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Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II

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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#201 » by mohammed10 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:44 pm

closg00 wrote:Lakers are interested in trading Hill for Beasley is what I read on IAMAGM


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Post#202 » by 7-Day Dray » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:49 pm

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closg00 wrote:Lakers are interested in trading Hill for Beasley is what I read on IAMAGM


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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#203 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:24 pm

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Nivek wrote:Beasley is a restricted free agent.

How do you envision him helping the Wizards?

Well, he has been so successful playing the 3 in Minnesota that it would be shame not to let that tradition continue.



I think Beasley has been miscast as a 3. He's a stretch 4 and probably would be more efficient if he wasn't asked to create shots against quicker 3s. He also was a terrific rebounder in college and would likely post better rebounding numbers as a 4.

Not saying he could help us. I don't want him in a Wizards uni. I just think he'd probably be better off at the 4.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#204 » by sfam » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:54 am

B-easy wrote:Isn't Michael Beasley a free agent? I think we should go for him, we need quite a bit of help at that 3 spot.

I think we should be all about high character, hard working, low maintenance guys before even looking at their capabilities. Beasley wouldn't end up anywhere near a team I was GMing for. He doesn't take his craft seriously and seems to get by on his talent alone. Whether or not he'd be a good match for us skillwise (I don't see it), he doesn't pass the character filter I'd like to see set up - and by all accounts Ted seems to feel this way as well.

We don't have the culture of a San Antonio that would allow us to take a problem person like a Stephen Jackson and force their integration. We're like 10 years away from that.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#205 » by B-easy » Fri Jun 8, 2012 9:02 am

Michael Beasley is a high character guy. And how is he not a hard worker? where are you getting your information from bro.
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Post#206 » by VictorPage44 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:56 pm

I like Beasley, but let's be real, he's shall we say "easily distracted". I dont doubt that he could produce on a good team, and you wouldnt have any crazy problems from him either. I think Beasley is a great teammate and I like his character as an individual. I always thought it was Wade who was the jerk in Miami when Beasley was there, but the media played it the other way around.

However, he's not much of an intense leader type to begin with and there would a lot of distractions for him coming back home to play, so I dont think this Wizards team would get his enough out of him to justify signing him to a big deal.

You know who should trade for him, though? Boston. He'd give them a mismatch on offense that the offense could work around. Beasley actually has a great feel for the game offensively. I can envision him getting tons of easy looks from Rondo.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#207 » by Nivek » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:59 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Nivek wrote:Beasley is a restricted free agent.

How do you envision him helping the Wizards?

Well, he has been so successful playing the 3 in Minnesota that it would be shame not to let that tradition continue.



I think Beasley has been miscast as a 3. He's a stretch 4 and probably would be more efficient if he wasn't asked to create shots against quicker 3s. He also was a terrific rebounder in college and would likely post better rebounding numbers as a 4.

Not saying he could help us. I don't want him in a Wizards uni. I just think he'd probably be better off at the 4.


I agree that he'd be better served to move back to PF. That won't happen in Minnesota, though. He's an interesting player because he was tremendous in college. I wonder if he got shaken a bit by changing positions. Or, maybe he got distracted by the NBA lifestyle or something. He looked like just as good a prospect as Kevin Love, and he has not followed anything like Love's career trajectory.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#208 » by TGW » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:26 pm

B-easy wrote:Michael Beasley is a high character guy. And how is he not a hard worker? where are you getting your information from bro.


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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#209 » by mohammed10 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:11 pm

TGW wrote:
B-easy wrote:Michael Beasley is a high character guy. And how is he not a hard worker? where are you getting your information from bro.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yeah, I have to agree with TGW on this one...As a fellow Washingtonian and a high draft pick, I want Beasley succeed as much as anyone else, but B-easy's comment made me chuckle...
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Post#210 » by rockymac52 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:50 pm

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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#211 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:04 pm

any rebounders on the market?
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Post#212 » by Severn Hoos » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:24 pm

FAH1223 wrote:any rebounders on the market?


Ersan Ilyasova averaged 11.5 Rebounds per 36 minutes, with a Total Reb% of 17.6% (DRB% of 22.8%) TRB% placed him at #16 in the entire league, and total Reb. per game put him 18th with 8.8.

Not crazy numbers like Love, but comparable to Faried's numbers last year. Oh, and shot 45.5% from 3. Second in the NBA to Steve Novak.

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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#213 » by closg00 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:04 am

Gerald Wallace opted-out of his contract making the Nets tradeline deal one of the worst trades since Grunfeld traded our 5th pick for expiring contracts. Now the Nets have to probably over-pay to keep Wallace or risk losing him for nothing.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#214 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:48 pm

closg00 wrote:Gerald Wallace opted-out of his contract making the Nets tradeline deal one of the worst trades since Grunfeld traded our 5th pick for expiring contracts. Now the Nets have to probably over-pay to keep Wallace or risk losing him for nothing.

