Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[I Rasharted]

if the Magic are exploring this, then Dwight must have indicated staying is a solid option.

[Tayswagzzz]

To be honest, I am still hoping on a potential deal with Phoenix. I want Steve Nash more than Ellis. The dude is a legitimate playmaker, heck one of the best all-time.

I have that same bad feeling in my stomach about acquiring Ellis. I actually see him coming in here posting subpar scoring numbers on mediocre efficiency trying to fit into this offense and being put on a short leash. Then at that point we get back to debating on whether or not this is on Stan or if Ellis just sucks. I don't see us having those same issues with Nash. He's the kind of guy SVG would trust right off the bat.

I'm not so sure. SVG has said before the reason he runs the offense he does is because of the players he has at his disposal. Most of them are role players who make the open 3. With someone like Ellis on the roster, I'm sure he'd be given more freedom, we haven't had a guy like that with SVG yet. I'm damn sure SVG knows what Ellis can do and isn't going to restrain him.

[SubyWill]

Ryno is untouchable. Even for Ellis. Anyone but Ryno and Dwight.

[RickB-Orlando]

By the way - Ping's report at 11 was:

"I've been told by an NBA GM, Magic will not trade Howard unless they get a deal that they cannot refuse."

What a frigging tool.

[Nyce_1]

if the Magic are exploring this, then Dwight must have indicated staying is a solid option.

That's what I think too.

[The Real Dalic]

But Ryan is easily replaceable... Ellis is not... if we have Dwight and Ellis locked up we could easily sign other players to fill the roster.... I'm thinking big picture along with this year....

There used to be a time when Steve Francis was irreplaceable and then the Westbrooks and D Roses came.

There used to be a time when Gilbert Arenas was replaceable and then he blew it up.

Ryan is not as easily replaceable as one might think. I don't think he's going to be great but even for superstars, very few are speedy rebounding shooters. It's a deceptively unique toolset. Not something that looks special on the surface but definitely one of the few styles that age well like wine especially since Ryno is on the smaller side unlike say Vladimir Radmanovic. Another clue is his development. Not many players can develop out of nowhere with that toolset. It's an anomaly on par with the Chris Mullins and the Detlef Schrempfs doing better than expected in the league.

Ellis on the other hand is the opposite. Before he was irreplaceable, he was expendable. Then like KMart, he sacrificed part of his game to be different (but on the opposite side of the aisle), to be more aggressive and turned his game into something that was closer to Allen Iverson at point but one where he can't sustain it for long even today. He needs GS system. Without GS' system he'll slowly turn into a shorter Corey Magette unless he finds a shooting touch but then that's still just JRich level shooting and he'll lose his aggressive drives once he adopts this.

I can't believe I am agreeing with you after as much we disagreed in the other thread. But you are dead on here.

Monta Ellis is a good player, but some people are treating him like a legit star. He just isn't THAT good. You just don't trade three good players for him and expect all your problems to be solved. He may help in some areas, but you are creating new holes and problems.

He is... there's a reason people said he got snubbed from the All-Stars....

[PeePee la Fritz]

Man its getting testy here. Look what you've done Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!

[RickB-Orlando]

To be honest, I am still hoping on a potential deal with Phoenix. I want Steve Nash more than Ellis. The dude is a legitimate playmaker, heck one of the best all-time.

I have that same bad feeling in my stomach about acquiring Ellis. I actually see him coming in here posting subpar scoring numbers on mediocre efficiency trying to fit into this offense and being put on a short leash. Then at that point we get back to debating on whether or not this is on Stan or if Ellis just sucks. I don't see us having those same issues with Nash. He's the kind of guy SVG would trust right off the bat.

I'm not so sure. SVG has said before the reason he runs the offense he does is because of the players he has at his disposal. Most of them are role players who make the open 3. With someone like Ellis on the roster, I'm sure he'd be given more freedom, we haven't had a guy like that with SVG yet. I'm damn sure SVG knows what Ellis can do and isn't going to restrain him.

Agreed. People don't give SVG enough credit as a coach.

I don't remember him "restraining" Wade in Miami...

