2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (2-0 OKC)

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Who wins this series and in how many?

Thunder in 4
20
7%
Thunder in 5
39
14%
Thunder in 6
68
25%
Thunder in 7
37
13%
Mavs in 4
5
2%
Mavs in 5
2
1%
Mavs in 6
57
21%
Mavs in 7
49
18%
 
Total votes: 277

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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (1-0 OKC) 

Post#1241 » by DRose4MVP » Tue May 1, 2012 7:21 am

JimboSlice wrote:I'm really not seeing how Dallas is complaining about not getting calls.

There's a correlation between free-throw attempts and points in the paint. OKC was 10th in points in the paint and 2nd in free throw attempts. Dallas 25th in points in the paint and 26th in free throw attempts.

Can you really expect to not shoot less free throws than a team when you're getting less shot attempts at the rim?

And all this talk about a jumpshooting team... Dallas was frikkin 25th in points in the paint! Why has this not been brought up?


Why should it matter where both teams rank on the season for points in the paint when we are comparing free throws shot in this game? :-?

In THIS game the Mavs had more points in the paint by far which should usually mean they would shoot alot more free throws. That wasn't the case.
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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (1-0 OKC) 

Post#1242 » by [GR] » Tue May 1, 2012 7:22 am

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dream_catcher_9 wrote:
DRose4MVP wrote:The 2012 NBA Finals will feature the Miami Heat vs the OKC Thunder in a best of 7 horse match from the free throw line. How exciting!


I thought both games this year were exciting, especially the 98-93 Miami win @ Miami.


Miami OKC might have been the best regular season series in the NBA this year.


The first game was crap.
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Post#1243 » by dhh2h » Tue May 1, 2012 7:23 am

Really sucks that the Mavs were 5 points away from leading 2-0 going back to Dallas
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Post#1244 » by Jajwanda » Tue May 1, 2012 7:31 am

If you're talking about foul calls there's a pretty big disparity between 40-18 in the paint despite the constant hacking from OKC. That's a very bad sign for OKC in Dallas.
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Post#1245 » by DRose4MVP » Tue May 1, 2012 7:37 am

Does anyone know a site that shows the points in the paint on the box score for each NBA game?
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Post#1246 » by chaoz » Tue May 1, 2012 8:01 am

JimboSlice wrote:

MigrainePatrol wrote:

OKC_is_my_city wrote:Nice flop by dirk.



Not a flop, Fisher is a strong little bull dog. Just gave Dirk a nice shove rather than let him finish.

To think of it, Dirk is probably the only superstar that doesn't flop often or if at all. Find me some footage of Dirk flopping to prove me wrong. There's ridiculous footage of guys flopping against Dirk. Kirilenko, Wade, etc....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaiMkP2wOVg


:o

I can't stand the amount of flopping going on in the NBA, but that wasn't a flop. That's someone trying really hard not to fall
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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (1-0 OKC) 

Post#1247 » by HotrodBeaubois » Tue May 1, 2012 8:07 am

DRose4MVP wrote:Does anyone know a site that shows the points in the paint on the box score for each NBA game?



Game 1 @ OKC
Dal 102 OKC 104
Dal 36 Pts in Paint
OKC 36 Pts in Paint
Dal 21 FTA
OKC 32 FTA

Game 2 @ Dal
Dal 100 OKC 87
Dal 56 Pts in Paint
OKC 42 Pts in Paint
Dal 20 FTA
OKC 26 FTA

Game 3 @ Dal
Dal 86 OKC 95
Dal 38 Pts in Paint
OKC 42 Pts in Paint
Dal 25 FTA
OKC 33 FTA

Game 4 @ OKC
Dal 91 OKC 95
Dal 38 Pts in Paint
OKC 28 Pts in Paint
Dal 10 FTA
OKC 33 FTA

Game 1 Playoffs @ OKC
Dal 98 OKC 99
Dal 32 Pts in Paint
OKC 44 Pts in Paint
Dal 25 FTA
OKC 20 FTA

Game 2 Playoffs @ OKC
Dal 99 OKC 102
Dal 40 Pts in Paint
OKC 18 Pts in Paint
Dal 32 FTA
OKC 39 FTA

Espn.com Boxscores shows them . Just go to the teams schedule and click onto box scores.

