Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

[dgolo00]

I have a question.

When Deng's deal expires in 2 years, can he resign for far less money?

I dont see it being the case since he would only be 29.

By the Bulls showing him how loyal they've been to him throughout the years, why wouldn't he give them a hometown discount?

I can see Deng staying with the team for less than another team would offer. I see Deng as a man with good character, not a $$$ chaser. That's just my opinion...

[DuckIII]

I have a question.

When Deng's deal expires in 2 years, can he resign for far less money?

I dont see it being the case since he would only be 29.

There is no way in hell, under the new CBA and at age 29, Luol Deng gets a deal equal to what he has now. It will be for less. "Far" less? Dunno.

Well, actually, there is one way in hell. He improves quite a bit. In which case it would be even that much more important to retain him.

[bad knees]

I think that 3 rookies is one too many for the Bulls. They need to retool their bench to make it cost less, but they already have replaced Brewer with Butler. I see them drafting Jenkins to replace Korver, and Doron Lamb to replace CJ. But this does not mean that they have to get rid of Korver and CJ this summer. They just need to be gone by the trading deadline. I see the Bulls keeping them until then to cover for the absence of Deng and Rose. Trade them at the deadline for a protected 2d round pick if that is all you can get - someone will have the space or a TPE and want them. Or with Korver, he does not become fully guaranteed until January 10, so you can waive him then without running the risk of finding a trading partner at the deadline.

So the lineup while Rose and Deng are out is:

Watson, Vet Min (like Patty Mills), Lamb
Rip, Lamb
Korver, Butler
Boozer, Gibson
Noah, Asik

After Rose and Deng return:

Rose, Mills, Lamb
Rip, Lamb
Deng, Butler
Boozer, Gibson
Noah, Asik

This team is marginally over the cap, depending on how much Omer costs. If getting under the cap is absolutely necessary, then Rip or Boozer would have to go. Or Asik, but that would be a mistake.

[coldfish]

I just want to say:

- +Duck on a bunch of things. One in particular is his comment about a rebuild based around a rookie. Most guys don't get to where they are going to be until their 3rd, maybe 4th year and only then do you find out if they guy was really worth it. You are burning a lot of Derrick's time.

- Luxury tax. OK, let's go with the "let's not pay it because next year is a waste" mantra. Korver, Watson and Brewer should all be cut then. Having Deng injured even helps more. You basically have a one year tank going on, much like the Spurs did when they got Duncan. Then in 2013/14 you have a fully healthy Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Taj and Asik plus the Bulls picks, Mirotic and maybe the Charlotte pick. Depending on how things work out, that's a win now team.

- I'm not against trading Deng at all. I just want to see him traded for a player or asset that is very likely to help the team in 2013/14 at the latest. As I have said a million times, trading him for a 7 or 8 pick is most definitely not that.

- Thank god the Bulls front office isn't dumber than a box of rocks.

- LOL at the Bulls front office smashing this rumor with leaks through KC, Sam and Wojo.

[mhsiao]

I don't get why Deng keeps delaying the wrist surgery.

It affects the way he plays basketball, and makes him a target.

Team Usa can wack at his wrist or any other team.

Ya.... Deng should have surgery in Jan when he first suffered injury, than no one would call him self-fish.

Once again.. Unless you have the same life as Deng, you will never understand why he insist to play for Britain. Not to mention this is the only chance he play for Britain on Britain Soil (The most important part.) It probably will be another 100 years before London host Olympics 4th time. (London's previous 2 host years are at 1908 and 1948.)

[jumpmanjay]

people who are saying JR is cheap for not wanting to go into the tax are being very short-sighted. this new CBA blows. we need to stay out of the lux tax until 2013 or 2014 now.

Why?

I guess I can understand 2013 if you are of the view that it is absolutely possible that late February return for Rose can't lead to any potential contention in the Eastern Conference. And I mean literally impossible.

But for 2014? Why the hell do they need to avoid tax then? Rose will presumably be totally fine, are at least you have to plan that way.

