Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread III

[Raptor_Claw]

He had a better season than Valanciunas did, and he played on a team with a better record. So yes, he was the correct choice for MVP.

Forget Jonas, http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocu ... enumber=12

it just doesn't look like MVp stats to me. 0/8 3PT? Overall 25%... Just meh... Eurocup level seems to be the highest in years this season and him getting the MTV doesn't represent it in my opinion.

Still don't know how you decided that beverley "had a better season than Valanciunas did"

Maybe because I actually watched the games.

[ESTK]

He had a better season than Valanciunas did, and he played on a team with a better record. So yes, he was the correct choice for MVP.

Forget Jonas, http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocu ... enumber=12

it just doesn't look like MVp stats to me. 0/8 3PT? Overall 25%... Just meh... Eurocup level seems to be the highest in years this season and him getting the MTV doesn't represent it in my opinion.

Still don't know how you decided that beverley "had a better season than Valanciunas did"

Maybe because I actually watched the games.

what an argument, congrats

[Listas]

Beverley is Eurocup MVP, because his team had the best record.

Beverley deserved the MVP award, not Valanciunas. Eurocup was very fair and proper in their awards. Valanciunas deserved the first team selection and the rising star award, and he got both. Beverley was the guy that led and carried his team, not to mention his great defense, so he definitely easily deserved the MVP award.

Valanciunas got what he deserved. He would not be deserving of the MVP, even if his team had the same exact record. He was the second best player of Eurocup, after Beverley.

Are you kidding me? This scrub on average played 8 more minutes than Jonas, and in that time he scored 1.6 more points while shooting a laughable 41 % from the field (44.33 TS%), compared to Jonas 64 % (67.52 TS% - he also leads the league in this category). I could also mention that Jonas was 2nd in the league in both offensive and defensive rebounds, 4th in blocks. What is more, Jonas PER kept going up with each part of the season (12.2 Regular Season >>> 19.7 Last 16 >>> 22.5 Quarter Finals) as oppose to Beverley having a huge drop between the Last 16 and the Quarter Finals (19.3 >>> 11) - choked when it mattered the most. But the most telling stat of all is the PER adjusted to 40 min (Valanciunas 27.98; Beverley 21.09), which shows that the only reason Beverley got the MVP is because they thought Jonas was too young for it.


#justthefacts

[HSOB SIRHC]

Found this on youtube. Very long highlight video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBKPl6biP5M[/youtube]

[Los Manos]

Found this on youtube. Very long highlight video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBKPl6biP5M[/youtube]

I just posted this as a topic. I finally got it up after posters here requested an extended highlight reel following the 7 min one I did.

[Raptor_Claw]

Beverley is Eurocup MVP, because his team had the best record.

Beverley deserved the MVP award, not Valanciunas. Eurocup was very fair and proper in their awards. Valanciunas deserved the first team selection and the rising star award, and he got both. Beverley was the guy that led and carried his team, not to mention his great defense, so he definitely easily deserved the MVP award.

Valanciunas got what he deserved. He would not be deserving of the MVP, even if his team had the same exact record. He was the second best player of Eurocup, after Beverley.

Are you kidding me? This scrub on average played 8 more minutes than Jonas, and in that time he scored 1.6 more points while shooting a laughable 41 % from the field (44.33 TS%), compared to Jonas 64 % (67.52 TS% - he also leads the league in this category). I could also mention that Jonas was 2nd in the league in both offensive and defensive rebounds, 4th in blocks. What is more, Jonas PER kept going up with each part of the season (12.2 Regular Season >>> 19.7 Last 16 >>> 22.5 Quarter Finals) as oppose to Beverley having a huge drop between the Last 16 and the Quarter Finals (19.3 >>> 11) - choked when it mattered the most. But the most telling stat of all is the PER adjusted to 40 min (Valanciunas 27.98; Beverley 21.09), which shows that the only reason Beverley got the MVP is because they thought Jonas was too young for it.


#justthefacts

The Eurocup MVP is not and never has been an award based on stats. It is given to the player that is most valuable to his team. That was not Valanciunas.

The MVP award is not given based off stats. They didn't give the previous MVP awards to the guy with the prettiest stats, so why would this one be different? Are you suggesting they totally change the criteria of the award simply to accommodate Valanciunas?

Sorry, but I don't think so. Valanciunas was the #2 Eurocup player and Beverely was the #1. The award was given exactly as it should have been. Are you guys going to moan and gripe and complain this much if Lietuvos Rytas fails to win the Eurocup and Valanciunas wasn't given MVP, even though he had the best stats?

I can already see the, "they should have made an exception to the criteria that the Finals MVP goes to someone from the winning team, just so Jonas could get it".

[Fairview4Life]

I believe he's suggesting that a subjective opinion of the voters as to who was the most "valuable" should have taken stats into account. A guy with a 44% TS% winning an MVP award should be questioned. Not even Bill Russell's shooting stats were that awful.

[sewerfrosh]

In a different direction, couldn't help but see Mr Clarence Weems at the game tonight, could maybe one of our Bloggers get hold of Mr Weems and ask him his thoughts on JV ? He played in the same league, played against him a few times, might he not have an opinion or some insight into what we might expect next year from our rookie ?

