1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall Pt 2 (New Poll)

[Diop]

I think the poll should be reset too in the new thread. I think it would be interesting to see what it would do if we restarted without all the random fans coming in and voting and never coming back to change it or if they do come back maybe their vote will be different after combine and some workouts.

Since you asked nicely.

part 1 for reference
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1183770

final stats for 1st poll
thor 65
drummond 28
mkg 24
beal 23
barnes 10

[JMAC3]

I think the poll should be reset too in the new thread. I think it would be interesting to see what it would do if we restarted without all the random fans coming in and voting and never coming back to change it or if they do come back maybe their vote will be different after combine and some workouts.

Since you asked nicely.

You da man

[James Gatz]

I still voted Robinson. I really hope we're able to trade down and pick him up but if we have to give David Stern the name a player with the 2nd overall pick I want it to be Thomas Robinson.

[captaincrunk]

Drummond is winning. This pleases me. Quick, someone screencap it and send it to MJ. And show that Barnes has no votes. Use photoshop if you have to.

[Diop]

Drummond is winning. This pleases me. Quick, someone screencap it and send it to MJ. And show that Barnes has no votes. Use photoshop if you have to.

Thats how they selected Dunlap. After I photoshopped a screen capture of our coaches poll and sent it too them.

You can thank me later.

[ball teacher]

I dont see Barnes having much trouble getting his shot off in the NBA vs other SF's. The guy doesn't force bad shots, he is the most fundamentally sound lottery prospect with the best range and versatility, he's one of the few lottery picks that actually has good size for his position, and his style of play translates very well for the NBA style of play.

If Barnes cannot create his own shot, why would anyone want to select MKG who's shot is much worse, he's not the athlete Barnes is, and he's not as big? I'll go out on a limb and say if Barnes is selcted by the Bobcats, he'll be the rookie of the year averaging about 16 ppg with 4 rebs per.

[Bassman]

Well I've made masterful points and amazing analysis regarding this pick, so it's beyond hope if some of you still do not recognize why Thomas Robinson is THE pick at #2 .

Seriously, I respect everyone's opinion here; it is always fun and helpful to read all the suggestions. Wonder what we would have been doing all this time if we did get the 1st pick? I guess we would have been looking at #31 or talking exclusively about who to add in free agency to bolster our Davis-backed lineup.

If the poll stays in this direction, it would seem our pick is coming down to the Friday SHOWDOWN between Robinson and Drummond. Seems fitting to me. We need a lot of things, but looking at last season we had NO BIG other than Mullens that we could go to for scoring. Couple that with a horrible lack of rebounding and interior defense, and you've got one big problem among many. It will be interesting to see if any tidbits come out, but this front office has been pretty locked down so far (which is good). Hopefully Higgins keeps his stupid mouth shut.

[ball teacher]

I just watched some highlights of Bradley Beal, and I maybe wrong, but I don't see him creating his own shot, I don't see great explosion in his game (for the most part) and most importantly he is listed on different websites as being 6'3!!! I don't see the Ray Allen comparisons at all, to me this guy looks like Eric Gordon.
We already have Kemba barely at 6'0 playing the point, do you really want him to play alongside a 6'3-6'4ish SG that may struggle getting his own shots off? In his highlights you'll see alot of set, long range jumpers taken and the occasional floater, but check his quickness and explosiveness and determine if you think it seems good enough matched up against the elite SG's in the league. To me, he seems to be more of a shooter than a scorer.

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[ohara]

Friday's workout will go a long way and deciding this matter. But I think Drummond is a lot higher on our board than many of the media imagine.

[BeesWax]

As long as we don't take Robinson I will be happy. I do not want an undersized PF right now. We need someone who can compete at his position and Robinson is not that. He will get killed on this level.

[countryboi]

Drummond is winning. This pleases me. Quick, someone screencap it and send it to MJ. And show that Barnes has no votes. Use photoshop if you have to.

Thats how they selected Dunlap. After I photoshopped a screen capture of our coaches poll and sent it too them.

You can thank me later.

i wonder how many votes dunlap had be for it was reset?

[countryboi]

I dont see Barnes having much trouble getting his shot off in the NBA vs other SF's. The guy doesn't force bad shots, he is the most fundamentally sound lottery prospect with the best range and versatility, he's one of the few lottery picks that actually has good size for his position, and his style of play translates very well for the NBA style of play.