[The Real Dalic]

By the way - Ping's report at 11 was:

"I've been told by an NBA GM, Magic will not trade Howard unless they get a deal that they cannot refuse."

What a frigging tool.

[The Real Dalic]

Man its getting testy here. Look what you've done Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!

Naw, we're all good. we're all Magic fans who just want to see us succeed.

[jjtreyball]

Ok u can't count Andy cause he's out for a while and yes McGee>Erdin

Thompson isn't that good he barley plays
Casspi might be the worst starter in league
And the Cavs had the worst record in the league last year and now there floating around the 8th seed..wizards weren't even the worst team when they got walk and he hasn't done anything in 2 years
So yes Cavs have worse teammates

[Nolimit1211]

Ryno is untouchable. Even for Ellis. Anyone but Ryno and Dwight.

Ryno is fools gold. A product of every C/PF too worried about Dwight that he gets open looks...

The Celtics are a team we met early on in the season that plays Dwight strait up, and you know how that worked out? Ryan = 0 for 8....... The playoffs will be played in a similar style.

[The Real Dalic]

Ok u can't count Andy cause he's out for a while and yes McGee>Erdin

Thompson isn't that good he barley plays
Casspi might be the worst starter in league
And the Cavs had the worst record in the league last year and now there floating around the 8th seed..wizards weren't even the worst team when they got walk and he hasn't done anything in 2 years
So yes Cavs have worse teammates

I never said anything about Erdin. Duhon's better than Erdin....

[jjtreyball]

For even more evidence wall got picked 12th among rookies and sophomores in that rising stars...he's all hype..yes hes fast yes he can dunk but he can't change directions quick and can't shoot and doesn't know how to win

[OrlandO]

I was sold on Ellis ever since his 09-10 season... he had a few 40pts+ games and 20 30pts+ games in like 65 games. Same last season, few 40pt games and a bunch of 30pt games. Doesn't matter that he's allowed to take a lot of shots on the Warriors, what matters is he's been balling with those opportunities. He won't get 20+ attempts a game, but SVG would allow this guy to dominate the ball more than any other player he's had on the Magic.

If you don't want to pair Ellis with Dwight, something is wrong... those two would feed off of each other based on athleticism alone.

[Driguez]

Ryno is untouchable. Even for Ellis. Anyone but Ryno and Dwight.

Ok, let's be real here. Who do you think could net us anything close to a star? Anyone but Dwight is on the table. Let's keep in mind the goal is to keep Dwight, and that also Monta was on his reported list.

[PeePee la Fritz]

By the way - Ping's report at 11 was:

"I've been told by an NBA GM, Magic will not trade Howard unless they get a deal that they cannot refuse."

What a frigging tool.

Oh Ping how I love the ....... What I mean is You!

[The Real Dalic]

For even more evidence wall got picked 12th among rookies and sophomores in that rising stars...he's all hype..yes hes fast yes he can dunk but he can't change directions quick and can't shoot and doesn't know how to win

You do realize Shaq and Barkley were the GMs right??? Shaq had 4 or 5 PGs.....

[Last Guardian]

Ryno is untouchable. Even for Ellis. Anyone but Ryno and Dwight.

Ryno is fools gold. A product of every C/PF too worried about Dwight that he gets open looks...

The Celtics are a team we met early on in the season that plays Dwight strait up, and you know how that worked out? Ryan = 0 for 8....... The playoffs will be played in a similar style.

Thats why Anderson plays pretty well when Dwight isn't even in the game.

[D12VCMagic]

Who cares if a bunch of fans think he got snubbed? The coaches didn't think enough of him to actually put him in there, which actually matters. People want him in the All Star game because of his flashy stats. Which would go down here. Like every other perimeter player we've added under SVG.

What this team really needs is someone who can run pick and rolls with Dwight to perfection, find open shooters and hit threes himself. Jameer just isn't good enough at this anymore. But there is a certain PG who may be available, who fits this need down to the T. But even then I'm skeptical of trading Ryan Anderson. He is way more valuable to us than people realize. It isn't easy to find a player with the shooting and rebounding ability he brings to the table. Not to mention he is 23 and on a solid contract.