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx
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Post#1248 » by DRose4MVP » Tue May 1, 2012 8:08 am

Dirk does throw his arms up to dramatize the foul call sometimes, but he doesn't flop alot like other stars. I think alot of the times it looks like Dirk is flopping because we aren't used to seeing a guy Dirk's size putting the ball on the floor and driving the way he does, so it does look a bit different or uncordinated, although it isn't.

Anyways, that video... No flop. He got fouled and was in between falling down and trying to stay up and he couldn't catch his balance. The Rockets announcers are such homers though they made it seem like it was one of the biggest flops they have ever seen.
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Post#1249 » by Jajwanda » Tue May 1, 2012 8:11 am

If you can frustrate Westbrook the series could change dramatically. I'm not sure Dallas has figured out who its best defender is on the guy.
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Post#1250 » by Juan Montoya » Tue May 1, 2012 10:53 am

How about putting Roddy on Westbrook. He seems to be the fastest in lateral movements
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Post#1251 » by kurtkbain » Tue May 1, 2012 12:42 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4vjhmcpYc[/youtube]


Ok, I know we didn't lose because of the refs, but where is the foul??
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Post#1252 » by benjamink15 » Tue May 1, 2012 12:58 pm

Some of you see things through some specially designed goggles. You are seriously talking about the Thunder going to the line when Dallas had a parade there? In the Third Q, Dallas was in the Bonus after 3 minutes elapsed. Are you **** kidding me? Lol you guys see the # of times OKC went to the line (which included some intentional fouls nonetheless) and you bitch and moan about superstar calls.

I see some questionable calls going OKC's way but i see just as many if not more on Dallas' side. You guys need to take off the blinders and start watching these games without an agenda in mind. The freethrow disparity was non-existent but the way some of you talk you'd think that the Thunder had like 20 more FTs than the Mavs.
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Post#1253 » by Ozark » Tue May 1, 2012 1:32 pm

So let's look at the numbers behind this officiating that is making Jim Carrey poo his pants :

1st you have to consider that there have been 3 clear intentional fouls in the series, all committed by the Mavs, resulting in 6 FTA's for the Thunder. Those need to be deducted from the totals to show how the series is really being officiated.

So we have through 2 games, on OKC's home floor, with OKC being a team that typically shoots many more FT's per game than the Mavs due to style of play :

Fouls called on OKC : 50
Fouls called on Dallas (not counting 3 clear intentionals) : 43
FTA's by OKC not given to them on purpose by Dallas : 53
FTA's by Dallas, none given intentionally : 57

If anyone has a complaint, it's OKC fans, but we won't, because that's what whiny losers do. I just wish Jim Carrey would shut up.

Even during the regular season, we would joke about if there was any scenario under which Dallas could lose a game without crying about the officiating, and other fanbases agreed.

Before the series, Dallas fans gave numbers similar to those above to show how OKC gets love from the officials when playing them. By those standards, what do you have to say for yourself now?

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Post#1254 » by BmanInBigD » Tue May 1, 2012 1:50 pm

Ozark wrote:So let's look at the numbers behind this officiating that is making Jim Carrey poo his pants :

1st you have to consider that there have been 3 clear intentional fouls in the series, all committed by the Mavs, resulting in 6 FTA's for the Thunder. Those need to be deducted from the totals to show how the series is really being officiated.

So we have through 2 games, on OKC's home floor, with OKC being a team that typically shoots many more FT's per game than the Mavs due to style of play :

Fouls called on OKC : 50
Fouls called on Dallas (not counting 3 clear intentionals) : 43
FTA's by OKC not given to them on purpose by Dallas : 53
FTA's by Dallas, none given intentionally : 57

If anyone has a complaint, it's OKC fans, but we won't, because that's what whiny losers do. I just wish Jim Carrey would shut up.

Even during the regular season, we would joke about if there was any scenario under which Dallas could lose a game without crying about the officiating, and other fanbases agreed.

Before the series, Dallas fans gave numbers similar to those above to show how OKC gets love from the officials when playing them. By those standards, what do you have to say for yourself now?

