Hey Spo supporters..answer me these 3 questions

[Pimpwerx]

Spo turned the 15 win team around? Here I thought it was Wade being a 30 PER player (Lebron level) for an extra 1000 minutes

He has only won series that he was favored in. Who cares if he hasn't gotten swept yet? What does that mean? You said he got to the finals the one year he had a team good enough to get there, but he had a team good enough to win it all not just get to the finals. Its not his fault we lost but he did contribute to it.

We didn't lose to the Mavs because of Spo but we also didn't beat the Bulls/Celtics because of him either.

He gets too much credit when we win and too much flak when we lose.

Wade didn't turn the team around. The notion that players carry teams is ludicrous and is disproven time and time again with talented teams that underachieve. It's not 1-on-5, and Wade's supporting cast was terrible. It's largely why they only won 15 games the season before.

What do you want from Spo? Winning records with crappy rosters. Playoff appearances despite the team being in tank mode. Has the respect of 3 diva superstars and got them to buy into his defensive philosophy. Coached the team to the Finals when we conveniently forget everyone doubted we could get past Boston and Chicago. Has seen his teams improve from year to year.

I mean, it's not like the Heat has gotten any worse under Spo, it's only gotten better. The O and D ratings I posted spell that out. Why are you complaining about a guy who has only been a winning coach and has only improved in his short tenure? Why are you so ready to diminish his influence on this team when the record of this team suggests that he was a catalyst in its turnaround? Like I said, you guys are unappreciative and must forget when this team was actually bad. We have a good coach. It must suck to have that kind of certainty on your favorite team, but I like it. PEACE.

[DefenseWins]

Wade didn't turn the team around. The notion that players carry teams is ludicrous and is disproven time and time again with talented teams that underachieve. It's not 1-on-5, and Wade's supporting cast was terrible. It's largely why they only won 15 games the season before.

LeBron does not agree. And neither do the Cavs... especially last year's Cavs.

[Pimpwerx]

You're blaming the offense on Wade/Lebron/Bosh? They are the reason our offense is any good. When has Spo shown he can create a good offense without superstars?

And our teams in the early years had plenty of defensive talent. It wasn't all Spo. Unless you think Spo is a much better defensive coach than Riley?

I also agree that we beat teams last year that we were supposed to lose to. That's a blatant misrepresentation. We were favored against every team. We were the overall favorite. What team did we beat that we were supposed to lost to? We were supposed to beat all of those teams and the Mavs too.

The differences between Spo and Coughlin is that Coughlin won it all and didn't have the best talent in the league. Coughlin was also successful with other teams. Plus coaching matters more in football and superstars matter more in basketball.

I'm not blaming anyone. Unlike you, I'm not playing the lame blame game. Every team loses some games. **** happens. Every team goes into slumps. **** **** happens. This team had the killer pace and space early and was the #1 halfcourt offense just in early March. THIS SAME TEAM WITH THIS SAME COACH *gasp*.

Spo may not have coached great offense without superstars, but not many coaches do. What he did do was coach a Top10 defense out of scrubs, and that was sufficient to give him two straight playoff appearances with winning records. It allowed him to only coach 12 games in 3 years where his team has a losing record. OFFENSE ISN'T EVERYTHING. Get over your obsession and understand he's plenty good enough with offense and awesome with defense.

Spo might be a better defensive coach than Riley. He's only in his 3rd season, but look how quickly he got the team from the 26th defense to the 11th with little more than Wade's return. In his first 3 seasons, I'd wager he is statistically a better defensive coach, but I don't have the stats to back that up.

We weren't favored against all teams, the same as this year. I think we were favorites last year, and I think the same thing this season, but that's my optimism. There is more than enough pessimism regarding this team (a lot of it eminating from this forum) that I don't need to point it out. If we're favored to beat everyone, then the pessimism (and thus the stupid complaints about Spo) are unwarranted. I mean...we're just gonna Big3 everyone to death, right? **** Spo, amirite?

Coughlin was criticized before he won anything. Don't try any rewrite history here. Coughlin was been bashed from Day1 in Gotham. And unless we forget, he had 3 straight losing seasons before he was fired from JVille. Don't act like he walked into NYC with a sparkling resume. He was run out of Jacksonville, and even after winning his first Superbowl, the Giants fans still wanted him fired. The Post was calling for his firing just this season. I mean, the guy's job will be under fire again next year. Some guys just can't win, regardless of merit, and Spo is one of those guys. You guys are ignoring the facts and riding the hate you've had for the guy since he was hired.

