Draft Combine discussion thread

[7-Day Dray]

measurements are soo overrated it rediculous

These kids clearly can play basketball, thats why they;re in the position that they're in..

If they "dominated" in college with these same measurements...I dont see them being too much of a major factor in the NBA

+1000 I don't know how so many people can ignore their play on the court and just go by combine numbers to indicate if they're a player or not.

[dballislife]

size, length, and athleticism matter a lot in basketball

[NoDopeOnSundays]

measurements are soo overrated it rediculous

These kids clearly can play basketball, thats why they;re in the position that they're in..

If they "dominated" in college with these same measurements...I dont see them being too much of a major factor in the NBA

+1000 I don't know how so many people can ignore their play on the court and just go by combine numbers to indicate if they're a player or not.

Because sometimes the measurements tell you that some guys just won't cut it a the next level.

Michael Beasley is a glaring example of this, had people just gone by his college dominance he would have been the number 1 pick. He was physically dominating at PF in college, got to the next level and had to make the change to SF because he was only 6"8 (listed @ 6"10) and not particularly long.

If you redid that draft McGee, Lopez and Hibbert all should have gone before him, but too many questions about motor for Lopez, how raw McGee was, or how unathletic Hibbert was meant you couldn't draft them over him. All of those guys were longer, taller and better prospects at the next level because of their measurements. Imagine how much better Miami would be if they picked any of those 3 guys regardless of the questions...

[hype_2004]

Drummond is second. I don't know how you don't take those measurements second

This. Plus most 270 lb guys are lucky to have a 30' vertical, and Drummond has a 38

Thus kid will be a monster imagine being 300 lbs with speed, agility and vertical of a SF, if this doesn't warrant consideration for the no.1 pick then I don't know what is.

[7-Day Dray]

Drummond is second. I don't know how you don't take those measurements second

This. Plus most 270 lb guys are lucky to have a 30' vertical, and Drummond has a 38

Thus kid will be a monster imagine being 300 lbs with speed, agility and vertical of a SF, if this doesn't warrant consideration for the no.1 pick then I don't know what is.

Drummond does have a very wide body but didn't get much above average on standing reach, which is equally important for centers. Cousins, for instance, has 4 inches on him there. Drummond also has very small hands which is crucial for easily catching entry passes and posting up. They aren't Kwame Brown small, but they are small. Overall the measurements were neutral for Drummond in regards to expectations. I do suspect he will kill on the vertical tests though.

[Roger Murdock]

Am I the only one surprised at Davis' reach "only" being 9'0. One inch higher than Sullinger and below Quincy??? This guy?

They don't fully extend because they want to make their vertical leaps more impressive. He can probably reach 1 or 2 more inches if he really strained himself.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Drummond does have a very wide body but didn't get much above average on standing reach, which is equally important for centers. Cousins, for instance, has 4 inches on him there. Drummond also has very small hands which is crucial for easily catching entry passes and posting up. They aren't Kwame Brown small, but they are small. Overall the measurements were neutral for Drummond in regards to expectations. I do suspect he will kill on the vertical tests though.

His hands aren't small, they were bigger than Anthony Davis' hands and among the top 10 at the combine.

Also, he has a 9"1 and a half standing reach and a 38" vert, puts his reach at 12"2 and 3 quarters, for comparison Dwight and JaVale were 12"3 (Cousins 11"8). He also said he's hit 41" before in vert, which doesn't seem like a big stretch.

[bigboi]

Drummond does have a very wide body but didn't get much above average on standing reach, which is equally important for centers. Cousins, for instance, has 4 inches on him there. Drummond also has very small hands which is crucial for easily catching entry passes and posting up. They aren't Kwame Brown small, but they are small. Overall the measurements were neutral for Drummond in regards to expectations. I do suspect he will kill on the vertical tests though.

His hands aren't small, they were bigger than Anthony Davis' hands and among the top 10 at the combine.