[ballislife]

In a different direction, couldn't help but see Mr Clarence Weems at the game tonight, could maybe one of our Bloggers get hold of Mr Weems and ask him his thoughts on JV ? He played in the same league, played against him a few times, might he not have an opinion or some insight into what we might expect next year from our rookie ?

Devlin talked about it during the game. He said he spoke to Weems about Valanciunas, because obviously Weems knows the situation with JV here, and they both played against each other in Lithuania. Weems basically said JV's a beast... he's still young, but he dunks on people and basically owns the floor. Not sure exactly what was said, but it was definitely something along those lines.

[sewerfrosh]

Thanks, would be interesting to learn a little more, not sure if Lithuanian league is like the D-league more of a point guard driven league it seems like Rytas has Rice running the point and from what I gather he doesn't play the Bigs as well as one could. Is his potential even greater witha good point guard or at least a pass first guard.

[Yoga]

I love you, Jonas

[Yoga]

Found this on youtube. Very long highlight video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBKPl6biP5M[/youtube]

Thanks

[UcanUwill]

Well, Patrick Beverley was a bad choice, period. Not saying Jonas is MVP, but Beverly selection is just bad.
He had one of the worst FG%s on his own team, and he was not even top 4 in PER, but look at his minutes played. Very Rice like stats.
The best thing of his game is low TOs, but he definitely did not had better season than you know who.

His efficiency was not even close, yet he played 32 minutes per game. His USG% is way higher than his PER, 27 to 20. Course, most players has higher USG, but not Jonas, 25 and 29.

Beverley averaged 4.7 3point attempts, which is ridiculous, and his PPS was just 1.28. That is Donut's standards, horrible.
Compare to Jonas' 0 3point attempts, but 1.72 PPS... see the difference?

Defense argument is also weird, since Jonas is an anchor C, and he had at least few Chandler like games, like the one against BC Donetsk or against Le Mans.

[Darknemo2000]

The Eurocup MVP is not and never has been an award based on stats. It is given to the player that is most valuable to his team. That was not Valanciunas.

The MVP award is not given based off stats. They didn't give the previous MVP awards to the guy with the prettiest stats, so why would this one be different? Are you suggesting they totally change the criteria of the award simply to accommodate Valanciunas?

Sorry, but I don't think so. Valanciunas was the #2 Eurocup player and Beverely was the #1. The award was given exactly as it should have been. Are you guys going to moan and gripe and complain this much if Lietuvos Rytas fails to win the Eurocup and Valanciunas wasn't given MVP, even though he had the best stats?

I can already see the, "they should have made an exception to the criteria that the Finals MVP goes to someone from the winning team, just so Jonas could get it".

What kind of nonsense you are talking about?

Jonas is even more valuable to his team than Beverley. Have you you seen the game without Jonas and Beverly? Without Jonas Rytas collapses on both ends of the floor, without Beverly Spartak does not. Beverly played pretty badly in last games and spartak still drove away.

Its just for his team Jonas is much more valuable than Beverly is for his. Without Jonas everything collapses, without Beverly it does not. I mean Jonas collects fouls and Rytas without Jonas are loosing to Kedainiai team in lithuania who are in a deep middletier of Lithuania. With Jonas on the bench (and then getting quick fouls) from +18 Lead against Zalgiris, game eventually ends up in a loss...

I would understand if Beverly would have been playing some great games to push his team to semis but he was not. In fact he played pretty crappy compared to how he used to play before. On the other hand if Jonas had a bad game himself then most likely there would be no Rytas in Semi's.

Really in terms of stats AND the importance to the team Jonas is far superior to Beverly. What one can argue is that Spartak is a stronger team, but frankly thats not convincing as Rytas is in the semi's anyway.

[UcanUwill]

Darknemo2000 great post, absolutely agree. Look at Patrick's quarterfinals stats. He absolutely collapsed during biggest game of the season, 1/11 FG : 0/8 3PT : 0 assists in 29 minutes... He is not even the main reason why his team reached final staged, end of story.
Cant even imagine what is in guys head when he says Beverley had a better season. Its a joke. If you replace Rice with Beverley, I would say it is not that much of an upgrade actually.

If you familiar with raptor_claw posts, his only mission is to demote NBA and promote European basketball, no matter how hypocritical it goes. If Jonas was loyal european and Beverley was upcoming NBA prospect, I am pretty sure he was promoting Jonas right now. Most of his post are like that.

[Regulio]

Haters gonna hate you know

[ESTK]

They didn't give the previous MVP awards to the guy with the prettiest stats, so why would this one be different?

Eidson
http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocu ... code=U2008

[Al_Oliver]

I believe he's suggesting that a subjective opinion of the voters as to who was the most "valuable" should have taken stats into account. A guy with a 44% TS% winning an MVP award should be questioned. Not even Bill Russell's shooting stats were that awful.

Few rebounded or blocked shots like Russell either

[raptor21_85]

Im okay with that.. Idk who is Beverly cause I dont follow at all that league.. but Im sure that if Big V played his whole career for Rytas, he would collect several MVP awards.. I mean, hes only 19
OTOH, I really want him to win ROY next season when he comes over

[UcanUwill]

You dont know Beverley? He is good friend of Weems. Was killing 2010 summer league for Miami Heat, but they cut him, it was surprising, people talked about it. NBA GMs knows him, so I think he may be back one day.