2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

[theboomking]

Ford's latest mock draft has us taking Beal at #3, and Machado at #32.

Call me very satisfied with that if it happens.

Draftexpress update has us with Beal and Miles Plumlee at 32. That I don't get at all. Apparently we are cornering the market on 4-5s ? Plumlee will be 24 when the season begins. I don't care how athletic he looked/measured at the Combine; at his age he should have dominated college opponents and didn't.

NBAdraftnet has us with Beal and Jenkins. Makes more sense.

Just made my Andy Samberg face. I would love Jenkins and Beal/MKG. As much as my mind may say Beal, my heart says MKG. In the end I would be happy with either one, but am going to lose my **** if we trade down with Houston. A trade down with Portland I might forgive.

CCJ, you've had a lot of pro-Ross posts in the last 10 pages or so. How do you feel about Ross vs. Waiters? I don't know if I think Ross is that great on defense, and for a SG, he is not a very good penetrator. Ross could however be a great fit for the Wizards as a catch and shoot player. For all of the talk of what a good shooter Beal is, I think Ross may be the better shooter.

There have also been a good number of posts recently about Beal not being a good penetrator. I don't think that is true. Beal can penetrate and finish through contact. He posted a solid 2 point finishing percentage.

Off topic, it is a shape that Lamb came off so stupid in his interviews, referring to Batum as some, "light skinned guy", etc. Lamb's 2Pt% makes me salivate a little.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Alot of stuff floating around out there...

I like Beal at 3. If we have to package 3 & 32 to move up for Beal... I guess I would do it, although reluctantly.

I'm still very open to dealing the 3 to Portland for the 6 & 11. If Lillard and/or Drummond move up into the top 5, we could have Beal or MKG available at 6, and pick up Ross who I like alot at 11, or Harkless. Even if Beal and MKG are gone at 6, I would be fine with Waiters or Rivers at 6 followed by Ross or Harkless at 11 .

So, I guess what I hope for Thursday night...

1. Wizards draft Beal #3.

OR

2. Cleveland moves up to 2 and takes Beal, Wizards trade down with Portland (3 & 32 for 6 & 11) and at 6 draft one of MKG, Waiters, Rivers, and at 11 draft one of Rivers, Ross, Harkless.

[7-Day Dray]

We need to draft Drummond or Barnes. Sadly, I don't think we'll get any of them.

[MJG]

I want the team to take whoever is left between Beal and MKG at three. If both are available, take either, I don't have a strong preference. No tricks or trades or anything like that, nice and simple.

I expect for both to still be on the board, and for us to take Barnes anyways. It's just such a Wizards thing to do.

[WizarDynasty]

In hindsight, history will show us that Demarcus Cousin should have been the number one draft pick and instead was picked at 5. Wall is much more of an undersized quick shooting guard than he is point guard. Cousin is a true steady franchise player. Physically dominant player that excels at the areas in his position. Wall excels at attacking the rim which is usually the job of a shooting guard. He isn't dominant defensively and is usually a liability and his inability to makes his team mates better in a half court setting is the only thing that counts during the playoffs.

But the hype during the draft was John Wall ..John Wall...and looking back......We see that hype always pushes early lotto teams to draft based on popular sentiment instead of long established truths about longterm franchise players. A franchise player can put a team on his back and score even through double teams and he usually effects the game defensively. Very rarely can a shooting guard score through double teams, aka M.Jordan. Most superstar bigmen can score through double teams. It's alot easier for them because they are so much closer to the rim.
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[MF23]

nbadraftnet has the Wizards taking Tony Wroten @ 32. I kind of like that. He really looks up to John Wall and in the 2nd they might as well swing for the fences.

BTW, who's this Andrew Nicholson guy? His highlights look outstanding but I've never seen him play.

[Knighthonor]

In hindsight, history will show us that Demarcus Cousin should have been the number one draft pick and instead was picked at 5. Wall is much more of an undersized quick shooting guard than he is point guard. Cousin is a true steady franchise player. Physically dominant player that excels at the areas in his position. Wall excels at attacking the rim which is usually the job of a shooting guard. He isn't dominant defensively and is usually a liability and his inability to makes his team mates better in a half court setting is the only thing that counts during the playoffs.