Also, he has a 9"1 and a half standing reach and a 38" vert, puts his reach at 12"2 and 3 quarters, for comparison Dwight and JaVale were 12"3 (Cousins 11"8). He also said he's hit 41" before in vert, which doesn't seem like a big stretch.

Tellem

[black bart]

Drummond does have a very wide body but didn't get much above average on standing reach, which is equally important for centers. Cousins, for instance, has 4 inches on him there. Drummond also has very small hands which is crucial for easily catching entry passes and posting up. They aren't Kwame Brown small, but they are small. Overall the measurements were neutral for Drummond in regards to expectations. I do suspect he will kill on the vertical tests though.

His hands aren't small, they were bigger than Anthony Davis' hands and among the top 10 at the combine.

Also, he has a 9"1 and a half standing reach and a 38" vert, puts his reach at 12"2 and 3 quarters, for comparison Dwight and JaVale were 12"3 (Cousins 11"8). He also said he's hit 41" before in vert, which doesn't seem like a big stretch.

He also has 50 pounds on javale mcgee and 30 pounds on dwight. He is a freak

[ManualRam]

Drummond is second. I don't know how you don't take those measurements second

This. Plus most 270 lb guys are lucky to have a 30' vertical, and Drummond has a 38

Thus kid will be a monster imagine being 300 lbs with speed, agility and vertical of a SF, if this doesn't warrant consideration for the no.1 pick then I don't know what is.

i can see the argument being made for him being #1 if you just ignore the whole "how does he play basketball" part of the equation.

[Dr Positivity]

Bold prediction: Meyers Leonard will be drafted ahead of Andre Drummond.

My guess is Cleveland takes Leonard over Drummond, but if CLE takes someone else at 4 then it's likely Drummond goes first. I'm putting Leonard 4th to CLE from now on my mocks though. Seems like the right fit with Irving, TT/Varejao, Big Z, etc.

[Klomp]

And Leonard had the worse freshman year of anyone that is a first round prospect. It is silly to compare someone's freshman year to someone's sophomore year. Real scouts compare people on a equal basis then try to gauge the rate in which a player should grow.

If that's how you rate prospects, Thomas Robinson should be a late first rounder because he averaged just 0.4 ppg more than Meyers Leonard in their freshman seasons. Fab Melo was in that range too.

Drummond will have a nice impact on the defensive end, but he will never be the kind of player who you can throw it in the low block and expect him to score. A lot like how Dwight struggles on the offensive end outside of 5 feet from the basket.

On the other hand, I think Leonard may not be as good on the defensive side of the ball, but will have a solid low post repertoire, much like an Andrew Bynum.

[Dr Positivity]

I think Harrison Barnes is the red herring of the draft. His go to NBA skill is fadeaway 20 foot jumpers. I've been putting together a Barnes scouting video over the last 3 days and literally 50-70% of his shot attempts were fadeaway midrange shots. I could Golden State taking him 7 because they have the PG/SG/PF/C spots filled long term, but I could also see him going like 18th with Chad Ford having just been out to lunch for months and teams being much more aware than they're given credit for that they don't want to use a lotto pick to get a skill as abundant as low percentage midrange jumpshooting

[Klomp]

Seems like the right fit with Irving, TT/Varejao, Big Z, etc.

When did he come out of retirement?

[7-Day Dray]

I think Harrison Barnes is the red herring of the draft. His go to NBA skill is fadeaway 20 foot jumpers. I've been putting together a Barnes scouting video over the last 3 days and literally 50-70% of his shot attempts were fadeaway midrange shots. I could Golden State taking him 7 because they have the PG/SG/PF/C spots filled long term, but I could also see him going like 18th with Chad Ford having just been out to lunch for months and teams being much more aware than they're given credit for that they don't want to use a lotto pick to get a skill as abundant as low percentage midrange jumpshooting

Yeah, the way he's always fading away even when he goes to the rim is a turnoff. He has the frame to absorb contact too, but he seems like a soft player.

