Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

kid idioteque · Post #41 » by **kid idioteque** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:22 pm

The reaction by every person on this board hearing about Hammond taking these phone calls:

DanoMac · Post #42 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:22 pm

Hammond and Kohl after they trade Bogut for Gasol.

Post #43 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:22 pm

stevescheffler06 wrote:Does anyone really think there is less than a 70/30 chance that he's dealt in a win now move?

Jackson/Bogut/Delfino for Dalembert/Martin/Knicks pick.

It works in the trade checker.

It works in Kohl's mind. "Win now and win later. We CAN do both you know!"

Sauce Boss · Post #44 » by **Sauce Boss** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:23 pm

Newz wrote:
Sauce Boss wrote:
Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

You mean like Al Jefferson plus the picks because Hammond likes to compete for the 8th while rebuilding....

I would definitely settle for Jefferson plus the picks.

I'm not a fan of Jefferson, but if we got both those picks I'd still do it. I could see him just doing a straight swap though, which would be gross.

Baddy Chuck · Post #45 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:24 pm

Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

Beal/Lamb and Harkless with an extra pick :droop:

braindazer · Post #46 » by **braindazer** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The question I'd speculate on relates to Ersan. I'm just wondering if this team figures they can get 10 rebounds a game, garbage man offense and some decent interior defense from Ersan and thus replace some of what Bogut provided.

Thus this type of trade frees up cash to pay Ersan and brings in an asset at another area of need.

PLUS 1

kid idioteque · Post #47 » by **kid idioteque** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:26 pm

If they were to lock up a top 5 (maybe 10) lottery pick with this trade, I'd be OK if the deal also involved a win-now piece like Crawford, especially if it included additional outgoing salary.

Newz · Post #48 » by **Newz** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:26 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

Beal/Lamb and Harkless with an extra pick

I could even see something like:

Bogut + Ersan for Al Jefferson + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

:droop:

Anything to have three picks in the lottery. That would actually give us a decent chance to move up as well.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #49 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:27 pm

Bittersweet is right. Bogut was the crown jewel of our last blow-up (bottoming out after splitting up the Big 3, and we attempted to build around Bogut with a whole bunch of lotto picks - Yi, CV, Alexander, Harris. It didn't work out, and we all know it. Still, it would really sink in if/when we deal the guy and truly admit defeat. Nearly 10 years of "rebuilding" and the organization finally admitting that nothing has been accomplished.

DanoMac · Post #50 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:28 pm

Newz wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

Beal/Lamb and Harkless with an extra pick

I could even see something like:

Bogut + Ersan for Al Jefferson + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

Anything to have three picks in the lottery. That would actually give us a decent chance to move up as well.

It's posts like these that make me think the sun's about to rise over the Bucks...then I sit back and realize who our brass is.

My God...how incredibly bright the Bucks could come out looking by unloading Bogut. We're going to find someway to **** this up.

kid idioteque · Post #51 » by **kid idioteque** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:31 pm

I definitely think parting ways with Bogut at this point could benefit both parties.

mlloyd10 · Post #52 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:33 pm

Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

SOLD.....SOLD.....SOLD.....SOLD

aboveAverage · Post #53 » by **aboveAverage** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:34 pm

I think it's time, as well. I love Bogut, but for the best interest of both parties, it's finally time to move on. I'd like to see Bogut play on a good team and accomplish something in his career. The Bucks need picks and they need to hit on a superstar.

But, if Hammond blows this, he should be banned from ever even watching an NBA game. You either get picks and youth for Bogut, or you don't trade him. I'm fearing PP's worst case scenario of Dalembert and Martin to chase the 7th seed.

MikeIsGood · Post #54 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:35 pm

This is fantastic (if true) in theory, but will be straight-trash in execution. I have zero faith in this being done correctly. Hammond will mortgage our future to try and save our present. I put the chances on us giving up our own first way higher than actually bringing back a second one.

If you're irritated by the cynicism, don't blame me. It's the Bucks' fault.

Ayt · Post #55 » by **Ayt** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:36 pm

We can win a lot of games with a Gooden/Ersan frontcourt. Ship Bogut while we can.

paul · Post #56 » by **paul** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:36 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
braindazer wrote:If we trade Andrew squad 6 will be gone and there won't be anyone at the BC .

So there will be 5,000 paid seats instead of 5,050. I'm guessing Bogut didn't actually have to pay for them anyways.

You're guessing wrong.

Kerb Hohl · Post #57 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:37 pm

Kinda doubt Utah would do the ones you guys are proposing.

I haven't kept tabs on Okur and I realize he's expiring but how are they going to sort out the logjam of:

Bogut/Jefferson
Favors/Milsap

I know some would say "a good problem to have" but I doubt they'd set it up that way.

MikeIsGood · Post #58 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:37 pm

Also, I totally support this from the Bogut POV, as well. I am one to take a "business" approach to sports (i.e. Favre), but if we want to get into the personal side I'd be happy to see him get healthy and find success on a team that is actually good.

paul · Post #59 » by **paul** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:38 pm

Gery has gotten pretty much nothing right in about 3 years and usually is so far off base he might as well be talking about a different sport. Don't think I'll pay much attention until someone I vaguely believe reports it.

DanoMac · Post #60 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:38 pm

aboveAverage wrote:I think it's time, as well. I love Bogut, but for the best interest of both parties, it's finally time to move on. I'd like to see Bogut play on a good team and accomplish something in his career. The Bucks need picks and they need to hit on a superstar.

But, if Hammond blows this, he should be banned from ever even watching an NBA game. You either get picks and youth for Bogut, or you don't trade him. I'm fearing PP's worst case scenario of Dalembert and Martin to chase the 7th seed.

I kid you not, if that happened I'd send Hammond the biggest hate e-mail then post his e-mail and cell phone # on here.

John, if you're reading this, the ball's in my court. Don't **** us.