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Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

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If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?

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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#641 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:54 am

Master Ze wrote:http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/jeremy-lamb-jun-7-2012


After watching his interview I officially don't want the Raptors to draft him. Look at my avatar, I've been a fan of his game for a while, but he talks like an absolute douche-bag. I don't know who speaks worse, him or Jonas.

Number of times he says um or uh in this 3 minute interview > Number of points Lebron dropped in game 7.


All this just because of a bad interview? Wow, just wow.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#642 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:56 am

shortmikeshortt wrote:Not that I want to go against my loving nature last night haha...but...

Jeremy Lamb - G - Player
The Trail Blazers were one of "many teams" who were disappointed with Connecticut SG Jeremy Lamb's pre-draft workouts.
Lamb acknowledged that teams want to see his "motor" and whether he can stand up to NBA contact, and he didn't help himself by failing to shoot well during drills. Another strike against him for Portland came during a media interview -- when asked whether he knew "anything about" the Blazers, he struggled to name LaMarcus Aldridge, then said he knew of "the light-skinned dude," who turned out to be Nicolas Batum.


That just means he's falling to us. Even better :D
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#643 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:47 am

If Anthony Davis,MKG,Thomas Robinson, Barnes, Drummond, Lillard, Beal is off the board we still should take Lamb if someone from those guys mentioned before are available we take them in a heart beat.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#644 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:52 am

We definitely need to take Lamb over Drummond/T-Rob/Lillard.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#645 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:57 am

fredericklove wrote:We definitely need to take Lamb over Drummond/T-Rob/Lillard.

Hell no! It would be so impressive to see C. JV PF. Drummond or C. JV PF. T-Rob, whois Casey's guy. Not to mention that they're BPA and we could package them for All Star caliber player.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#646 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:12 am

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fredericklove wrote:We definitely need to take Lamb over Drummond/T-Rob/Lillard.

Hell no! It would be so impressive to see C. JV PF. Drummond or C. JV PF. T-Rob, whois Casey's guy. Not to mention that they're BPA and we could package them for All Star caliber player.


Uh hell yes. Maybe T-Rob as BPA, but no way Drummond/Lillard as BPA when one have high bust potential and one has most uncertainty among all lottery prospects. Who wants to trade their all stars away for a package including a long project big or a soon-to-be 23 yr old rookie? Lol.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#647 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:17 am

fredericklove wrote:
BillyGM wrote:
fredericklove wrote:We definitely need to take Lamb over Drummond/T-Rob/Lillard.

Hell no! It would be so impressive to see C. JV PF. Drummond or C. JV PF. T-Rob, whois Casey's guy. Not to mention that they're BPA and we could package them for All Star caliber player.


Uh hell yes. Maybe T-Rob as BPA, but no way Drummond/Lillard as BPA when one have high bust potential and one has most uncertainty among all lottery prospects. Who wants to trade their all stars away for a package including a long project big or a soon-to-be 23 yr old rookie? Lol.

Haha, you are a crazy men to say such things, almost no scouts have projected Lamb to go higher than 8th and those who did were laughed at. So Goodluck with your mad love for Lamb, hope he doesn't turnout to be just a goat.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#648 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:22 am

BillyGM wrote:Haha, you are a crazy men to say such things, almost no scouts have projected Lamb to go higher than 8th and those who did were laughed at. So Goodluck with your mad love for Lamb, hope he doesn't turnout to be just a goat.


Laughed at? By who, only you. Alot of people know Lamb has top 5 potential, its not flash news, Like I said, who wants to trade a star player for those two, that thing u just said is much crazier.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#649 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:28 am

fredericklove wrote:
BillyGM wrote:Haha, you are a crazy men to say such things, almost no scouts have projected Lamb to go higher than 8th and those who did were laughed at. So Goodluck with your mad love for Lamb, hope he doesn't turnout to be just a goat.


Laughed at? By who, only you. Alot of people know Lamb has top 5 potential, its not flash news, Like I said, who wants to trade a star player for those two, that thing u just said is much crazier.

Please say my more than 5 scouts who have currently Lamb going higher than 8th pick.
So I would love to see your mocks where Lillard/Drummond/TRob is goign lower than 8th.
So maby Lamb was so impressive that he jumped higher than 8th spot? I don't think so. I didn't see even 1 good interview, his combine drills even shooting ones were desribed as poor, and he states that he needs to proove that he has a motor but he does nothing. Yeah this guy should go higher than TROBor Drummond who're even ranked 2,3,4 in some mocks and Lillard who just impressed every GM at the Draft Combine, who was great interviewer and even Cavs who're 4th right now asked him to come over and do an interview for them.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#650 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:32 am

interviews isn't game skills, don't overpraise that, its the mock draft u talking right now, its not even the draft day, things can change suddenly in the order. Draft combine is deceiving, impressing there isn't going to mean they will be impressive in a professional game setting. So don't assume those guys who get drafted higher mean they are better. They get drafted higher cos of immense potential and PG needs.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#651 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:34 am

fredericklove wrote:interviews isn't game skills, don't overpraise that, its the mock draft u talking right now, its not even the draft day, things can change suddenly in the order. Draft combine is deceiving, impressing there isn't going to mean they will be impressive in a professional game setting. So don't assume those guys who get drafted higher mean they are better. They get drafted higher cos of immense potential and PG needs.