[Dr Positivity]

I meant to help develop/tutor him (Z is a Cavs executive now - maybe his role is too big to get in on practices, but anyways)

[7-Day Dray]

Drummond does have a very wide body but didn't get much above average on standing reach, which is equally important for centers. Cousins, for instance, has 4 inches on him there. Drummond also has very small hands which is crucial for easily catching entry passes and posting up. They aren't Kwame Brown small, but they are small. Overall the measurements were neutral for Drummond in regards to expectations. I do suspect he will kill on the vertical tests though.

His hands aren't small, they were bigger than Anthony Davis' hands and among the top 10 at the combine.

Also, he has a 9"1 and a half standing reach and a 38" vert, puts his reach at 12"2 and 3 quarters, for comparison Dwight and JaVale were 12"3 (Cousins 11"8). He also said he's hit 41" before in vert, which doesn't seem like a big stretch.

He also has 50 pounds on javale mcgee and 30 pounds on dwight. He is a freak

JaVale McGee has a 9'6.5" standing reach though, while Dwight's is 9'3.5", despite being shorter. Drummond's reach is 9'1".

[EvanZ]

Yeah, the reach makes a big difference for interior defenders.

[jman3134]

Not that this matters all that much, but Jae Crowder really struggled against Middleton in the 2 on 2's. Middleton is someone who is completely overlooked, but is definitely better than his numbers this past season.

[richboy]

Bradley Beal : 6'3.25 w/o shoes, 6'4.75 w/shoes, 6'8 wingspan, 8'3 standing reach (not good)
Anthony Davis: 6'9.25 w/o shoes, 6'10.5 w/shoes, 7'5.5 wing (freak), 9'0 standing reach
Andre Drummond: 6' 9.75" w/o shoes , 6' 11.75" shoes, 7' 6.25" wing 9' 1.5" reach (will help his stock)
Thomas Robinson: 6' 7.75" w/o shoes, 6' 8.75" shoes and 7' 3.25" wing 8' 10" reach (reach is a little short)
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 6' 5.75" socks 6' 7.5" shoes and 7' 0" wing 8'8.5" reach
Terrence Jones 6' 8.25" socks 6' 9.5" shoes and 7' 2.5" wing 8' 9.5 reach
Jared Sullinger 6' 7.75" socks 6' 9" shoes and 7' 1.25" wing 8' 11" reach
Damian Lillard 6'1.75" socks 6' 2.75" shoes and 6' 7.5" wing 8' 0" reach
Dion Waiters 6' 2.5" socks 6' 4" shoes and 6' 7.35" wing 8' 2" reach
Austin Rivers 6' 3.5" socks 6' 5" shoes and 6' 7.25" wing 8' 1" reach
Perry Jones 6' 10.25" socks 6' 11.5" shoes and 7' 1.75" wing 8' 10.5" reach
Jeremy Lamb 6' 4" socks 6' 5.25" shoes and 6' 11" wing 8' 5" reach
Kendall Marshall 6'3.25" socks 6' 4.25" shoes and 6' 5.5" wing 7' 10.5" reach
Tyler Zeller 6' 11.25" socks 7' 0.5" shoes and 7' 0" wing 8' 8" reach
Meyers Leonard 6' 11.75" socks 7' 1.25" shoes and 7' 3" wing 9' 0.5" reach
John Henson 6' 9" socks 6' 10.5" shoes and 7' 5" wing 9' 3.5" reach
Terrence Ross 6' 6" socks 6' 7" shoes and 6' 7,25" wing 8' 5" reach

Anthony Davis reach would make me nervous. Could suggest he was a very good athlete blocking shots on a small league. That at the NBA level he won't have the same impact.

Robinson not that bad. Looking at him I was expecting something like a 8'8 standing reach.

Wish Zeller was a little longer.

Sullinger looks like a winner. 6'9 with 8'11 standing reach. To me he has a good shot at being a lesser version of Al Horford.

Drummond has legit NBA center size and length. Not the ridiculous standing reach of Deandre Jordan though.

Davis Standing Reach is the shocking one though. I think that put him about 6 inches lower than Javale Mcgee arms up. Wingspan is solid but that helps you more on the perimeter.