Official Speculation Thread (Pt XII, Mods Close)

[The Real Dalic]

Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard
Nothing's changed in Phoenix: Suns still not trading Steve Nash unless he asks for it, sources say. And he won't.

I fear that the Magic may make no moves at all.

Seriously, if we don't make any moves at all we might as well trade Dwight... cause we're going to lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, unless we get lucky, with this team as currently constructed... and Dwight would just leave anyway... unless he opts into his final year.

[ADRajX]

Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard
Nothing's changed in Phoenix: Suns still not trading Steve Nash unless he asks for it, sources say. And he won't.

I fear that the Magic may make no moves at all.

just like last year's deadline sigh

[MagicFan41]

Wow... that Ellis deal is really not that great... unless we get Ellis, Brooks (or Lopez), and Lee [form a starting core of Ellis, Brooks (or Lopez), Ryan, Lee]... but since that's unlikely, I don't see any reason to make that trade... I'd rather have Lopez/Brooks/draft picks and maybe flip Lopez for another player(s) than just trade for Ellis (and I'm a huge fan of Ellis)... a Ellis for Dwight swap is the worst trade ever... but if we're getting Ellis AND Dwight is still on the Magic, then I'm all for the trade obviously

I agree.

I honestly don't think it's THAT hard to do. If you DO decide you have to trade Dwight, why wouldn't all teams do something like:

MAGIC OUT: Dwight, Hedo, Duhon, JRich/JJ, Jameer (completely rebuild)
MAGIC IN: Monta, Brooks, DLee, Okur, Farmar, Wright + NJ 1st

GSW OUT: Monta, DLee, Wright
GSW IN: Jameer, JRich/JJ, Lopez, Petro

(I know everyone is gonna act like they'd never do this but they definitely want a 7-ft big....Lopez is one of the few on the market) + they get a great backup PG in Meer, a great shooter in JRich/JJ

NJ OUT: Brooks, Lopez, Okur, Petro, Farmar, NJ 1st
NJ IN: Dwight, Hedo, Duhon

We get Okur's expiring, since we are going to have to pay Ryan anyways if we want to keep him, that helps offset that.

So we would be left with:

Monta/Farmar
Brooks/JJ/Wafer
Wright/Q/Liggins
Ryan/BBD/Earl
Lee/Okur

plus we would still have the MLE to use, as well as NJ 1st pick, which should be pretty good. Lot of flexibility in that lineup. Have some very tradeable pieces...a nice pick...a much better backup PG. Of course that frontcourt is soft, but more than likely it will be if we have to move Dwight anyways.

If we let Okur and JJ go during the summer, you would have a bit of caproom as well. FA class sucks this summer though.

[Def Swami]

Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard
Nothing's changed in Phoenix: Suns still not trading Steve Nash unless he asks for it, sources say. And he won't.

I fear that the Magic may make no moves at all.

Seriously, if we don't make any moves at all we might as well trade Dwight... cause we're going to lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, unless we get lucky, with this team as currently constructed... and Dwight would just leave anyway... unless he opts into his final year.

Exactly. The thing I don't want to see is the Magic FO make a pitch to Dwight in the offseason that this current roster will get it done for him. Improve team/trade Dwight or bust

[G-Heel]

haha, Wizards trading 2 21 years old guys for our garbage plus Ryan, good one!

JRich and Jameer might be our garbage, but they're both above average NBA players and I think executing such a trade turns Washington from a perennial bottom feeder to a legitimate fringe playoff team.

I won't press the issue further, and I realize it'd never happen, but I think if Washington is serious about rebuilding and not just collecting T-6 draft picks every season, they at the very least consider trading their pick from two years ago (who will surely bolt at first opportunity) for an entire starting lineup of established veterans and a fairly high probability of selling some playoff tickets.

Washington isn't trading Wall for Ryno. Also, they could've amnesty Lewis if they didn't want him.. So, Hedo isn't worth more to them than Rashard.

[MagicFan41]

haha, Wizards trading 2 21 years old guys for our garbage plus Ryan, good one!

JRich and Jameer might be our garbage, but they're both above average NBA players and I think executing such a trade turns Washington from a perennial bottom feeder to a legitimate fringe playoff team.

I won't press the issue further, and I realize it'd never happen, but I think if Washington is serious about rebuilding and not just collecting T-6 draft picks every season, they at the very least consider trading their pick from two years ago (who will surely bolt at first opportunity) for an entire starting lineup of established veterans and a fairly high probability of selling some playoff tickets.

Washington isn't trading Wall for Ryno. Also, they could've amnesty Lewis if they didn't want him.. So, Hedo isn't worth more to them than Rashard.

I think they didn't amnesty him because they can just wait and amnesty him if/when there is a free agent they want/think they can get. Doesn't make all that much sense to amnesty him just for the sake of it if it doesn't gain them much. $20mil a year for a guy not to play with little gain of doing so isn't smart business. We only did it because of luxury tax issues. We would've had to pay Gil like $35 mil to play this year.

It doesn't make sense to just have a ton of caproom (like they would've) without a bigger real plan in place. When that happens, you end up artificially overpaying guys because you feel like you "have" to spend your caproom. Who was WAS really going to go after if they amnestied Shard this year? Hell, I'm not even sure it makes much sense for them to do it next year either unless they have a free big name free agents they are going to go after (and there aren't many outside of D-Will/Dwight). If you really look at WAS's situation, they are aligned PERFECTLY for the Summer 2013. They'll have a bunch of young talent on smaller contracts, and then have almost every single contract as a team option that summer, giving them the ability to make a huge splash if they want to team up with guys like Wall, Mcgee, Young. Hell, they could end up with a team like:

Wall
Young
Iguodala
JSmoov
Mcgee

with bench guys like Vesely, Blatche...