-2013 if you dont think that we can contend this year
-2014 dengs contract comes off. under the cap means flexibility to sign a FA (kobe?). also, you can get a running start for mirotic.

[cubd8]

and sign an undrafted Euro which makes up 3 rookies. What's so unrealistic?

Us having 3 rookies on our roster, just hasn't happened in the past. Let alone using them as rotational players. Maybe a Euro-stash.

PF Boozer
SF Deng
C Noah
SG Hamilton
PG Watson (or some equivalent veteran type)

Lucas III
Gibson
Asik
Butler
1st round pick
2nd round pick???
cheap veteran? Scalabrine?

[imagge]

and sign an undrafted Euro which makes up 3 rookies. What's so unrealistic?

Us having 3 rookies on our roster, just hasn't happened in the past. Let alone using them as rotational players. Maybe a Euro-stash.

PF Boozer
SF Deng
C Noah
SG Hamilton
PG Watson (or some equivalent veteran type)

Lucas III
Gibson
Asik
Butler
1st round pick
2nd round pick???
cheap veteran? Scalabrine?

That team is over the tax is it not?

[Bulls1983]

Seems most likely that we end up with 3 rookies this year, the 29th and maybe two 2nd rounders via trade.

Will bet money on this. Think this is what the Bulls do and focus time on undrafted pick, cheap solutions in free agency, possibly use the MMLE if they find someone they like long term. That's it. Hard to make a move right now so early.

We are not getting 3 rookies, period. Seriously, I know we need cheap players, but we're not the D-League either. I'd say the most likely thing we do is buy a mid-2nd round pick.

We worked out more than 50 players so far, why all of this if we planned for just one rookie?

[Gray Poster]

Remember when Wade question the Bulls loyalty, well their are more aspects to trading Deng. While it seems so easy for us to trade Deng, unless you have a new GM, going to be difficult for them to part ways. These trades which clearly work out better for the other team are being shot down by us, imagine Pax/Gar.

I remember that Wade is a dick!! I remember when Wade came to Chicago and said he might want to play here and was just being a dick. So I do not care WTF Wade says.

But the Bulls will not trade Deng unless the trade does make the Bulls better in the long term. More cap and more talent. Lu will not be sacrificed for more cap like Kirk was.

[Wonzo23]

Wow next season is gonna suck to get through. I can't even imagine what the lineup is going to look like minus Rose, Brewer, Deng, Korver and maybe Watson (hopefully without Watson cuz he's awful)

[Red Larrivee]

I have a question.

When Deng's deal expires in 2 years, can he resign for far less money?

I dont see it being the case since he would only be 29.

He'll sign for less, for sure. The problem is that contract will be for the 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th seasons of his career. Are the Bulls really going to be in that much of a rush to sign Deng for his inevitable decline? After 10 years of Deng as our starting SF, they might choose to go a different direction to get younger, better offensively and more athletic.

K.C. alluded to something like this, and it involved letting Deng walk and amnestying Boozer (who would only have one year left on his deal, making the financial bullet less problematic to bite).

So if we know we're not keeping Deng long-term, it'd be smart to get something now. The problem with the previously mentioned GS deal? It blows.

[jumpmanjay]

At first I wasn't really for trading Deng, but after realizing that we might have to sit through 2 months of next season with him not playing, I really want him off this team while we have the chance. I don't want to just give him away, but at the same time, next season will be even more frustrating now if we have to deal with him sitting out. We've gone through it with Rose, I'm not prepared to do the same with Deng.

i am. lets get butler some burn.

lets face it- we will make the playoffs next year. if derrick is derrick by the playoffs, we have a chance to contend. if he isnt, well, we have no chance anyway, so might as well develop butler.

if by some chance we dont even make the playoffs, then great. hopefully we can get someone good in the 2013 draft.

So Butler goes from a bench warmer to 40 mpg starter? As a sophomore? That's not how it works in the NBA, he can take Brewer's role, but I am in no way confident he can replace Deng while he is gone. I can almost see us retaining Brewer if Deng were to miss that much time.

why is that impossible...or even hard to believe? see taj in his soph year. it happens when your starter gets injured.

