1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

Leolovinliberal · Post #641 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:22 am

BigSlam wrote:Who would be a better long term prospect at the 5 spot:

Biz or Drummond

?

Take into consideration size, skill set, ceiling etc. Who would be the better fit next to Robinson?

Trade Biz to the Kings for the #5 and take Robinson and Drummond?

Kemba - Hendo - 2013 pick - Robinson - Drummond

Drummond displays absolutely no passion whatsoever for the game of basketball.

Bassman · Post #642 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:27 am

BigSlam wrote:Who would be a better long term prospect at the 5 spot:

Biz or Drummond

?

Take into consideration size, skill set, ceiling etc. Who would be the better fit next to Robinson?

Trade Biz to the Kings for the #5 and take Robinson and Drummond?

Kemba - Hendo - 2013 pick - Robinson - Drummond

I'd welcome that deal and those players, but it will never happen. Cats fans like Biz but he's not viewed within GM circles as any great shakes. Potential is there but nobody is giving us #5 for him. Drummond has a higher ceiling and is a natural 5. Biz is better suited to be a center but he's undersized. Incredible reach only goes so far.

BTW, the photo everyone is talking about is not absolute. Despite the appearance, T-Rob is standing slightly back from Drummond and Barnes is closer to the photographer. Perspective, particularly depending on the lens length, creates distortion. Wait for the combine for everyone's measurables.

Lastly, I also think Beal will be very much in the mix of consideration for CLT, along with Drummond. T-Rob is still my guy, until I see something that makes me change my mind. Drummond is quite the horse, and while I like Beal, I think he might be the bigger reach between the two. T-Rob will be a quality player, and will only get better as he works at his trade. PASSION! DRIVE! LEADERSHIP! I think Robinson brings all that along with his skill. Let's see how it plays out.

Mr Loggins · Post #643 » by **Mr Loggins** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:36 am

hhvo wrote:
fatlever wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221337/Ford_Valanciunas_Would_Be_Second_Rated_Player_In_2012_Draft

i can agree with this. i would probably take jonas over everybody else in this draft other than davis.

I don't see the hype with Jonas. He's a euro bigmen who hustle and bang around the paint. What euro bigmen, beside Marc Gasol, is like that in the NBA? Jonas is no Marc Gasol. He can be successful with that style in Europe, but it wont be that easy in the NBA. I see him as a Tiago Splitter type.

Jonas Valančiūnas rymes with Nikoloz Tskitishvili

captaincrunk · Post #644 » by **captaincrunk** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:40 am

BigSlam wrote:Who would be a better long term prospect at the 5 spot:

Biz or Drummond

?

Take into consideration size, skill set, ceiling etc. Who would be the better fit next to Robinson?

Trade Biz to the Kings for the #5 and take Robinson and Drummond?

Kemba - Hendo - 2013 pick - Robinson - Drummond

but biz has sentimental value

Eoghan · Post #645 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:56 am

The more and more I look at tape on Drummond, the more and more I see...

A modern, young Hakeem Olajuwon. I say modern b/c Hakeem is one of the few great centers that if they weren't Center sized, they'd still be an NBA player b/c of they can handle the ball. Thanks to the Euros kicking our weak dream team's asses, it is no longer unusual to see 7'ers with a face-up game. Actually, a big with a post-up game is probably rarer. But Hakeem was one of the first to have that combination of size, athleticism, and still be able to handle the ball and move gracefully.

Drummond absolutely appears to have that kind of ability, maybe be even more athletic. Drummond can handle the ball in the open court, has excellent passing and court vision for a big, a soft touch with either hand, springs for legs, and a jumpshot that looks mechanically better than Anthony Davis's (and much better than MKG's chitty form).

He just needs a good coach to teach him and put him in the proper situation, his game was very ill-suited for the college system.

His floor is easily higher than DeAndre Jordan, not even close. His ceiling is clearly above Dwight Howard. The key is having a coaching staff that can teach him. Jerry Sloan is easily capable.

Stun704 · Post #646 » by **Stun704** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:00 am

BrotherDave wrote:The more and more I look at tape on Drummond, the more and more I see...

A modern, young Hakeem Olajuwon. I say modern b/c Hakeem is one of the few great centers that if they weren't Center sized, they'd still be an NBA player b/c of they can handle the ball. Thanks to the Euros kicking our weak dream team's asses, it is no longer unusual to see 7'ers with a face-up game. Actually, a big with a post-up game is probably rarer. But Hakeem was one of the first to have that combination of size, athleticism, and still be able to handle the ball and move gracefully.

