Trade Deadline Thread

[C.lupus]

This sucks. We still dont have a SG.

But we also don't have Derek Fisher.

[_AIJ_]

If that's that, i hope we resign Beas.

[Basti]

One of the cap expert should make a Wolves offseason cap thread so we can determine once and for all what are exact about of cap space could be.

This is where we need shrink. Sucks that he's gone

[moss_is_1]

I wouldn't say im a cap expert, but after I get home ill try to see where we would stand cap wise for the offseason, along with a few scenarios(cutting miller/martell, amnestying darko, not bringing back beas or ar).

[Krapinsky]

I wouldn't say im a cap expert, but after I get home ill try to see where we would stand cap wise for the offseason, along with a few scenarios(cutting miller/martell, amnestying darko, not bringing back beas or ar).

FWIW Coon recommended to use $13,668,750 as the projected salary for Love. There's a couple different figure floating around out there.

[jballer_13]

Here's my quick stab at this. Got my info from Canis/Sham.

Committed:
K.Love $13,668,750
M. Webster $5,712,000 ($600,000 guaranteed)
D. Milicic $5,228,000
B. Miller $5,104,000 ($848,000 guaranteed)
D. Williams $4,947,840
N. Pekovic $4,915,000
JJ Barea $4,650,250
W. Johnson $4,285,560
L. Ridnour $4,000,000
R. Rubio $3,741,120
W. Ellington $2,083,042
M. Lee $762,195

Cap Holds:
M. Beasley $12,524,694
A. Randolph $7,278,078
A. Tolliver $2,665,000

So that gives us an initial cap number of:
$81,565,529.

Before I go into our possible situations, I should note that all teams must have 12 players under contract and/or roster holds against the salary cap at all times. If a team is under 12, they will be given a roster charge of the league minimum salary (roughly $500K) until they reach 12 (example a team with only 10 contracts/cap holds would get $1 Mil in roster charges, 9 contracts/holds would be $1.5 Mil, etc.).

So let's say we waive Webster/Miller and renounce AR/Tolly, then our new cap number would be:
$62,754,451 (11 players under contract and/or cap holds)

If we amnesty Darko it would be:
$58,026,451 (10 players under contract and/or cap holds)

We will want to figure out what to do with Beasley as soon as we can since he has a massive cap hold. If we flat out renounce him (thus denouncing his Bird right's) we would be at:
$46,001,757

[moss_is_1]

I wouldn't say im a cap expert, but after I get home ill try to see where we would stand cap wise for the offseason, along with a few scenarios(cutting miller/martell, amnestying darko, not bringing back beas or ar).

FWIW Coon recommended to use $13,668,750 as the projected salary for Love. There's a couple different figure floating around out there.

Hmm okay, yeah I had what storyteller has for his contract at $12,922,250.

I see that jballer beat me to the punch, but i'll just make a thread here before the game too.

[Peezo]

I'll be in Vegas next weekend and after today I plan on putting some money down for the Spurs to win the Western Conference. With Jackson and the emergence of Leonard, all of a sudden they are very tough on the wings.

Haven't you always been really critical of Jackson? I agree with your point, I just thought you didn't like him.

[Krapinsky]

That looks right to me Jballs. Good work.

So we'd be looking at $12M to throw at a free agents.

$12M for Gordon?

$6M for Beas + $6M for OJ/Lee?

[Krapinsky]

I'll be in Vegas next weekend and after today I plan on putting some money down for the Spurs to win the Western Conference. With Jackson and the emergence of Leonard, all of a sudden they are very tough on the wings.

Haven't you always been really critical of Jackson? I agree with your point, I just thought you didn't like him.

Don't like him on the Wolves, but like him a lot in San Antonio, especially as an upgrade to Jefferson for them.

[moss_is_1]

Here's my quick stab at this. Got my info from Canis/Sham.

Committed:
K.Love $13,668,750
M. Webster $5,712,000 ($600,000 guaranteed)
D. Milicic $5,228,000
B. Miller $5,104,000 ($848,000 guaranteed)
D. Williams $4,947,840
N. Pekovic $4,915,000
JJ Barea $4,650,250
W. Johnson $4,285,560
L. Ridnour $4,000,000
R. Rubio $3,741,120
W. Ellington $2,083,042
M. Lee $762,195

Cap Holds:
M. Beasley $12,524,694
A. Randolph $7,278,078
A. Tolliver $2,665,000

So that gives us an initial cap number of:
$81,565,529.

Before I go into our possible situations, I should note that all teams must have 12 players under contract and/or roster holds against the salary cap at all times. If a team is under 12, they will be given a roster charge of the league minimum salary (roughly $500K) until they reach 12 (example a team with only 10 contracts/cap holds would get $1 Mil in roster charges, 9 contracts/holds would be $1.5 Mil, etc.).

So let's say we waive Webster/Miller and renounce AR/Tolly, then our new cap number would be:
$62,754,451 (11 players under contract and/or cap holds)

If we amnesty Darko it would be:
$58,026,451 (10 players under contract and/or cap holds)

We will want to figure out what to do with Beasley as soon as we can since he has a massive cap hold. If we flat out renounce him (thus denouncing his Bird right's) we would be at:
$46,001,757

I noticed that Canis must have slightly different numbers for salaries, I used just ShamSports for mine(in another thread).

[eyeteeth]

Here's my quick stab at this. Got my info from Canis/Sham.

