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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#21 » by Julio » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:47 pm

slick_watts wrote:David Lee has been in the top ten in FG% the last few years, is one of the best rebounders in the league, etc.

I think he'd fit great next to a half decent center.


He's also IMO a worse defender than Green, has less shoot which means less spacing, and like I said, I would like to see Green paired with a good C to know really about him.
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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#22 » by slick_watts » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:18 pm

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slick_watts wrote:David Lee has been in the top ten in FG% the last few years, is one of the best rebounders in the league, etc.

I think he'd fit great next to a half decent center.


He's also IMO a worse defender than Green, has less shoot which means less spacing, and like I said, I would like to see Green paired with a good C to know really about him.


See I don't know about that. I think with a good, defensive minded coach David Lee could at least be average on defense. He's athletic and is a big energy guy, there's no reason why he couldn't be.

As the Knick fan said, David Lee has some range these days. It's not like Jeff Green is lighting up the score board from 20+ feet, either.
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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#23 » by Julio » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:03 pm

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slick_watts wrote:David Lee has been in the top ten in FG% the last few years, is one of the best rebounders in the league, etc.

I think he'd fit great next to a half decent center.


He's also IMO a worse defender than Green, has less shoot which means less spacing, and like I said, I would like to see Green paired with a good C to know really about him.


See I don't know about that. I think with a good, defensive minded coach David Lee could at least be average on defense. He's athletic and is a big energy guy, there's no reason why he couldn't be.

As the Knick fan said, David Lee has some range these days. It's not like Jeff Green is lighting up the score board from 20+ feet, either.


Of course.
But teams still respect his jumpshot and close on him; why he doesn't use that to drive more, I have no clue.
I'm not saying ( at least not now, you half-convinced me) that Lee would be a bad fit. I'm just saying breaking the bank on a semi-good fit IMO would be a bad idea. I would rather take that C we need so much, wait to see if Jeff meshes with him, and if not, trade Green for a true PF.
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Post#24 » by slick_watts » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:28 pm

I wouldn't break the bank on David Lee at all.. I don't think he's a realistic signing for that reason, he's going to get a lot of suitors.

But man, for a team that lacks high percentage offense and consistent defensive rebounding in the front court...
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Post#25 » by Julio » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:40 am

Ah damn, I think i'll actually focus on Lee exclusively in the next Knicks games I see, because I really don't see him as an offense changing type of guy. Mainly hustle, p&R, offensive boards.

Of course , with him , Durant, RW ( who's a good rebounder for a PG) and Haywood ( hopefully), our rebounding would be off the charts.. But we wouldn't get post offense points, and IMO, we need that badly.
Hence my dream of getting one of Scola/Landry.
It's actually interesting to know that Scola will be an FA next year, but I don't see himleaving the Rockets.
Kyle Lowry will be a FA I think, and he would a damn fine backup PG for us.
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Post#26 » by dream_catcher_9 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:28 pm

3 years later and Presti's plan is starting to become very clear.

We have the foundation in place, now its about fine tuning the engine and getting miles on the car. Can we go all the way and cross the finish line in 1st place with this type of car?
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Post#27 » by bbms » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:52 pm

dream_catcher_9 wrote:3 years later and Presti's plan is starting to become very clear.

We have the foundation in place, now its about fine tuning the engine and getting miles on the car. Can we go all the way and cross the finish line in 1st place with this type of car?

I don't believe in this.

I believe in strategy, head coaching and plan. Sticking with Brooks is a huge mistake, and "wait for the future" is another one. We were expecting our team play to improve from last year to this one, but we got worse. Durant is better, Westbrook is better, Harden is way better player to be a third option than Jeff Green. Right, our record is better. But our offense became even more simplistic, giving usage to the wrong players, and our defense sucks.

But I feel like we have talent to dominate. Thunder wins, but Thunder can't dominate. Thunder might end up winning championships with Scott Brooks, but I see the Thunder as a fragile team. We have talent but we don't really have a solid base. We have imo one of the best rosters in the league a great variety of role players, and it's shocking the amount of strategic flaws we have.

Bulls might never get past of Miami Heat in the east, but they overachieve because they have a good coach. Thunder is good but could be much better. Fire Brooks.
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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#28 » by yitur » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:01 pm

If OKC get a good coach this team would dominate, I mean right now you guys are just winning games by your star guys' talents.
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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#29 » by miltk » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 pm

dream_catcher_9 wrote:I think the only mistake he has made so far is passing on Rubio. Presti could have traded Westbrook and a 1st this year to SacTown for their 4th pick last year.

Rubio/Ollie/Weaver
Sefolosha/Harden
Durant
Green/Collison/Ibaka/White
Krstic/Thomas

yes please.


i think people are so unnaturally focused on westy's weakness that they forget what he brings. HE IS A BIG PLAY PLAYMAKER. in the process, they are also not seeing the big picture, which is how okc is progressing ON SCHEDULE each and every year. it's not dissimilar to all the talk about getting a d12, as if a big move is necessary to put okc on the very top. okc only needs small moves and thank goodness presti understands this.

btw,,,someone(i think maybe on the main board) said okc has an owner who is willing to pay up(read luxury tax) to keep everyone on board. is that true? awesome if it is. i don't claim to understand the financials of the nba at all.
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Post#30 » by OKCLouisiana » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:03 am

Yeah, it's true
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Re: Presti's plan 

Post#31 » by jambalaya » Wed Apr 4, 2012 1:55 am

I mostly agree with bbms.


Presti wanted a strong defensive team but he and Brooks let Westbrook, Harden and Durant get away from playing it hard all the time and they got used to it. I don't know if they get back to strong defense before they need it without 1-2 disappointing postseasons and / or a new Coach.

Presti wanted / wants ball movement like almost everyone but I wouldn't say he place much emphasis overall on getting guys who would / could pass the ball. They are near the very bottom on team assists and while that is significantly influenced by style of play, I would also say they have below average overall passing talent on the team, especially at the inside positions, which is more important than just for direct assists.

Presti has missed a number of opportunities and made several mistakes but he has made few errors than other GMs and his biggest moves have paid off good to great. Tanking brought draft riches. That is one of the biggest factors in his success and the team success, along with getting lucky to get Durant.

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