But the hype during the draft was John Wall ..John Wall...and looking back......We see that hype always pushes early lotto teams to draft based on popular sentiment instead of long established truths about longterm franchise players. A franchise player can put a team on his back and score even through double teams and he usually effects the game defensively. Very rarely can a shooting guard score through double teams, aka M.Jordan. Most superstar bigmen can score through double teams. It's alot easier for them because they are so much closer to the rim.
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so who was better pick?

[MF23]

We need to draft Drummond or Barnes. Sadly, I don't think we'll get any of them.

The only way Drummond is getting drafted is if it's part of a trade.

[Knighthonor]

nbadraftnet has the Wizards taking Tony Wroten @ 32. I kind of like that. He really looks up to John Wall and in the 2nd they might as well swing for the fences.

BTW, who's this Andrew Nicholson guy? His highlights look outstanding but I've never seen him play.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9S1ADUCmg[/youtube]

nice

[Terpman]

1. Beal
2. Kidd-Gilchrist

No other options interest me unless we can swap for 6 & 11 and still get Barnes..

[theboomking]

Hey CCJ:

Chris Emma ‏@ChrisEmmaScout
John Shurna hit 36 of 40 three-pointers in his Bucks workout. How could you not draft him? #Northwestern

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[Knighthonor]

1. Beal
2. Kidd-Gilchrist

No other options interest me unless we can swap for 6 & 11 and still get Barnes..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAN8izMoGlk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mubYknvQec8[/youtube]

[tontoz]

In hindsight, history will show us that Demarcus Cousin should have been the number one draft pick and instead was picked at 5. Wall is much more of an undersized quick shooting guard than he is point guard.
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Cousins excels at rebounding. Offense and defense....not so much. His shooting efficiency was actually worse than Wall's.

In his first two seasons Wall is averaging 8.2 assists on a team full of guys that can't shoot and you call him a shooting guard?

[BruceO]

The more I see of Lillard the more I think his contribution would exceed that of Beal's at least for the first two years. He's a prolific scorer shooting 41% from 3 pt range. He uses both hands well and gets to the basket at will, finishes strong and gets to the ft line a lot.

Play him 25 min. at SG with Wall covering the opposing teams SG. Then play him 12 min. at PG while Wall takes a breather.

Trade down to six and get additional assets or dump Blatch.

Funny, I've been thinking the same thing. I also like the idea of having Lillard in my back-pocket if Wall doesn't pan-out. Problem is that Lillard is 6-3. OTOH, Lou Willams is 6-1. Lillard looks-like a sure winner to me.

From what I gather Lillard is Derrick rose size

[sfam]

1. Beal
2. Kidd-Gilchrist

No other options interest me unless we can swap for 6 & 11 and still get Barnes..

This is a pipe dream. If we drop down to 6 & 11 we miss out on an elite wing. Simple and plain. We might get Drummond at that pick, but really, contrary to the advise of a few here, I'm really not interested in taking an extremely high risk on a pick who most likely won't turn out to be anything but ordinary. We've seen time and time again where players without the requisite motivation and interest between their ears waste the talents available in the rest of their bodies.

Lets just stay at 3 and get whomever is left between Beal (my first choice) and Gilchrist, and we'll have a happy draft night. I also hate the idea of giving away our second rounder - there will be players available then who can make our roster and contribute.

[BruceO]

Someone mentioned we are bringing in rivers and mkg for another workout. Can't find this anywhere on the web, is it true? What workouts have we had if any last few days?

[MF23]

Loved that Barnes mix posted by Knighthonor. I know it's against weak competition but there are certain things I see that are high level NBA skills.

I usaully don't care about this stuff but I heard a rumor that Wall and Barnes don't really like each other. I don't care about that specifically but I want to know what's the purpose behind it if it's actually true. It might actually be a good thing if they are their own men.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Draftexpress update has us with Beal and Miles Plumlee at 32. That I don't get at all. Apparently we are cornering the market on 4-5s ? Plumlee will be 24 when the season begins. I don't care how athletic he looked/measured at the Combine; at his age he should have dominated college opponents and didn't.

NBAdraftnet has us with Beal and Jenkins. Makes more sense.