Committed:
K.Love $13,668,750
M. Webster $5,712,000 ($600,000 guaranteed)
D. Milicic $5,228,000
B. Miller $5,104,000 ($848,000 guaranteed)
D. Williams $4,947,840
N. Pekovic $4,915,000
JJ Barea $4,650,250
W. Johnson $4,285,560
L. Ridnour $4,000,000
R. Rubio $3,741,120
W. Ellington $2,083,042
M. Lee $762,195

Cap Holds:
M. Beasley $12,524,694
A. Randolph $7,278,078
A. Tolliver $2,665,000

So that gives us an initial cap number of:
$81,565,529.

Before I go into our possible situations, I should note that all teams must have 12 players under contract and/or roster holds against the salary cap at all times. If a team is under 12, they will be given a roster charge of the league minimum salary (roughly $500K) until they reach 12 (example a team with only 10 contracts/cap holds would get $1 Mil in roster charges, 9 contracts/holds would be $1.5 Mil, etc.).

So let's say we waive Webster/Miller and renounce AR/Tolly, then our new cap number would be:
$62,754,451 (11 players under contract and/or cap holds)

If we amnesty Darko it would be:
$58,026,451 (10 players under contract and/or cap holds)

We will want to figure out what to do with Beasley as soon as we can since he has a massive cap hold. If we flat out renounce him (thus denouncing his Bird right's) we would be at:
$46,001,757

This is good work on compiling the numbers, for sure. One thing, though. I think there is a real bias toward believing teams will free up as much cap space as possible, because it's fun to imagine making a play for a big free agent. In actuality, teams are more conservative.

In our case next year, I can see renouncing Tolly and waiving Miller, but I don't think we'll be amnestying Darko, waiving Webster or renouncing Beasley.

That leaves us with $74,644,529 in salary. The wild card here is Randolph. Somebody just wrote here the other day (sorry, don't remember who) that Kahn said in some kind of meet and greet that they were still really high on Randolph and that they thought with a different nutrition regimen and some good offseason coaching that he would still be a good talent to have on the roster. Personally, I don't see it. Seems to me that he's pretty expensive for a paperweight, unless he's worth something in trade. (But since he hasn't earned any playing time, I don't see how.) So let's hope we renounce his rights. That leaves us with $67,366,451.

I think.

[Devilzsidewalk]

would've been nice to make any sort of move to try and bolster the roster to try and sneak in the playoffs. They'll get bounced quick the first time they're there obviously, but thats why i wanted that to be this year. They could win 50 next season and they'd probably get housed in the first round just b/c they don't have that experience yet. Just wanted them to get their feet wet and have their goal for next season be the 2nd round of the playoffs instead of the 1st round. That was my thought anyways. Hopefully Lee can step up for some SG minutes I guess. Beasley I'm fine with, but he was the obvious trade chip to bolster the backcourt.

Ridnour/Barea
Webster/Ellington

just doesn't look very playoff-ish to me

[southern wolf]

If that Crawford deal was our only potential trade then I'm glad they didn't pull the trigger, but Kahn should have been a bit more aggressive in looking for a younger SG.

[horaceworthy]

would've been nice to make any sort of move to try and bolster the roster to try and sneak in the playoffs. They'll get bounced quick the first time they're there obviously, but thats why i wanted that to be this year. They could win 50 next season and they'd probably get housed in the first round just b/c they don't have that experience yet. Just wanted them to get their feet wet and have their goal for next season be the 2nd round of the playoffs instead of the 1st round. That was my thought anyways. Hopefully Lee can step up for some SG minutes I guess. Beasley I'm fine with, but he was the obvious trade chip to bolster the backcourt.

Ridnour/Barea
Webster/Ellington

just doesn't look very playoff-ish to me

Yeah, tonight was another example of why Luke can't be the only ballhandler on the floor during crunch time. The silver lining to the inactivity is that it significantly ups the chances Malcolm Lee gets some run this season. I'm not really getting my hopes up, but if there wasn't a move out there that would have significantly upped the chances at a playoff slot, it'll at least be nice to get a better look at an unknown quantity already on the roster.

I'm also fine with Beasley, but it would have been nice to use him to get an invite to the 1st round of the draft. I like him, I think he's one of the more interesting players in the NBA, and that clip of him and Tolliver gets me every time.

The only problem is that with both Beasley and Williams on the roster, it's going to take some creativity to establish consistent roles for both guys. I also have a tough time seeing him on the roster next year, but it's tough to get the image of just how happy the entire team was for him when he caught fire in that 4th quarter against the Clippers.

[Breakdown777]

Beasley with a DNP. It's not difficult to speculate how Adelman feels about him still being on this team.

[Yes We Kahn]

Beasley with a DNP. It's not difficult to speculate how Adelman feels about him still being on this team.

He was inactive because of his toe

[Worm Guts]

I thought trading Beasley for a pick would have hurt our playoff chances a little bit. They wanted us to take on salary for Crawford, which I wouldn't do. The only thing that I can see that we missed out on is Nick Young, but I hate Nick Young.

[[RCG]]

We could've been in the ballpark with Gerald Wallace for Miller + Tolliver + Utah 1st + Memphis 1st...

Ridnour/Barea
Webster/PG
Wallace/Johnson
Love/Williams
Pekovic/Milicic

That team can still compete for the final playoff spot and Wallace is the wing defender we desperately need.

[Worm Guts]

That's not even close to the Nets offering their pick with only top 3 protection, IMO