If Barnes cannot create his own shot, why would anyone want to select MKG who's shot is much worse, he's not the athlete Barnes is, and he's not as big? I'll go out on a limb and say if Barnes is selcted by the Bobcats, he'll be the rookie of the year averaging about 16 ppg with 4 rebs per.

see that bold part is where you are wrong because barnes forces a TON of bad contested shots....matter fact i have seen him pass on a drive to the hole for a contested jumper....now the good thing about barnes is that he can hit these shots at a decent rate but that doesnt change the fact that they are bad shots

[StitchJones]

I voted Robinson with this pick but I think i would prefer we trade down to 4 or so and get Damien Lillard. The more I see of him the more I think he is going to be a star. He has elite shooting and ball handling skills.

[Kembastockton]

I voted Robinson with this pick but I think i would prefer we trade down to 4 or so and get Damien Lillard. The more I see of him the more I think he is going to be a star. He has elite shooting and ball handling skills.

Man you guys act like thomas will be the only 6'8 four in the league. If you go through the actual rosters you will find that 6'9 is the average for nba fours. Then factor in that the nba rounds the heights. The 6'8 3/4 that Thor measured in shoes would make him the average size. He is not the only 6'7/ 6'8 guy around. The KG's and the Pau' s are actually the big guys. There are guys as small as 6'7 and 6'6 playing the four. Then when you factor in T' Rob's massive wing span he is not very undersized at all. You guys would pass on a great player, because you think he is a little small, when you are failing to consider is that slight difference is just going to make him quicker than the guys he is dealing with nightly.

Thor is not some little scrubb that watched a couple games and now thinks that he can hack it with the big boys. He was arguebly the toughest thing in college basketball this year. That in itself should give him a leg up on some of the cream puff fours in the leauge like Charlie V despite the height difference.

[_tijo_]

We need someone who can score, create his own shot, which I think leaves out Barnes and Beal. Honestly, with the new "Kemba-centric" offense that Dunlap's bringing, I think we need a big who can finish off of Kemba's drives and set screens/rebound. I think that Cho and Co like to bring in their favorite prospects late - so either ThoR or Drummond. I would bet our pick is one of those. I'm guessing the safe route is ThoR, but I have a sneaking suspicion we might be thinking Drummond. I think they are playing things very close to the vest, hoping another team falls in love with another prospect (cleveland/sacto with Barnes) and that's why we are hearing rumors that we could pick Barnes at 2. We want to swap picks with them, and take Drummond. Because Washington isn't taking Drummond (they just traded McGee which they don't want to go through it again), and neither is Cleveland (they just took TT last year). Just my $0.02.

[ohara]

My hunch is the FO wants to trade back to #4 or #6 so they can take Drummond and have another pick. But this likely depends on how well he does Friday at the workout.

[Badd_Intentions]

I said Beal last night, however i'm pretty sure i'll change my mind. Last vote I said Drummond. But I just think Beal can put the ball in the basket, either shooting, coming off screens, or transition. He doesn't have ideal size but he has good enough size to get it done. Not to mention he's not afraid to stick his nose in there with the big guys and compete for rebounds and he'll play defense to. I think he'll be a really effective scorer once he gets adjusted to the NBA game.

[Bassman]

We need someone who can score, create his own shot, which I think leaves out Barnes and Beal. Honestly, with the new "Kemba-centric" offense that Dunlap's bringing, I think we need a big who can finish off of Kemba's drives and set screens/rebound. I think that Cho and Co like to bring in their favorite prospects late - so either ThoR or Drummond. I would bet our pick is one of those. I'm guessing the safe route is ThoR, but I have a sneaking suspicion we might be thinking Drummond. I think they are playing things very close to the vest, hoping another team falls in love with another prospect (cleveland/sacto with Barnes) and that's why we are hearing rumors that we could pick Barnes at 2. We want to swap picks with them, and take Drummond. Because Washington isn't taking Drummond (they just traded McGee which they don't want to go through it again), and neither is Cleveland (they just took TT last year). Just my $0.02.

Excellent analysis Tijo. I think you are exactly on target. The goal is to trade down with Cleveland and still get our big man. If both Robinson and Drummond are still available at 4, perfect. If Washington takes Robinson, Drummond would still be there. I seriously doubt Portland will deal their 6 & 11, and it's possible both are gone by then. Cleveland wants to pair Barnes with Kyrie Irving. We've got to convince them we're serious about Barnes. If we see a late workout scheduled for Barnes I say it's part of the play for a deal.

[Badd_Intentions]

I could live with any trade down scenario that keeps us in the 5 or 6.

[countryboi]

Kinda shocked at the low vote for Beal....i thought his hype train was full speed ahead