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IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:How much better would we be if we waived orton, signed turiaf and used ish instead of duhon?
What does that even mean? Otis Smith drops dime to improve the team all the time, he's shown that.BelgianMagic wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:How much better would we be if we waived orton, signed turiaf and used ish instead of duhon?
These 2 small moves alone would make us a lot better ..
Duhon is costing us GAMES, not only points or possessions ..
And Turiaf would be a real, servicable backup C. As in, not a PF out of position
Again, even these 2 small moves are VERY realistic, but as usual too good to be true knowing we have Otis Smith as GM
Blue_and_Whte wrote:What does that even mean? Otis Smith drops dime to improve the team all the time, he's shown that.
I agree about the waiving Orton for Turiaf though, Anytime you drop a player that gets 0 mins for a player that can contribute now is an upgrade. Is there a need, *shrug* Turiaf wouldn't have helped last night. How many mins would a back up center realistically get behind Dwight anyway. I wouldnt add anymore contracts this year if I were Otis. I think its a good move
Although I dislike Duhon nobody has seen Ish in a larger role he could be worse than Duhon at somethings (Defense, Scoring, Running the offense) It's easy to see these small sample sizes where he plays better than Duhon but that doesnt mean he'd be better in the big picture. Right now he doesnt really run complicated plays. His first game he got big mins (cant remember who that was against) he would bring the ball up and hand it off, otherwise he was playing street ball so to speak and improvising. I think in certain games he should play and Im not saying he wont learn Stans offense just saying right now as a full time back up he may not be as good as people think.
Last Guardian wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:What does that even mean? Otis Smith drops dime to improve the team all the time, he's shown that.
I agree about the waiving Orton for Turiaf though, Anytime you drop a player that gets 0 mins for a player that can contribute now is an upgrade. Is there a need, *shrug* Turiaf wouldn't have helped last night. How many mins would a back up center realistically get behind Dwight anyway. I wouldnt add anymore contracts this year if I were Otis. I think its a good move
Although I dislike Duhon nobody has seen Ish in a larger role he could be worse than Duhon at somethings (Defense, Scoring, Running the offense) It's easy to see these small sample sizes where he plays better than Duhon but that doesnt mean he'd be better in the big picture. Right now he doesnt really run complicated plays. His first game he got big mins (cant remember who that was against) he would bring the ball up and hand it off, otherwise he was playing street ball so to speak and improvising. I think in certain games he should play and Im not saying he wont learn Stans offense just saying right now as a full time back up he may not be as good as people think.
Agreed about waiving Orton and signing Turiaf.
As far as Smith....sample sizes may be small but even so, he has done a few things that Duhon never does. We have seen Ish drive and break down the defense, and dish it off for a dunk. He seems instinctively to want to push the ball up the floor. He is really athletic. And defensively I thought he challenged shots really well. Of course in the one game Pargo was still making the shots. If Ish was wearing a different jersey than Pargo would have bricked them.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Last Guardian wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:What does that even mean? Otis Smith drops dime to improve the team all the time, he's shown that.
I agree about the waiving Orton for Turiaf though, Anytime you drop a player that gets 0 mins for a player that can contribute now is an upgrade. Is there a need, *shrug* Turiaf wouldn't have helped last night. How many mins would a back up center realistically get behind Dwight anyway. I wouldnt add anymore contracts this year if I were Otis. I think its a good move
Although I dislike Duhon nobody has seen Ish in a larger role he could be worse than Duhon at somethings (Defense, Scoring, Running the offense) It's easy to see these small sample sizes where he plays better than Duhon but that doesnt mean he'd be better in the big picture. Right now he doesnt really run complicated plays. His first game he got big mins (cant remember who that was against) he would bring the ball up and hand it off, otherwise he was playing street ball so to speak and improvising. I think in certain games he should play and Im not saying he wont learn Stans offense just saying right now as a full time back up he may not be as good as people think.
Agreed about waiving Orton and signing Turiaf.
As far as Smith....sample sizes may be small but even so, he has done a few things that Duhon never does. We have seen Ish drive and break down the defense, and dish it off for a dunk. He seems instinctively to want to push the ball up the floor. He is really athletic. And defensively I thought he challenged shots really well. Of course in the one game Pargo was still making the shots. If Ish was wearing a different jersey than Pargo would have bricked them.
I'm willing to bet it's an issue with him not knowing the plays yet. He looks like he's freestyling out there which is never good once teams start clamping down defensively. Matter of fact he and Liggins get lost on both sides of the ball. I agree with you though, he brings things we need that Duhon doesnt provide. A training camp imo should solidify him as the back up pg. I'd imagine Liggins would benefit from a training camp as well. He looks too good defensively not to earn a spot.
The Real Dalic wrote:I don't understand why we have to throw this season away and wait for them to be ready next season, when they're already better than some of the rotation players now though.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:The Real Dalic wrote:I don't understand why we have to throw this season away and wait for them to be ready next season, when they're already better than some of the rotation players now though.
I think with more mins we'd see their flaws much like we do with Duhon. Does that make sense? We see a ton of Duhon so we see a ton of his bull. With Smith I'm sure we'd see why he doesnt get burn right now. I agree that he's better in some aspects than Duhon but probablly not as good in others....yet. If I had to guess I would say it's executing plays.
If Stan throws the guy in there as a full time back up expecting him to execute consistantly. He'll be setting the kid up for failure.
ChildishGambino wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:The Real Dalic wrote:I don't understand why we have to throw this season away and wait for them to be ready next season, when they're already better than some of the rotation players now though.