so you're some kind of a prophet? you can see in the future? i understand that you see draft order where trob, drummond, lillard is out of the top 8. :) Good luck with that. According to you no matter if guy like Lillard was great interviewer showed incredible physical tools and prooved that he's worth the hype according to you guys like Lamb who weren't flashy at interviews and workouts will jump in the draft order. So it's the world you live in. :)
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#652 » by Waylon Mercy » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:02 am

With Kobe, Allen, Ginobilli, Carter etc getting older SG is getting extremely thin guys like
Beal/Lamb/Rivers/Waiters/Ross have a chance to be a top 5-7 SG in the next 3 or 4 years.
PG is one of the deepest positions in the NBA I can't say with confidence that Lillard will
be a top 15 PG in the future.
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Post#653 » by ansoncarter » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:50 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:With Kobe, Allen, Ginobilli, Carter etc getting older SG is getting extremely thin guys like
Beal/Lamb/Rivers/Waiters/Ross have a chance to be a top 5-7 SG in the next 3 or 4 years.
PG is one of the deepest positions in the NBA I can't say with confidence that Lillard will
be a top 15 PG in the future.

good point, but there are lots of good guards in general especially in the east, and one good guard is all you need since he'll be handling a ton of the plays himself. I don't think drafting the 7th best sg will give us any big advantage over other teams in overall perimeter play

actually demar derozan might even be close to 7th best sg

(dont' mind drafting any of those guys, just wonder if top5 sg is as big a deal as it sounds if they're only top5 because everyone else is weak. If other teams have one good guard, which a lot do even if it's a pg, they'll probably outplay our backcourt single handed. Rather go all-in on our frontcourt personally, have a decided advantage)
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#654 » by shortmikeshortt » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:21 pm

fredericklove wrote:
BillyGM wrote:
fredericklove wrote:We definitely need to take Lamb over Drummond/T-Rob/Lillard.

Hell no! It would be so impressive to see C. JV PF. Drummond or C. JV PF. T-Rob, whois Casey's guy. Not to mention that they're BPA and we could package them for All Star caliber player.


Uh hell yes. Maybe T-Rob as BPA, but no way Drummond/Lillard as BPA when one have high bust potential and one has most uncertainty among all lottery prospects. Who wants to trade their all stars away for a package including a long project big or a soon-to-be 23 yr old rookie? Lol.


Nooo Fredrick you went too far! If you wanna say we need Lamb over Lillard I can accept that, I completely disagree with it, but I can accept it...over Drummond, sure maybe, but TRob? Damn man thats too far...u also said Lillard has the most 'uncertainty among all lottery prospects', when surely Lamb has more uncertainty to reach his potential?...and then you topped it off by calling Lillard a soon to be 23 year old rookie - Lillard is 21 years old, so unless he stays in school 2 more years that aint possible.

Also its possible you are downplaying the importance of the interview process...I'm sure 1 or 2 'errs and umms' to particular questions is not a big deal - but to show a pattern of...well...of...being a bonehead (for lack of a better word) doesn't bode well for his character and what kind of person he is (he called Nic Batum 'the light skinned dude!'). Being able to handle pressure, media etc, its all part of the gig, and being a high character guy is of MAJOR importance...I'm not saying the interviews expose that completely and that's all its about, but it certainly doesn't show good signs. (Speaking of which, who else falls in love with Harrison Barnes when you watch his interviews??)
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#655 » by Mister Ze » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:42 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Master Ze wrote:http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/jeremy-lamb-jun-7-2012


After watching his interview I officially don't want the Raptors to draft him. Look at my avatar, I've been a fan of his game for a while, but he talks like an absolute douche-bag. I don't know who speaks worse, him or Jonas.

Number of times he says um or uh in this 3 minute interview > Number of points Lebron dropped in game 7.


All this just because of a bad interview? Wow, just wow.

You can understand a lot about a player by hearing them talk. He sounds clueless, doesn't know what's going on. His attitude and tone is laid back and Lamb even admitted he's been accused of that. He's a gifted player, but has no motor and now I can understand why Chad Ford and DX had ranked him so low in their previous mocks.