And that would have been awful even if Wallace didn't opt out. Let's hope the Wiz stay out of the bidding for Wallace. We don't want a 3 who doesn't shoot well from outside, and he's going to likely get big money.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#215 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:21 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:any rebounders on the market?


Ersan Ilyasova averaged 11.5 Rebounds per 36 minutes, with a Total Reb% of 17.6% (DRB% of 22.8%) TRB% placed him at #16 in the entire league, and total Reb. per game put him 18th with 8.8.

Not crazy numbers like Love, but comparable to Faried's numbers last year. Oh, and shot 45.5% from 3. Second in the NBA to Steve Novak.

Works for me.


He's at the top of my list AND he is UFA unlike Anderson who is a RFA (but he disappeared without D12)

If we can amnesty Blatche and buyout Rashard I'd offer $8 million for Ersan easily.
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Post#216 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:05 pm

If we acquired Ilyasova, we'd have to do something with Booker. With Ilyasova and Vesely fighting for the PF minutes, there wouldn't be much left for Booker and he'd be sure to depart via free agency in 2 years anyhow. Our best bet would be to trade him immediately for the best possible SF we could find. If not a SF, then a future pick.

I wonder if Golden State would trade us Dorell Wright? That would leave us with:

PG Wall/Denmon
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Wright/Crowder/Singleton
PF Ilyasova/Vesely
C Nene/Seraphin

That's a playoff team.
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Post#217 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:10 pm

nate33 wrote:If we acquired Ilyasova, we'd have to do something with Booker. With Ilyasova and Vesely fighting for the PF minutes, there wouldn't be much left for Booker and he'd be sure to depart via free agency in 2 years anyhow. Our best bet would be to trade him immediately for the best possible SF we could find. If not a SF, then a future pick.

I wonder if Golden State would trade us Dorell Wright? That would leave us with:

PG Wall/Denmon
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Wright/Crowder/Singleton
PF Ilyasova/Vesely
C Nene/Seraphin

That's a playoff team.

8-) that is a playoff team


The floor would be spaced, we'd have a rebounder in Ersan too... Nene playing fundamentally
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#218 » by mohammed10 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:44 pm

nate33 wrote:If we acquired Ilyasova, we'd have to do something with Booker. With Ilyasova and Vesely fighting for the PF minutes, there wouldn't be much left for Booker and he'd be sure to depart via free agency in 2 years anyhow. Our best bet would be to trade him immediately for the best possible SF we could find. If not a SF, then a future pick.

I wonder if Golden State would trade us Dorell Wright? That would leave us with:

PG Wall/Denmon
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Wright/Crowder/Singleton
PF Ilyasova/Vesely
C Nene/Seraphin

That's a playoff team.


Sorry, nate, but I am not understanding why we move Booker instead of Vesely...
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#219 » by J-Ves » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:57 pm

Ilyasova would be a good pick up, but I think this team would benefit more by acquiring a 3pt shooting SF in free agency. My favorite (but highly unlikely) signing would be Nic Batum, but I'd settle for someone like Danny Green on a much cheaper contract. The idea is with two capable shooters at the wing and an offensive center in Nene/Seriphin on the floor at all times, more defensive/energy minded PFs, such as Vesely and Booker, will be perfect fits for this team.

Assuming we draft Beal, and amnesty Blatche the lineup would look like this:
Wall Mack
Beal Crawford
Batum Martin C.Singleton
Vesely Booker
Nene Seriphin
(If we get Green instead of Batum, the Wiz would have the money to sign someone like J. Singleton. The 2nd round picks would fill out the rest of the roster)

The only real weakness I see in that lineup is defensive rebounding from our bigs, but overall It would be a huge improvement from last year.
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Re: Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II 

Post#220 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:12 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
nate33 wrote:If we acquired Ilyasova, we'd have to do something with Booker. With Ilyasova and Vesely fighting for the PF minutes, there wouldn't be much left for Booker and he'd be sure to depart via free agency in 2 years anyhow. Our best bet would be to trade him immediately for the best possible SF we could find. If not a SF, then a future pick.

I wonder if Golden State would trade us Dorell Wright? That would leave us with:

PG Wall/Denmon
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Wright/Crowder/Singleton
PF Ilyasova/Vesely
C Nene/Seraphin

That's a playoff team.


Sorry, nate, but I am not understanding why we move Booker instead of Vesely...

Vesely is the only long, athletic, rim protector on the team. He could pan out to have at least one or two elite NBA skills (pick and roll defense, offensive rebounding). Booker is a fairly average across-the-board player. He doesn't suck at anything, but he's not really special at anything either. The only area where he has demonstrated truly above-average aptitude is in defending big SF's like Melo. And that's a pretty small niche.

Don't get me wrong. I love Booker. But I love him because he has a maturity ahead of his age and he's a pretty productive, well-rounded player on a cheap contract. Once his rookie contract expires and he gets paid fair value, he's going to seem pretty expendable.

I think Vesely still has the upside to be an average or better starting PF. Booker's ceiling is that of a below-average starter or an above-average backup.

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