Drummond absolutely appears to have that kind of ability, maybe be even more athletic. Drummond can handle the ball in the open court, has excellent passing and court vision for a big, a soft touch with either hand, springs for legs, and a jumpshot that looks mechanically better than Anthony Davis's (and much better than MKG's chitty form).

He just needs a good coach to teach him and put him in the proper situation, his game was very ill-suited for the college system.

His floor is easily higher than DeAndre Jordan, not even close. His ceiling is clearly above Dwight Howard. The key is having a coaching staff that can teach him. Jerry Sloan is easily capable.

What footage are you watching to see all those attributes? against 5'11 high schoolers? because he definitely didn't display any of that a step above in college. all he was able to do consistently was catch oops and putbacks

Eoghan · Post #647 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:11 am

Stun704 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:The more and more I look at tape on Drummond, the more and more I see...

A modern, young Hakeem Olajuwon. I say modern b/c Hakeem is one of the few great centers that if they weren't Center sized, they'd still be an NBA player b/c of they can handle the ball. Thanks to the Euros kicking our weak dream team's asses, it is no longer unusual to see 7'ers with a face-up game. Actually, a big with a post-up game is probably rarer. But Hakeem was one of the first to have that combination of size, athleticism, and still be able to handle the ball and move gracefully.

Drummond absolutely appears to have that kind of ability, maybe be even more athletic. Drummond can handle the ball in the open court, has excellent passing and court vision for a big, a soft touch with either hand, springs for legs, and a jumpshot that looks mechanically better than Anthony Davis's (and much better than MKG's chitty form).

He just needs a good coach to teach him and put him in the proper situation, his game was very ill-suited for the college system.

His floor is easily higher than DeAndre Jordan, not even close. His ceiling is clearly above Dwight Howard. The key is having a coaching staff that can teach him. Jerry Sloan is easily capable.
What footage are you watching to see all those attributes? against 5'11 high schoolers? because he definitely didn't display any of that a step above in college. all he was able to do consistently was catch oops and putbacks

That's what happens when you play on a glorified streetball team with a 3 guard line-up where each one is trying to get his stats.

captaincrunk · Post #648 » by **captaincrunk** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:17 am

BrotherDave wrote:
Stun704 wrote:What footage are you watching to see all those attributes? against 5'11 high schoolers? because he definitely didn't display any of that a step above in college. all he was able to do consistently was catch oops and putbacks

That's what happens when you play on a glorified streetball team with a 3 guard line-up where each one is trying to get his stats.

JMAC3 · Post #649 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:20 am

Michael Kidd Gilchrist

Player Comparisons:
Andre Iguodala- All around game
Gerald Wallace- Hustle
Scottie Pippen- Winner

I know everybody wonders how will he score?

The thing that makes him good is he gets easy buckets. Whether that be in transition, getting to the free throw line or put backs.He will score in many ways that Gerald Wallace was able to score. He has played a lot of post in his highschool and college careers. I think this bodes well for him having a decent post game against other SF in the NBA and he he can also play some SG in a big lineup and even PF in small lineups with his ability to rebound.

What does he do other then score?

He is going to be an elite perimeter defender at the next level. He has good length and strength already and that will only improve. He is one of the youngest player in this draft and probably the hardest worker. He is going to be a good rebounder at the next level as well. He is an underrated playmaker and ball handler for his position. They both need work, but I think he has shown that they will be strengths to his game. If you watch Anthony Davis highlights MKG is the one who is throwing him many of those alleys.

But he cant shoot

Shooting is something players will never stop working on and will continue to get better at with time. I know his form is a bit shaky, but so are many other good players in the NBA need I mention Shawn Marion, Kevin Martin, or Tayshaun Prince..... All of them are solid outside shooters and have weird form... Its not like his shot is completely broke.... He did shoot 50 percent from the field, 75 percent from the line... He just struggled from the three point line at 25%.... He didnt shoot that many threes at just 51... They played 40 games... So barely over 1 per game...He had a lot of games where he is 0-1... Its not like he was launching them up right and left shooting that poorly...