I didn't like the hire at first, and I was skeptical at the start of last season too. But the guy has more than earned my respect. I'm not sure what else he could do other than win the championship, and even then you would be clamoring for Riley to replace him. PEACE.

[GreenHat]

Spo turned the 15 win team around? Here I thought it was Wade being a 30 PER player (Lebron level) for an extra 1000 minutes

He has only won series that he was favored in. Who cares if he hasn't gotten swept yet? What does that mean? You said he got to the finals the one year he had a team good enough to get there, but he had a team good enough to win it all not just get to the finals. Its not his fault we lost but he did contribute to it.

We didn't lose to the Mavs because of Spo but we also didn't beat the Bulls/Celtics because of him either.

He gets too much credit when we win and too much flak when we lose.

Wade didn't turn the team around. The notion that players carry teams is ludicrous and is disproven time and time again with talented teams that underachieve. It's not 1-on-5, and Wade's supporting cast was terrible. It's largely why they only won 15 games the season before.

What do you want from Spo? Winning records with crappy rosters. Playoff appearances despite the team being in tank mode. Has the respect of 3 diva superstars and got them to buy into his defensive philosophy. Coached the team to the Finals when we conveniently forget everyone doubted we could get past Boston and Chicago. Has seen his teams improve from year to year.

I mean, it's not like the Heat has gotten any worse under Spo, it's only gotten better. The O and D ratings I posted spell that out. Why are you complaining about a guy who has only been a winning coach and has only improved in his short tenure? Why are you so ready to diminish his influence on this team when the record of this team suggests that he was a catalyst in its turnaround? Like I said, you guys are unappreciative and must forget when this team was actually bad. We have a good coach. It must suck to have that kind of certainty on your favorite team, but I like it. PEACE.

Those teams were not terrible. For one they had Wade playing at a Lebron level. Teams with a guy playing at a Lebron level are generally really good. Just look at Lebron in Cleveland. How many teams with a player that good were worse than us that year? Wade was way better that season and he played an EXTRA 1000 minutes. Are you really saying Spo had more impact than Wade playing an extra 1000 minutes and playing at a Lebron level rather than a sub-Wade level? Wade was not up to his usual level of play that previous season and you know that.

Also if you are attributing the turnaround mainly to Spo, that means Spo has to be a much better coach than that old guy we used to have Riley.

How are Lebron, Wade and Bosh divas? Have they had huge problems with other coaches? No they are easy to coach. Its not like he is trying to get Kobe/Carmelo/Stoudamire to co-exist. Our guys are willing passers and are easy to coach.

Again the fallacy that we were "supposed to" lose to the Celtics and Bulls has got to stop. We were favored in both series. I'm almost sure that you picked us in both series. We were favored against the Mavs too. Where are you getting that "everyone" had us losing to these teams? We were the overall favorites for the whole playoffs.

And how have we improved? You used Ortg and Drtg ranks to show we have the other years. Last year we were 3rd and 5th. This year we are 5th and 4th. Not really an improvement, especially when we have the talent to be 1st and 1st.

Like I said I disagree that we improve every year (we really haven't this year going by the metric you used) and that Spo has shown to be the catalyst for the turnaround. It seems entirely superstar driven. Wade plays less than 2000 mins at a 21 PER then the next season he plays 3000+ minutes at a 30+ PER. That's a way bigger difference than Spo (plus they got rid of big minute scrubs like Ricky Davis, Jwill and Blount , those teams really weren't similar at all). They take another jump when they add two more superstars. This is player driven.

As I said Spo gets too much blame when we lose and too much credit when we win. It's a players league.

[GreenHat]

You're blaming the offense on Wade/Lebron/Bosh? They are the reason our offense is any good. When has Spo shown he can create a good offense without superstars?

And our teams in the early years had plenty of defensive talent. It wasn't all Spo. Unless you think Spo is a much better defensive coach than Riley?

I also agree that we beat teams last year that we were supposed to lose to. That's a blatant misrepresentation. We were favored against every team. We were the overall favorite. What team did we beat that we were supposed to lost to? We were supposed to beat all of those teams and the Mavs too.