That's a pretty tough team. EXTREMELY athletic and some real real good defenders. Man, that's kinda nasty just looking at it.

[jezzer45]

What happened to all the optimism about dwight staying? I say the fo pulls out a trade from left field that no one here has even thought about.

[jernigan]

No reason to get emotional about rumors coming up...then fading away..that's the nature of you know, rumors. Nothing happens until it happens (or doesn't) anyway.

[624]

Magic Trade:
Ryan Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Jason Richardson
Hedo Turkoglu

Magic Receive:
John Wall
Rashard Lewis
2011 #6 Pick Jan Vesely


Magic 2012 Roster:

Dwight Howard, Justin Harper, Daniel Orton
Rashard Lewis, Glen Davis, Jan Vasely
Quentin Richardson, Earl Clark, DeAndre Liggins
JJ Redick, Von Wafer
John Wall, Chris Duhon, Ish Smith

Wizards Roster:

JaVale McGee, Ronny Turiaf
Ryan Anderson, Andray Blatche, Trevor Brooker
Nick Young, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Singleton
Jason Richardson, Jordan Crawford, Mo Evans
Jameer Nelson, Shelvin Mack


Shard's contract comes off of the books in 2014, and....
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Justin Harper
SF: Jan Vesely
SG: JJ Redick
PG: John Wall
....is not a bad core of young dudes moving forward.

Why would Washington ever do that? That trade is horrible for them.

[arsenal6106]

Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard
Nothing's changed in Phoenix: Suns still not trading Steve Nash unless he asks for it, sources say. And he won't.

I fear that the Magic may make no moves at all.

just like last year's deadline sigh

In all fairness, the December Trades were our 2011 deadline moves.

[MagicFan41]

In all fairness, the December Trades were our 2011 deadline moves.

Yeh, to be honest....what's this whole notion of us "not ever doing anything". We've pretty much traded more than ANYBODY the past 4 years or so. Has anybody actually made more trades in the league than Otis? I mean that, has ANYBODY? I would doubt it. The moves might not always work, but we don't just "not do anything"...

[Noonskadoodle]

Can we stop talkin about John Wall? Hahahaha he is going nowhere.

And relax people its not even March 1st yet. Something will be done I guarantee it. Whether its Dwight moved or us bringing in help. Something WILL be done. I would bet ANYTHING on it.

[Nolimit1211]

Magic Trade:
Ryan Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Jason Richardson
Hedo Turkoglu

Magic Receive:
John Wall
Rashard Lewis
2011 #6 Pick Jan Vesely


Magic 2012 Roster:

Dwight Howard, Justin Harper, Daniel Orton
Rashard Lewis, Glen Davis, Jan Vasely
Quentin Richardson, Earl Clark, DeAndre Liggins
JJ Redick, Von Wafer
John Wall, Chris Duhon, Ish Smith

Wizards Roster:

JaVale McGee, Ronny Turiaf
Ryan Anderson, Andray Blatche, Trevor Brooker
Nick Young, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Singleton
Jason Richardson, Jordan Crawford, Mo Evans
Jameer Nelson, Shelvin Mack


Shard's contract comes off of the books in 2014, and....
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Justin Harper
SF: Jan Vesely
SG: JJ Redick
PG: John Wall
....is not a bad core of young dudes moving forward.

Why would Washington ever do that? That trade is horrible for them.

Welcome to the Magic board LOL

[Darth Magic]

Can we stop talkin about John Wall? Hahahaha he is going nowhere.

And relax people its not even March 1st yet. Something will be done I guarantee it. Whether its Dwight moved or us bringing in help. Something WILL be done. I would bet ANYTHING on it.

Same here. Something will be done, and we'll be the better for it.

[Orlando Prodigy]

I'd rather expect no trades and be surprised than expect trades and be disappointed. Also...

@DaTrillStak5 (Stephen Jackson)
If u call wanting to earn your money and wanting to win a"Headcase" then I'm that. Been a great teammate for 12 yrs. Ask anyone. Last two teams I have been on I was a big part in getting them to the playoffs. How soon u all forget. I will remind u soon. Gods Work.

[Nolimit1211]

I'd rather expect no trades and be surprised than expect trades and be disappointed. Also...

@DaTrillStak5 (Stephen Jackson)
If u call wanting to earn your money and wanting to win a"Headcase" then I'm that. Been a great teammate for 12 yrs. Ask anyone. Last two teams I have been on I was a big part in getting them to the playoffs. How soon u all forget. I will remind u soon. Gods Work.

Stack Jack has a ring. Don't forget that... I love his demeanor there.

[ADRajX]

just like last year's deadline sigh

In all fairness, the December Trades were our 2011 deadline moves.

True true... I was just alluding to last year's deadline when there was false rumors of the Magic trading for ZBo or Josh Smith and we all got excited over it... and the deadline passed with nothing happening. That's all.

[chrpri84]

rumored- 3 way trade sending DH to NJ, Lopez to GSW, Ellis to ORL

[MagicFan41]

rumored- 3 way trade sending DH to NJ, Lopez to GSW, Ellis to ORL

Been discussed in detail....I have to say, I'm pretty sure if we decide we are dealing Dwight to NJ....a 3rd team will def be involved to get us another quality vet/star. So far we have been linked to GSW with Ellis, POR with Wallace, PHL with Iggy....so I'm pretty sure that's management's plan if we do end up sending him to NJ.

The one thing that seems odd to me though, is that supposedly GSW is willing to give up Monta+pieces to "rent" Dwight (with many indications pointing he won't stay there)....but they aren't willing to take back some of our good pieces for Monta straight up? Kinda bizarre...

[Nyce_1]

Seems like SJackson knows he's about to get traded.