[Carl25]

With the Nash-to-Toronto rumors gaining traction, I could see a Calderon/#8 for Deng happening. It's doubtful GSW takes a SG, and Calderon would be a solid placeholder in Rose's stead. Calderon is great at running the PnR as well so he and Boozer could be pretty good together.

[The Bear Jew]

So Butler goes from a bench warmer to 40 mpg starter? As a sophomore? That's not how it works in the NBA, he can take Brewer's role, but I am in no way confident he can replace Deng while he is gone. I can almost see us retaining Brewer if Deng were to miss that much time.

why is that impossible...or even hard to believe? see taj in his soph year. it happens when your starter gets injured.

Taj also started 70 games his rookie season and got 27 mpg. Compared to Butler's 0 games started and 8.5 MPG. It's a completely different situation.

[aaqubed]

I just want to say:

- +Duck on a bunch of things. One in particular is his comment about a rebuild based around a rookie. Most guys don't get to where they are going to be until their 3rd, maybe 4th year and only then do you find out if they guy was really worth it. You are burning a lot of Derrick's time.

I don't think that's true entirely. You might not get the most out of the player, but you'll know if the player would have been worth it pretty quickly. We knew what we had with Rose pretty much the first season -- it wasn't clear that he'd be THIS good THIS quickly, but we knew what he was. Same with Deng, Gordon, Tyrus (in a negative way). The only one that wasn't clear right away was Noah, who was on that trainwreck 2008 team.

[jumpmanjay]

So Butler goes from a bench warmer to 40 mpg starter? As a sophomore? That's not how it works in the NBA, he can take Brewer's role, but I am in no way confident he can replace Deng while he is gone. I can almost see us retaining Brewer if Deng were to miss that much time.

why is that impossible...or even hard to believe? see taj in his soph year. it happens when your starter gets injured.

Taj also started 70 games his rookie season and got 27 mpg. Compared to Butler's 0 games started and 8.5 MPG. It's a completely different situation.

so he was even greener. so you think butler should basically never play? he should be a lifetime scrub?

you think we need to get a new starting SF because we shouldnt use butler?

[U boj]

Whoever said Dalembert+#16 beats an offer of Deng+#29 is wrong. Deng is a far better player than Dalembert and fills a major need for Sacramento.

This could be a cap space trade cause Dalembert is not guarranteed

Could anyone explain why didn't Dalambert get a better deal last season? With all the talk about people overpaying 7 footers and about Asik getting paid big time I'm shocked to see the numbers on his deal.

[red222]

if you aren't gonna re-sign him trade him now

[DuckIII]

I just want to say:

- +Duck on a bunch of things. One in particular is his comment about a rebuild based around a rookie. Most guys don't get to where they are going to be until their 3rd, maybe 4th year and only then do you find out if they guy was really worth it. You are burning a lot of Derrick's time.

I don't think that's true entirely. You might not get the most out of the player, but you'll know if the player would have been worth it pretty quickly. We knew what we had with Rose pretty much the first season -- it wasn't clear that he'd be THIS good THIS quickly, but we knew what he was. Same with Deng, Gordon, Tyrus (in a negative way). The only one that wasn't clear right away was Noah, who was on that trainwreck 2008 team.

I don't mean to speak for coldfish, but I don't think that is what he meant. He wasn't talking about "knowing what you have" i.e., being able to see that the guy can develop. He was talking about how long until you know if he was "worth it." I.e., how long until a rookie becomes better for the Bulls likelihood of success than a 28 - 31 year old Luol Deng.

There are two ways this can go:

(1) The pick ends up like most picks, and is worse than Deng. So unless something else huge breaks in the talent department, you've screwed the pooch.

(2) The pick is the rare exception that ends up better than a 28-31 year old Deng, but it takes at least 3 years for him to get that good. So while you end up with a better player, you've made Derrick Rose play on a worse team for 3 precious years.

This is not a wise use of Deng as a trade asset. And its born of annual draft hysteria and an overly emotional fan response to a postseason failed by unjuries.