I thought when BC didn't mention Lamb he was just trying to hide the teams interest in him but it could easily just be that he doesn't like Lamb. Ed Stefanski said that management takes into account a variety of factors when drafting a player including their attitude and how they are off the court. Drummond would be a much better pick than Lamb, not only is he more valuable to other NBA teams but he's also got a much higher upside. Drummond's worst case in his rookie season would still be 10 times better than Aaron Gray. I bet you can't find a single mock where Drummond is lower than Lamb.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#656 » by MEDIC » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:11 pm

Lamb is still my guy at 8. Unless somebody significant falls.

We're not drafting a franchise player at 8, so we need to go with someone with very good potential. I think Lamb has the most potential out of any SG in this draft. He has everything you want in a SG in terms of size & skill. We just need to get him in the weight room & Casey has to find the right buttons to push.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#657 » by neurotik » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:21 pm

MEDIC wrote:Lamb is still my guy at 8. Unless somebody significant falls.

We're not drafting a franchise player at 8, so we need to go with someone with very good potential. I think Lamb has the most potential out of any SG in this draft. He has everything you want in a SG in terms of size & skill. We just need to get him in the weight room & Casey has to find the right buttons to push.


I don't like the idea of drafting a guy that Casey is going to have to push, do you? He already has to do that with Bargs.

I think Lamb will be a disappointment to anyone who thinks he has a realistic shot at reaching his potential.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#658 » by BD12 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:41 pm

Yea, the Raps have no "leader" on the team to push/motivate our young guys, yet you guys want to draft Lamb who has a soft mentality and looks so unmotivated 100% of the time. The Raps have too many of those players...Ed Davis, Bargs, etc. And Lamb would have to look up to these guys for support in the first couple of seasons. Smells like disaster. I'd rather take someone that is ready to battle night in and night out, isn't afraid to take last second shots, and shows a lot of heart and passion for the game. Rivers meet those qualities. Lamb honestly doesn't fit into our "culture" - Raps will pass over this dude. Book it.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#659 » by Ku-Bar » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:56 pm

With all the mock drafts I've seen on any website pre and post combine there are only two consensus picks in the entire draft.

NOH # 1 - A. Davis

and for whatever reason

TOR # 8 - J. Lamb

Like someone just mentioned we are not drafting a franchise changer so how can Lamb be the only logical selection in the minds of reporters and followers?

Honestly, if BC picks Lamb I want Stephan A. Smith to sound off like a maniac same as when Babcock selected fellow UCONN Huskie CV. "what in the ... on earth is Mr. Babcock (B-Collar) thinking?"

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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb 

Post#660 » by fredericklove » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:06 pm

shortmikeshortt wrote:Nooo Fredrick you went too far! If you wanna say we need Lamb over Lillard I can accept that, I completely disagree with it, but I can accept it...over Drummond, sure maybe, but TRob? Damn man thats too far...u also said Lillard has the most 'uncertainty among all lottery prospects', when surely Lamb has more uncertainty to reach his potential?...and then you topped it off by calling Lillard a soon to be 23 year old rookie - Lillard is 21 years old, so unless he stays in school 2 more years that aint possible.

Also its possible you are downplaying the importance of the interview process...I'm sure 1 or 2 'errs and umms' to particular questions is not a big deal - but to show a pattern of...well...of...being a bonehead (for lack of a better word) doesn't bode well for his character and what kind of person he is (he called Nic Batum 'the light skinned dude!'). Being able to handle pressure, media etc, its all part of the gig, and being a high character guy is of MAJOR importance...I'm not saying the interviews expose that completely and that's all its about, but it certainly doesn't show good signs. (Speaking of which, who else falls in love with Harrison Barnes when you watch his interviews??)


I went what far? I said we should take Lamb over T-Rob and the rest, and also include the fact that "Maybe T-Rob as BPA" but it doesn't matter, T-Rob realistically won't be in our range anyways. Lillard has most uncertainty in terms of his conference play, no way you can't admit that. He didn't even compete at higher competition level which explains why scouts still have questions about him. Sure, not 23, but soon to be 22 which already is yr 1 or 2 older than most lottery prospects. I also won't let draft combines to dictate my decision on things like "he's a draft combine stud, he got me sold now, he's going to be a star!" This is just the initial process of a draft, there's more to analyze than just combine performances and physical features.

I'm not downplaying interview process, its definitely a tool to impress scouts, but the most emphasis of this draft process shouldn't be based on interview alone, drills/workout are incredibly valuable researching process on a prospect's game. So don't even try to jump to conclusion this fast on him, its actually you guys that are overplaying the interview process, he's talented/skilled on the floor whether he has fear or nervousness to face media, don't put extreme emphasis into it. Draft workout is next week, we need all the information we need to gather. Interview process alone isn't enough to dictate the whole evaluation of prospect. So I don't let interview process to jump to conclusions .

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