I think with more mins we'd see their flaws much like we do with Duhon. Does that make sense? We see a ton of Duhon so we see a ton of his bull. With Smith I'm sure we'd see why he doesnt get burn right now. I agree that he's better in some aspects than Duhon but probablly not as good in others....yet. If I had to guess I would say it's executing plays.
If Stan throws the guy in there as a full time back up expecting him to execute consistantly. He'll be setting the kid up for failure.
not buying it......for me personally that it
Blue_and_Whte wrote:The Real Dalic wrote:I don't understand why we have to throw this season away and wait for them to be ready next season, when they're already better than some of the rotation players now though.
I think with more mins we'd see their flaws much like we do with Duhon. Does that make sense? We see a ton of Duhon so we see a ton of his bull. With Smith I'm sure we'd see why he doesnt get burn right now. I agree that he's better in some aspects than Duhon but probablly not as good in others....yet. If I had to guess I would say it's executing plays.
If Stan throws the guy in there as a full time back up expecting him to execute consistantly. He'll be setting the kid up for failure.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:What does that even mean? Otis Smith drops dime to improve the team all the time, he's shown that.BelgianMagic wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:How much better would we be if we waived orton, signed turiaf and used ish instead of duhon?
These 2 small moves alone would make us a lot better ..
Duhon is costing us GAMES, not only points or possessions ..
And Turiaf would be a real, servicable backup C. As in, not a PF out of position
Again, even these 2 small moves are VERY realistic, but as usual too good to be true knowing we have Otis Smith as GM
I agree about the waiving Orton for Turiaf though, Anytime you drop a player that gets 0 mins for a player that can contribute now is an upgrade. Is there a need, *shrug* Turiaf wouldn't have helped last night. How many mins would a back up center realistically get behind Dwight anyway. I wouldnt add anymore contracts this year if I were Otis. I think its a good move
Although I dislike Duhon nobody has seen Ish in a larger role he could be worse than Duhon at somethings (Defense, Scoring, Running the offense) It's easy to see these small sample sizes where he plays better than Duhon but that doesnt mean he'd be better in the big picture. Right now he doesnt really run complicated plays. His first game he got big mins (cant remember who that was against) he would bring the ball up and hand it off, otherwise he was playing street ball so to speak and improvising. I think in certain games he should play and Im not saying he wont learn Stans offense just saying right now as a full time back up he may not be as good as people think.
ChildishGambino wrote:Still not buying it.....From my eye test every chance that Ish got he has taken advantage of and played well....What Duhon is doing right now isn't something that Ish Can't do.....Ish can't bring the ball past half court and pass it to someone else? From what i've seen Ish is miles better in the pick and roll than Duhon because of his raw speed....Better vision than Duhon and more athletic....Ish is simply more talented than Duhon is and it's obvious....but as you say it may be some unknown factors in play....but i'm not buying the "Not Ready" bull....
I mean if it was all about "Learning the System" then Big Baby would barely play and Earl would get Baby's minutes being that he's been here longer and knows the "System" better than Glen does....Why should the "Learn the System" excuse apply to Ish because he's new and yet Baby who's just as new allowed to be thrown into the fire? Because he's a "Veteran"? Because he's from the magical mystical Boston Celtics? naw man i'm not buying it....but that's just my opinion....
justanotherfan wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:The Real Dalic wrote:I don't understand why we have to throw this season away and wait for them to be ready next season, when they're already better than some of the rotation players now though.
I think with more mins we'd see their flaws much like we do with Duhon. Does that make sense? We see a ton of Duhon so we see a ton of his bull. With Smith I'm sure we'd see why he doesnt get burn right now. I agree that he's better in some aspects than Duhon but probablly not as good in others....yet. If I had to guess I would say it's executing plays.
If Stan throws the guy in there as a full time back up expecting him to execute consistantly. He'll be setting the kid up for failure.
Maybe not make them the back up right away but when your backup and starter are playing downright terrible and all hope is lost in the game its time to bring in the young guys and give them a shot see what their problems are in real games and not just practice.
CraZyPraiZ wrote:Are we watching the same games? You mean that we have people that can actually run a complicated play? I have seen enough of Duhon to know the guy is not a pg. Not even close. My daughter and I get a kick out of watching him dribble the ball off of his chest once a game. Or better yet watching him dribble it right into another players hands. It's a joke that he plays that position and I have no idea how. Ish at least can dribble the damn ball.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:ChildishGambino wrote:Still not buying it.....From my eye test every chance that Ish got he has taken advantage of and played well....What Duhon is doing right now isn't something that Ish Can't do.....Ish can't bring the ball past half court and pass it to someone else? From what i've seen Ish is miles better in the pick and roll than Duhon because of his raw speed....Better vision than Duhon and more athletic....Ish is simply more talented than Duhon is and it's obvious....but as you say it may be some unknown factors in play....but i'm not buying the "Not Ready" bull....
I mean if it was all about "Learning the System" then Big Baby would barely play and Earl would get Baby's minutes being that he's been here longer and knows the "System" better than Glen does....Why should the "Learn the System" excuse apply to Ish because he's new and yet Baby who's just as new allowed to be thrown into the fire? Because he's a "Veteran"? Because he's from the magical mystical Boston Celtics? naw man i'm not buying it....but that's just my opinion....
It's not about how long a player has been here because not all players are the same. Baby earned his pt, he's a vet that plays good defense his shot selection sucks but he rotates well and does a decent job 1on1. Earl doesnt even know what to do with the ball when he gets it.