kids and draft picks. Mike is not somewhere shocked that Silas let his team come to such a pass. It was intentional. Mike wanted to get some studds on this team, and since none of the ones in the nba wanted to come here he had to do do it the hard way.
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Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Silas? 

Post#54 » by captaincrunk » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:05 pm

Bassman wrote:Whether Silas will be a good head coach or not, when you make a move you clean house. That's just how it is done. No one wants to follow a coaching legend, even if his later days stuck up the joint. Paul was available, local and willing to step into the gap quickly. He became the caretaker of the rehab project (tearing down the house to the studs). I do not see he or any of his staff being part of the rebuild. The rebuild has to start after this disasterous season is over. Although he was all in on the restructure, MJ clearly didn't see this train wreck coming. We all laugh at the "TANK" approach and endorse it, but I guarantee you Jordan is pis*** off big time.

I am sure MJ and his team have begun quietly evaluating potential coaches. I predict Silas will be gone within 5 days of the end of the season, with a new hire made 2 weeks later.

I'm really not sure what you would consider a good job to be from the head coach position right now.

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