The differences between Spo and Coughlin is that Coughlin won it all and didn't have the best talent in the league. Coughlin was also successful with other teams. Plus coaching matters more in football and superstars matter more in basketball.

I'm not blaming anyone. Unlike you, I'm not playing the lame blame game. Every team loses some games. **** happens. Every team goes into slumps. **** **** happens. This team had the killer pace and space early and was the #1 halfcourt offense just in early March. THIS SAME TEAM WITH THIS SAME COACH *gasp*.

Spo may not have coached great offense without superstars, but not many coaches do. What he did do was coach a Top10 defense out of scrubs, and that was sufficient to give him two straight playoff appearances with winning records. It allowed him to only coach 12 games in 3 years where his team has a losing record. OFFENSE ISN'T EVERYTHING. Get over your obsession and understand he's plenty good enough with offense and awesome with defense.

Spo might be a better defensive coach than Riley. He's only in his 3rd season, but look how quickly he got the team from the 26th defense to the 11th with little more than Wade's return. In his first 3 seasons, I'd wager he is statistically a better defensive coach, but I don't have the stats to back that up.

We weren't favored against all teams, the same as this year. I think we were favorites last year, and I think the same thing this season, but that's my optimism. There is more than enough pessimism regarding this team (a lot of it eminating from this forum) that I don't need to point it out. If we're favored to beat everyone, then the pessimism (and thus the stupid complaints about Spo) are unwarranted. I mean...we're just gonna Big3 everyone to death, right? **** Spo, amirite?

Coughlin was criticized before he won anything. Don't try any rewrite history here. Coughlin was been bashed from Day1 in Gotham. And unless we forget, he had 3 straight losing seasons before he was fired from JVille. Don't act like he walked into NYC with a sparkling resume. He was run out of Jacksonville, and even after winning his first Superbowl, the Giants fans still wanted him fired. The Post was calling for his firing just this season. I mean, the guy's job will be under fire again next year. Some guys just can't win, regardless of merit, and Spo is one of those guys. You guys are ignoring the facts and riding the hate you've had for the guy since he was hired.

I didn't like the hire at first, and I was skeptical at the start of last season too. But the guy has more than earned my respect. I'm not sure what else he could do other than win the championship, and even then you would be clamoring for Riley to replace him. PEACE.

I literally said in the other post you quoted that Spo wasn't the reason we lost to the Mavs and that he gets too much blame when we lose. How is that playing the "lame blame game".

You on the other hand did blame those guys for our offense. They have all been centerpieces of top 5 offenses without Spo. Now all together they are a top 5 offense. How is that a mark in his favor? All three of them have anchored a top 5 offense by themselves. Bottom line is we are 5th in offense with all three of them.

My obsession with offense? I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm literally the opposite because I see offense as having a higher variance. And those "scrubs" included a lot of good defensive players. Wade, Haslem, Anthony, Marion, JO, Chalmers, Qrich, Dorrell. Especially compared to guys like Ricky Davis, Mark Blount and Jwill. And again if you are saying the change is coaching and not players then you are saying Spo is a much better coach than Riley. I totally disagree with that.

And you keep saying that the only change was "the return of Wade" but that is BS. Wade came back way better and played 1000 more minutes. Ricky Davis played 3000 less minutes. Blount played 1500 less minutes. JWILL played 1900 less minutes. They added Chalmers, Beasley, Marion/JO (not at same time) and an extra 1000 minutes of Wade instead of d-league guys. How can you say these teams were similar?

We were favorites last year and this year because of our talent, not because of your optimism. We have the most talent in the league. If we had a better coach we would be even heavier favorites. My only complaint about Spo is he isn't near the best coach in the league. Since we have the best talent in the league already and there is a salary cap on players we should be able to have the best team in the league and coaching is one way for us to improve.

I'm not rewriting history. Coughlin did have a couple of 11 win seasons along with a 14 win season in Jacksonville. I don't care what some idiot fans or writers think, I've always had him as a good coach. And he did that without an overwhelming talent advantage. And as I said coaching matters more in football and superstars matter more in basketball. If he had as much of an advantage in talent as Spo has he would have a near perfect season. Coughlin has more "merit" than Spo.

I have no hate for Spo. I have said he was an above average coach many times, including in response to you saying I hated him. It seems you are the one ignoring facts because you are trying to say those teams when he first took over were the same as the 15 win team when they aren't really close to being the same at all.