Just made my Andy Samberg face. I would love Jenkins and Beal/MKG. As much as my mind may say Beal, my heart says MKG. In the end I would be happy with either one, but am going to lose my **** if we trade down with Houston. A trade down with Portland I might forgive.

CCJ, you've had a lot of pro-Ross posts in the last 10 pages or so. How do you feel about Ross vs. Waiters? I don't know if I think Ross is that great on defense, and for a SG, he is not a very good penetrator. Ross could however be a great fit for the Wizards as a catch and shoot player. For all of the talk of what a good shooter Beal is, I think Ross may be the better shooter.

There have also been a good number of posts recently about Beal not being a good penetrator. I don't think that is true. Beal can penetrate and finish through contact. He posted a solid 2 point finishing percentage.

Off topic, it is a shape that Lamb came off so stupid in his interviews, referring to Batum as some, "light skinned guy", etc. Lamb's 2Pt% makes me salivate a little.

theboomking, I am going to be very honest and say I am really not sure about Waiters vs Ross. Waiters had really good A/TO and ST/TO ratios at Syracuse. At Syracuse he put up a lot of points per minute and he did so fairly efficiently. He is short but strong and sturdy. I've seen comparisons ranging from Eric Bledsoe to Randy Foye to a shorter Tyreke Evans on Waiters. My opinion is Waiters is a good combo guard. He reminds me of ex-Bullet Jeff Malone. He is a good passer and an explosive scorer, but he's in between PG and SG. He does not have prime Gilbert Arenas quickness, but there are some similarities.

Ross doesn't have nearly the power, strength, penetrating or ball handling ability that Waiters has. Ross is just as good or better shooting the ball. He is longer and will grab rebounds. tbk, I like the way Ross looks on video. Looks like he will compete and he looks fluid with the ball. I think he would benefit playing with Wall a lot more than from playing with Tony Wroten. I have been most complimentary of him because he seems like a great fit. He is probably not as good as Waiters or Beal, but Ross seems like a terrific fit because of his size and his shot from three. Waiters is short for a SG and so is Beal. But they are stronger.

I don't know, to be totally honest. Ross seems like a good kid and a safe late lotto to mid first pick. Waiters could go either way. He wasn't the man at Syracuse. I am a bit leery of a sixth man going so high in the draft. Ross showed briefly he can put up 20+ nightly. I am more comfortable with Ross knowing Wall will penetrate and he can spot up. My gut feeling is Ross is getting better and will fill out more.

[The Consiglieri]

you will never see a lottery projected pick ever come back to school again because of what happened to Barnes and especially Sullinger.

PJIII and Sullinger. GM's have apparently lobotomized themsevles since seeing Barnes measurements and drills at the combine. I cannot believe how thoroughly incompetent, how big a fools these idiots are. 70 games on tape showcasing Barnes disappearing act, indicting him as a soft, disinterested player who contributes very little beyond catching and shooting, and even that no as well as advertised, vanishing everytime UNC ever needed him, and yet the clown is moving up after all that. It's absolutely stunning to me, Zeller carries the team on his back, and the roof is caving in on his value after his measurements came out, and Barnes, whose a total nonentity on the court, gets some nice measurements and drills and suddenly what he never ever did on the court, is perceived to be on the cusp of just happening.

Sometimes I do think anybody could run a team better than these idiots. If we pick Barnes, I may go into retirement as a Wizards fan, it's just too much to be asked of to be a fan of this team after 25 years of this horse manure. What a horrible, embarrassment of a decision if Ford is right.

[The Consiglieri]

The more I look at the mocks, the more I see GSW being in the toughest spot in the draft. They are likely either going to be looking at Drummond or Lillard as the top guy left on the board, neither of which is their greatest need (a dynamic swingman). But the teams that would presumably have guys they'd want (Deng in Chicago, Iggy in Philly, etc) don't seem IMO that they would be interested in Drummond/Lillard either. Yes, Philly needs a big, but are they willing to wait on Drummond to develop?

Maybe the best thing for them would be for Barnes to slip and they just take him as BPA?

Drummond is a lock to go top 6, Warriors are looking at Waiters and Lillard.