Try to lose graciously. It's part of good sportsmanship.

Watch the damn game. Quit looking at numbers.
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Post#1255 » by Spanish_Laker » Tue May 1, 2012 2:03 pm

The Mavs could have been up 2-0 in the series if they had played better down the stretch. Anyway, OKC gave their best to win both games on a 2 pt differential at home, so I fully expect the Mavericks to blow them out in at least one game in Texas.
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Post#1256 » by Bravely Done » Tue May 1, 2012 2:22 pm

Spanish_Laker wrote:The Mavs could have been up 2-0 in the series if they had played better down the stretch. Anyway, OKC gave their best to win both games on a 2 pt differential at home, so I fully expect the Mavericks to blow them out in at least one game in Texas.


Lakers fans feel threatened. Wont be surprised to see a series sweep at this point.



I don't remember OKC being blown out all season.
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Post#1257 » by SweetTouch » Tue May 1, 2012 2:29 pm

Smh at the mavs tryin to lose the first two games.

They look done with this season

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Post#1258 » by BlueDawn » Tue May 1, 2012 2:32 pm

These two games have been intense! Great stuff. I have Thunder in 7.
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Re: 2012 NBA Playoffs - (2) Thunder vs. (7) Mavs - (1-0 OKC) 

Post#1259 » by Ozark » Tue May 1, 2012 2:33 pm

BmanInBigD wrote:
Ozark wrote:So let's look at the numbers behind this officiating that is making Jim Carrey poo his pants :

1st you have to consider that there have been 3 clear intentional fouls in the series, all committed by the Mavs, resulting in 6 FTA's for the Thunder. Those need to be deducted from the totals to show how the series is really being officiated.

So we have through 2 games, on OKC's home floor, with OKC being a team that typically shoots many more FT's per game than the Mavs due to style of play :

Fouls called on OKC : 50
Fouls called on Dallas (not counting 3 clear intentionals) : 43
FTA's by OKC not given to them on purpose by Dallas : 53
FTA's by Dallas, none given intentionally : 57

If anyone has a complaint, it's OKC fans, but we won't, because that's what whiny losers do. I just wish Jim Carrey would shut up.

Even during the regular season, we would joke about if there was any scenario under which Dallas could lose a game without crying about the officiating, and other fanbases agreed.

Before the series, Dallas fans gave numbers similar to those above to show how OKC gets love from the officials when playing them. By those standards, what do you have to say for yourself now?

Try to lose graciously. It's part of good sportsmanship.

Watch the damn game. Quit looking at numbers.


I did watch the game. The refs were whistle happy in both directions. I recall a couple of bad calls going against both teams. They missed Perk pulling Dirk's jersey on one occasion, and a couple of other holds. They also missed some holds on KD and low body contact. Westbrook got some iffy calls, Dirk got an iffy call when Ibaka stood straight up. I remember on one occasion I thought Westbrook did too much to initiate contact with a defender in the air on a jump shot, and also once that West got the same benefit. I thought Dirk got the benefit of the doubt on that continuation when he got hit in the back near the 3 point line, stumbled forward with 3 big strides and laid it in.

We could do this all day. The officials are jobbing no one. They aren't perfect. It's hard to see everything on a basketball court.

Also, I was referencing the exact numbers that Mavs fans were referencing as evidence of officiating bias against them during the regular season series, so I'm just using the standard they do, then they keep whining and changing what the standard should be.

It's called "laying it bare" - confirming the hypothesis that Dallas and their fans are the biggest whiners in the NBA. Hold up one standard for judging the slant of officiating, when that doesn't pan out, appeal to the subjective. Just admit, you got beat.

I mean, really now, 50 whistles on OKC thru 2 games at home and you're upset? Perhaps you would have liked to have seen 70 whistles on OKC? would that have been fair?
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Post#1260 » by picc » Tue May 1, 2012 2:40 pm

Deimos wrote:wow you can't BREATHE near durant or harden. I hate these refs.


Even though this is true now, it was equally true for Dirk against OKC last year, remember? Dirk had a game with 48 pts on 12 shots. :o While Kidd and Marion were allowed to sexually molest Durant.

Not saying whats happening right now is right, but...turnabout is fair play?
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