I don't want Riley to replace him either so again I have no idea who you are mistaking me for. And again the bottom line is he didn't actually win a championship as of yet, even though he had the best talent in the league and was favored to. As I said in a previous post I don't blame him for the loss but he did contribute to it.

[HIF]

Again a wall of writing with your latest stance. None of the players are bad, 3 are super good, the coach is above average.

What's the problem then?

you blame the coaching and you blame several of the players but now they are all above average.

Yet when they lose you critisize the coach and players!!!

Strange.

[GreenHat]

Again a wall of writing with your latest stance. None of the players are bad, 3 are super good, the coach is above average.

What's the problem then?

you blame the coaching and you blame several of the players but now they are all above average.

Yet when they lose you critisize the coach and players!!!

Strange.

HIF please get that reader. I seriously will pay someone minimum wage to sit there and read posts to you. That's how frustrating your lack of comprehension is.

We are obviously a way above average team. We have the most talent in the league so just above average isn't good enough.

We should be the best team in the league. That's the problem. We didn't win it all last year as heavy favorites. This year we are 4th in SRS. We should be better than we are.

I guess you are just a hater and don't think we should be the best team in the league. I guess you're just not a FAN.

Yes our talent and coaching are both above average (not each individual player, don't be stupid). We have the best talent in the league so what is dragging us down if our coach is also one of the best in the league?

I have said Spo is slightly above average but between him and the players its clear which is the weaker link.

Once again I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I think he is above average but he is relatively weaker than our players

[HIF]

Once again I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I think he is above average but he is relatively weaker than our players

Once again you are saying a great load of nothing and taking acres of post space to do it.

The Heat don't have the most talented team in the league. They have two of the most talented players but certainly not the most talented team.

one simple example.

Spurs have a far better team and they have 3 of the most talented players in the league.

I'd suggest that they if we put the spurs and Heat players together that the spurs would have at least 10 of the top 13 talented players in the list.

(the Lakers, the thunder and others also have 3 of the most talented players in the league and would also come out with far more players in the top 12 of a combined list).

A question for you.

Is Pops better than his players?

And what difference does it make? Every team either the coaches or the players are going to be weaker if you could actually do a comparison - which in your universe you can.

Apples and Oranges.

[GreenHat]

Once again I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I think he is above average but he is relatively weaker than our players

Once again you are saying a great load of nothing and taking acres of post space to do it.

The Heat don't have the most talented team in the league. They have two of the most talented players but certainly not the most talented team.

one simple example.

Spurs have a far better team and they have 3 of the most talented players in the league.

I'd suggest that they if we put the spurs and Heat players together that the spurs would have at least 10 of the top 13 talented players in the list.

(the Lakers, the thunder and others also have 3 of the most talented players in the league and would also come out with far more players in the top 12 of a combined list).

A question for you.

Is Pops better than his players?

And what difference does it make? Every team either the coaches or the players are going to be weaker if you could actually do a comparison - which in your universe you can.

Apples and Oranges.

So if the Spurs have better players than us (according to you) and a better coach (according to you previously) what chance do we have against them?

As a FAN I think we have more talent than the Spurs but they have a better coach.

Also no one seems to agree with you that the Spurs have better players than us (just the coach part).

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It looks like pretty much everyone disagrees with you. We have more talent. Only a hater would think otherwise.

Spurs have a far better team and they have 3 of the most talented players in the league.

You really think Manu has been one of the most talented players in the league this year? He played 34 games this year and only 23 mins a game. He's put up 13/3/4 . Do you even watch basketball?

[HIF]

So the experts are the bookmakers.

You clearly don't understand how bookmakers work.

If I went and put $1bn on the Celtics to win the title they would become the favourites with the bookmakers.

You act like an 8 year old with your "Heat are favourites because the media say so" grow some balls, so that you can make a decision yourself.

Ginobli has a 24.2 PER and multiple rings - I'd stop writing walls of text to cover your ignorance if I were you.

As a fan I hope we can win and believe we can win if our team plays at it's best but I'm not gullible enough to think we are the best team in the NBA at the moment. We were the best team for a run of games before the All Star Break but we haven't played anywhere near that level since. We need Bron , Wade and Bosh to be playing near their best to win the championship this season.

[Heat_team02]

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