I think he has that work ethic of Kobe Bryant in the practice gym mixed with the hustle and heart of Gerald Wallace during the game. I just do not see how this does not end up with out a great player. He is a leader and winning is everything to him... Idc what people say knowing how to win is an important skill in basketball. Some players have it and some don't. I am wanting a culture change and that is what MKG will bring over Andre Drummond. He is going to be that player who kills himself trying to be the best player in the game and will work on his weaknesses until they become strengths.

I think a career average of 16 ppg, 8 rpg, 4.5 apg, and a net of 3 spg/bpg...

Nothing to be disappointed about..

SWedd523 · Post #650 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:20 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:Looks like we will just have to Beal with it.

We don't need a 6'2 shooting guard.

See what I did there

SWedd523 · Post #651 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:27 am

BigSlam wrote:After living through a couple of season having Diaw as our starting PF it would be kind of cool having a hard arse, intense starting PF like Robinson.

This gif makes me smile.

To go from the Pillow, Okafor, McMay, and Diaw to

and

would be truly refreshing. They might be short together, but you definitely won't punk either one of them

HasheemThabeet · Post #652 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:29 am

Drummond being completely mediocre from start to finish was due to his awful bbiq, he never adjusted, developed or learned to do anything new. He showed zero improvement as the season progressed, if anything he got worse. Lamb, Boatright and Napier were all better options on offense anyways

Rich4114 · Post #653 » by **Rich4114** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:34 am

I am trying to remind myself that Barnes is not a #2 pick but when I look at the options... would he be considered there?

I like what I'm seeing on Robinson so far as well.

I really don't want MKG or Beal but I dunno.

Drummond... he is certainly the controversial guy here.

Eoghan · Post #654 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:37 am

JMAC3 wrote:Michael Kidd Gilchrist

He's just too much of a project for me and all his best attributes don't translate directly into the box score. But, he's a "winner" and a "leader" and has a high "motor" and "hustles." Well, I have news for you, virtually every NBA-caliber player has these intangibles, or else they wouldn't be NBA-caliber. MKG is just more outwardly expressive of these traits.

He's really a PF with a SF's size and handles, that's why he reminds so many of Gerald Wallace. He'll mix it up with the big boys and find ways to score like Crash but for how long until his body starts wearing down, just like Crash @ PF?

I think he can get it all together and improve b/c he's really young and if he fixes that shot I actually can see him as a Paul Pierce type player, that's his "absolutely everything goes right" ceiling. But I still think he's got a much longer way to get there than others (Drummond, Beal, Barnes) and I think he's not a top 5 BPA this year.

Eoghan · Post #655 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:46 am

HasheemThabeet wrote:Drummond being completely mediocre from start to finish was due to his awful bbiq, he never adjusted, developed or learned to do anything new. He showed zero improvement as the season progressed, if anything he got worse. Lamb, Boatright and Napier were all better options on offense anyways

I guess 17/14/3 and 14/10/3 against #2 ranked Syracuse at the end of the season is zero improvement.

He also had 2 games with 7 blocks, one with 5, and 8 with 4 blocks. It's a little tough to get so many blocks with awful bbiq.

KingCat · Post #656 » by **KingCat** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:49 am

I want to get excited about MKG, but I can't. His ceiling is very low, and even if he does become like Gerald Wallace, then so what, all Wallace really did for us was lead us to a 1st round sweep. I think there is at least one more franchise player in this draft, and it is not Gilchrist

TheKingofSting · Post #657 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 5:02 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:Looks like we will just have to Beal with it.

We don't need a 6'2 shooting guard.

See what I did there

Well played

You did say he was 6'4 before though

Stun704 · Post #658 » by **Stun704** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 5:03 am

KingCat wrote:I want to get excited about MKG, but I can't. His ceiling is very low, and even if he does become like Gerald Wallace, then so what, all Wallace really did for us was lead us to a 1st round sweep. I think there is at least one more franchise player in this draft, and it is not Gilchrist

Believe me, I know franchise players :wink:

TheKingofSting · Post #659 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 5:03 am

Look at it this way and answer seriously would you want Eric Gordon on our team? :nod:

We have to take Beal.

TheKingofSting · Post #660 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 5:04 am

Stun704 wrote:
KingCat wrote:I want to get excited about MKG, but I can't. His ceiling is very low, and even if he does become like Gerald Wallace, then so what, all Wallace really did for us was lead us to a 1st round sweep. I think there is at least one more franchise player in this draft, and it is not Gilchrist

Believe me, I know franchise players

OT but are you from Shelby?

Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?